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      Elon to my knowledge hasn’t been the founder of a single project he’s been part of. He’s bought everything.

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        Yep, he’s your typical parasitic orbiting-usurper, buzzing around people of talent until the opportunity presents itself for him to steal all their work while they’re busy making the future happen.

        Steve Jobs was exactly the same. Wozniak made the Apple 1 a reality and before that, he used Wozniak’s discarded Pong PCBs to get a job at Atari. At Atari he was just a talentless socially domineering psychopath doing shakedown on the company’s nerd for his lunch money.

        When assigned a task to create a cost-optimized version of the game Breakout, were he was offered 100$ for each TTL chip he could optimize out of the design. So he went to his “friend” Wozniak, who managed to remove 50 chips from the design. Steve Jobs made 5000$ (in 1976 money) and he “let” Wozniak have 375$ of this. All jobs did is the menial work of etching the PCBs sketched by Wozniak and solder some of them.

        Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are truely despicable pieces of shit and I say as a society, and for the good of everyone, we should use the dystopian surveillance capitalism to find all people like them and box them right out so we don’t have to suffer such parasitic psychopaths.

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          NASA obviously, all the technology, funding, lab structure, education pipeline and of course all the ideas are from NASA.

          Spacex only exists so that NASA’s activities can be extracted rent from by outsides.

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        His initial lottery ticket of a business Zip2 I think he was fairly a founder.

        I know next to nothing about it because no one ever heard of it before Compaq had a huge case of dot-com FOMO and paid $300 million for it, where it promptly went nowhere like it already was.

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      Same with Jobs on the “visionary” part – the only thing that guy ever visualized was bigger stacks of money.

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        I think Jobs had his issues, but I do have to consider it fair for folks to claim him to be a visionary.

        There was a presentation back in '97 where someone a bilt salty about Apple abandoning OpenDoc for Java and Jobs had a pretty solid response with insight.

        Not so sure about post-iPod Jobs, but once upon a time he certainly seemed a respectable business leader with good product focus.

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        In fairness to Jobs, he may have been an arsehole, but he was also an incredible salesman who knew what his customers wanted.

        I’m old enough to remember how genuinely captivating his product presentations could be. The shit that Apple pre-records these days is worthless by comparison.

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          Sure, he was a good salesman, but any perception that he was the idea man was a deliberately cultivated lie. Woz had all the actually good ideas early on, then later it was other engineers.

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            I always thought the “ideas” he got credit for were in domains like design and customer experience, not necessarily technical engineering.

            That’s at least among people that know some minimal information about him. I imagine that the huge numbers of normie folks who don’t pay attention to phones unless they’re buying one either don’t know who he is or would just fall back to assuming the superficial public visionary genius image is accurate.

            But that’s how our culture and media are designed to condition regular folks to accept our leaders as our betters. I mean who cares if some dark triad personality motherfucker is a monster to their own family just as much as their employees as long as the make money and create success*!

            • success = money
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            It isn’t enough to have good ideas if you can’t persuade someone to buy them.

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              That only makes sense if you assume the only purpose of ideas is to turn them into profit.

              Many of my great ideas COST me money, but I still end up better off afterwards.

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                I mean, if your aim as a business is to make money from your ideas, then yeah…

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              A) I don’t agree, and B) that’s not really relevant or incompatible with what I said.