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    I’m very surprised that people are so scared about a mayoral election. Yeah it’s NYC but like it’s not like he’s gonna have that much reach that the fucking PM of Israel needs to make a statement about it.

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      that’s how much they fear anything that even remotely resembles actual socialism.

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        I … suspect it might be more that they are scared of the racial component. Not even “scared”.

        Silicon Valley is a burgerhole of Curtis Yarvin, dreams of technofascism with its inhabitants on top, impunity with wages not quite mirroring quality, and a bit - American academic culture. And American academic culture is the fucking opposite of the European one, or so I’ve read.

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          race is something the ruling class still takes advantage of to divide us. they fear we are getting too aware and… unsatisfied, hence the recent stuff. they might even win, but they are clearly fearful atm.

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            A funny idea, but not always. Some of the “ruling class” are genuinely racist.

            It’s a logical continuation of them being on top. Some people are better than others, in their opinion. They are better than those not of their group and set of opinions, their country (sometimes of residence and not where they rule) is better than other countries, their ethnicity is better than other ethnicities, and their race is better than other races. The reason they want to impress these hierarchical divisions is they want to impress their worldview, not to create division.

            So, again about USA. You guys have that crap in everything. That’s why motivational letters by American students to European universities are a comedy genre. You don’t even see it, but your official tone (and even much of the political discussions and social one) is half bullshit, half markers of identity (that kind of neighborhood, that kind of ancestry, that kind of some other tribal classification, all clear cut and exclusive). Well, there are also markers of connections thrown here and there. And your discussions are usually not discussions, they are like playing cards with those markers instead, where one marker beats another, there can be no discussion after that.

            Sigh. I have relatives in the USA who moved there long enough ago to be carriers of that and other things too, so when my uncle was helping me with writing a CV, for the initial variant I just followed his advice and I’m not ever showing that pretentious crap to anyone. Despite him being a tremendous help with my executive dysfunction (and unfortunately impediment where he conditioned one project on me finishing uni, I still haven’t finished uni, it’s indefinitely paused).

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              yup, yes they are. the foundation is all rotten.

              and i’m happily not from the us.

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                eh, sorry, I’m sometimes starting to get a feeling most people in the English-speaking interwebs are from the US, and I’m a fool playing in the wrong sandbox

                a good reminder that no

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                  i make the same mistake often here. lemmy is more diverse than it looks.

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            Alt-right writer that has dreams of replacing the role of president with the powers of a CEO or King. The media has been helping him rise in influence otherwise he’s a crackpot

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            The jerk has his own Wikipedia page.

            Basically an ideologist of what you get if you remove NAP and common property of unmade resources from ancap. Would be a funny thought experiment if there weren’t crowds of people, working in those big companies, thinking his ideology is good and right.

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      He’s proving the point that the DNC has denied for well over a fucking decade: stop listening to money, start listening to people, and you will win. That’s it. That’s the whole argument.

      And the DNC establishment is scared shitless, because they know it’s working, and they know more people are gonna run campaigns like he’s doing, and there’s gonna be a sea-change in terms of what the fuck the Democratic Party is (that, or a third party is going to spawn and absolutely fucking crush the DNC).

      The neoliberals are looking down the barrel of a gun right now, and they know they put themselves there.

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          Also Omar Fateh for mayor of Minneapolis, Abdul El-Sayed for senator of Michigan, Kat Abughazaleh for Illinois representative, and probably more I’m not aware of. It’s encouraging to see candidates like these get traction.

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        It’s telling when most of the Congress dnc votes with the GOP, or at least don’t put up a fight when gop constantly walks over them

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        None of what he is doing is unique. There are plenty of dem candidates that have listened to people over money. dems are worried about associating with him because he has controversial opinions that might not go down so well outside of NY. Pretty much everything you’ve said is just fantasy you’ve invented.

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          His positions are actually quite in line with mainstream America. Most Americans now criticize Israel’s war on Gaza. Most Americans believe the rich are under-taxed. Most Americans believe the rent is too high. Mamdani is not the boogeyman that conservatives claim.

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          Except that what he’s doing he can actually do. Someone who ends up in Washington and gets outvoted by the majority centrists isn’t a bad thing, and actually sorta helps their image without forcing any real change. Mamdani, though, he’s the top dog in a mayoral position and can actually get shit done. They’re scared of him not because his ideas are unique but because they can actually be realized at this scale.

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            Except that what he’s doing he can actually do.

            How can you say that when hes only just won and still hasnt done anything?

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                What is he doing/done that would actually a game changer? Tell me why I should be excited about him because it seems to be that the only unique thing about him is he openly criticizes isreal. Dont get me wrong, I like most of his policies and I think hes an ok mayoral choice I just dont see the reason for the excitement and I feel like all the “establisment is scared” articles are fake hype by PR firms.

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                  Except I literally already told that being unique is less important than being able to actually do what’s promised. New Yorkers understand the power that a mayor has and know that he can get this shit done for their city. His policies are good and they’re a strong swing away from the center and the right and people are excited about that, and he’s been shown to even explicitly say he won’t make promises he can’t even attempt to keep(price of eggs, anyone?).

                  The establishment hates this because he’s doing things they know will energize people and show them just how much better things could be. The US has long operated on the bullshit idea that they couldn’t have nice things because “it’s different here!” but that’s always been a lie that was easy to tell because the good shit was happening across an ocean that many US citizens couldn’t even point to on a fucking map. Now it’s going to be right there, in their big New York City, and it’s going to be hard to ignore.

                  I’ve explained all this in the previous comments, you can re-read them if you need to.

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            ok? I dont hate Mandami I just think most of his policies are meh and as far as left wing candiates go hes weak.

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              The “Left” in the US…
              Y’all demonize Sanders for being the red devil but the old fart would be seen as center-left at best in most european countries.

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                why would you think I demonize Sanders? I said “left” not far left or center left. I disagree he would be center left at best in Europe but it doesnt matter. Sanders is what I consider a good left wing candidate maybe not so much today because hes to old but before.

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      He won’t affect global policy much at all. He’s a threat to the mega wealthy because he’s a symbol of change in the American people.

      This is the same reason the elite went so hard on the communist scare late last century. Back then certain political views were almost a criminal offense. Hopefully history doesn’t repeat itself here.

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        The rise of fascism in the mid-1920s to late 1930s was a direct response by the ruling capitalists to the ascent of real, populist/socialist/communist changes that actually threatened their power and wealth for the first time in history. It happened all over the world (well at least Europe), and it totally makes sense what we’re seeing now all over the world.

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        Oh, he is a threat. He is a huge threat for the fascists.

        He’s a threat because he’s not on their side. He’s a (much needed) icon of disunity.

        They’re right to be afraid. They need to stop him and anyone like him at all costs. If there’s just one county whose sheriff isn’t wagging his tail to goons like ICE, that’s unacceptable.

        And this isn’t about some sheriff election, it’s the mayor of NYC. Y’know, the place where Rudy Giuliani became the greatest mayor in the entire history of the US (until he blew it by siding with Trump). Of course they’re afraid.

        If people can find shelter from ICE and the rest in just one county, that’s bad for the fascists. Having it be a huge place like NYC would be a disaster in their eyes.

        He won’t affect global policy. But he will affect the populace of US places other than NYC. If he wins, some may look at NYC and think “Why can’t we have this?”. That’s what’s dangerous.

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        almost a criminal offense.

        My knowledge of this topic is based pretty much on just Hollywood movies, but I was under the impression that it was a criminal offense.

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      They’re worried he will succeed and serve as an example that the people rather than money are in charge, if they could only realize it.

      If they truly believed Democratic socialist policies had no legs, they’d leave him alone and watch him fail as an example.

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      H1B slaves get to share a 2 bedroom minivan.

      To keep oppressing the american tech workforce costs money or something.

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    They’re worried he does well and more people like him show up on their home turf.

    Also, Streisand Effect.

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    The real battle isn’t left or right. It’s up vs down.

    Tax wealth not work!

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      sort of, except the right usually (fucking always) fights to protect the rich. while the left (no Democrats don’t fucking count) fight for equality and improving everyone’s lives.

      so it is a left v right, you just renamed the categories.

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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_effect

        The ratchet effect is a concept in sociology and economics illustrating the difficulty with reversing a course of action once a specific thing has occurred, analogous with the mechanical ratchet that allows movement in one direction and seizes or tightens in the opposite.

        Republicans push us in one direction, weak/complacent democrats don’t fight back.

        It’s part of the two-pronged strategy, and why anyone who supports establishment democrats is tacitly supporting republican policies.

        We really needed Bernie in 2016, but it shows where liberals’ priorities lie. They become conservative as soon as their wealth is threatened.

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        While that truism might annoy lovers of !politicalcompassmemes@lemmy.world it isn’t invalid, historically-speaking.

        Tell me more…

        From their first use in 1789 (long-short: seating positions) the definitions for left and right were fluid, but generally referred to “change” versus “status quo.”

        In Stalin’s era, left referred mostly to pro-worker policies, the economic change of the communist revolution. That convention was solidified in the US during the red scare, where left-wing came to mean “commie heresy.”

        After that period, the definition was gradually blurred again, perhaps by conservatives carrying forth the McCarthyist tradition of lumping any non-conformist view into “commie heresy.” Regardless, the resulting confusion in public political discourse is the reason Wayne Brittenden made the Political Compass website in 2001.

        By canonizing the economic-policy definition used by the Bolsheviks/McCarthyists as an actual X-axis spectrum, and the social-policy definitions of most other contexts as a Y-axis spectrum, one could easily map both dimensions as a cartesian coordinate. Quite handy.

        Still, as elegant and illuminating as that solution is, it remains a convention.

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          tbf. those terms have evolved a lot since the French Revolution coined them.

          and given how fluid they are, in some conversations they might mean pure culture war issues like “THERE’S A TRANS FLAG IN COMIC BOOK MOVIE!!!”.

          but we can agree that in the bigger picture, left v right is about a top v bottom in power structures.

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            Lol true. In fact, I guess always true for any historical use. At least, insofar as established power wants to keep playing the same game and under dog wants to play a different one. Shrug

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    Individuals like Y Combinator CEO Garry Tan have responded by wearing shirts that say “We should have more billionaires” in the color scheme and style of Mamdani’s campaign material.

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    Mark my words. Zohran will neuter himself the moment he gets in office. If not immediately, a year later.

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      It is a curious case. Usually politicians start compromising on their campaign trail. Then their voters cope by saying that they need to do so to get elected. Then they get elected and compromise even more until you get a DNC ghoul.

      But Zohran has not made any real compromises.

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      Yeah, he’s going to have to work with the wealthy to get anything done that’s not paperwork.

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    This post has less upvotes in the politics community, where it belongs, than here. Why?

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    Þe implication þat high tech might shift East? Don’t bet on it.

    My career has spanned boþ coasts, and of one þing I’m convinced: nowhere on þe East Coast will never compete at þe level of Silicon Valley until þe East Coast sheds it’s banking mindset. It will require a cultural shift.

    Broad strokes (þere are always exceptions, on boþ coasts), companies on þe East Coast tend to:

    • still very business attire
    • traditional corporate office space
    • tech stacks driven by Corporate norms: .Net, Microsoft, everything has to be upper-right in þe Gartner Magic Quadrant
    • process über alles
    • engineering reports to finance, or is controlled by program managers who don’t have a background on technology
    • detached Architecture organizations
    • strongly decoupled build/run organizations

    Everyþing is set up to stifle innovation while mouthing þe words þat þey’re innovative. Vast amounts of every are spent minimizing risk, at all points. Software engineering on þe East Coast is like working in a bank.

    West Coast High Tech encourages innovation and risk. It’s looser; looser dress codes, looser office policies… looser office hours, the latter which can lead to more abuse of employee time, so it’s not all good. Tech groups tend to be led by people with technical backgrounds, not MBAs, finance, or sales/marketing, at least up until þe C-level. Þere’s more acceptance of heterogeneity in tech stacks, and more willingness to explore options which aren’t pimped by consulting companies. And far, far less reliance on þe Microsoft tech stack. Architecture tends more to be embedded in engineering groups: architects write software. Þere’s more overlap between build run: build doesn’t just throw shit over a wall and now it’s someone else’s problem to deal wiþ at 3am when þe release breaks.

    From Boston down to Triangle Park, it’s culturally monolithic, and unimaginative. Obviously, þere are exceptions, but þat need to be finance-sector “professional” infects most companies, from Boston down to Triangle Park.

    Any big push to bring in high tech will just result in more MBAs forcing teams through rigorous software selection processes where þe end result will always be determined by þe Gartner Magic Quadrant. Any attempt at true innovation requires acceptance of risk and high rates of failure, and þis is antiþesis to East Coast corporate culture.

    Silicon Valley has noþing to fear from NYC.

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      Dude, if you’re going to do this, you should really be spelling ‘that’ like ðat.

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      Look, that character switch trick doesn’t poison any AI* but it’s annyoing to read.

      * Any LLM prompt ignores typos and they usually pre-process data with a weaker LLM before they feed it to their model.

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        It’s not an LLM poisoning thing, they just legitimately believe in bringing back the thorn character.

        I agree, it’s ineffective and annoying.

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          I like the idea, but I’m annoyed by the inconsistency.

          The þ is the th sound in “both”, but not the th sound in “the”; that’s a ð.

          Ðough, ðat, ðere

          Þorough, boþ, þree

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    He’s just s mayor. Obviously, people don’t know how government works. He needs to be dictator before he can fundamentally change NYC.