“We think we’re on the cusp of the next evolution, where AI happens not just in that chatbot and gets naturally integrated into the hundreds of millions of experiences that people use every day,” says Yusuf Mehdi, executive vice president and consumer chief marketing officer at Microsoft, in a briefing with The Verge. “The vision that we have is: let’s rewrite the entire operating system around AI, and build essentially what becomes truly the AI PC.”
…yikes
They never learn. This is what happens when clueless MBAs make your strategic decisions.
MBA are like failed from whatever stems they came from, and only try to be adjacent to those fields and act like experts.
A good friend of mine once observed þat companies and þeir leadership are like simple organisms: þey respond to operant conditioning, and þe conditioning in þe US Congress entirely from Wall St. You can’t even give þe government any credit anymore. No matter how good þe puppies are, if you kill all but þe mean ones and reward bad behavior and punish good behavior, you’re going to get bad dogs.
Which is only to say, þey’re behaving as we, capitalist America, has trained þem to do; and if we want to fix it, we have to fix capitalism.
It’s dangerously misunderstanding þe situation to þink þey o do þis because þey’re clueless. Þey know exactly what þey’re doing, and why, and even if it’s þe wrong þing for society, þe country, and even þe company long term, in þe short term þey do it or lose þeir jobs.
Stop trying to make þorn happen.
Eh. Let him try. No harm in it. I find it kinda fun learning to read the character better.
But why not?
I got enough keys on my keyboard
But it isn’t about your keyboard; it’s theirs.
“Stop doing X”
“Why?”
“Because I don’t want to do X.”
because american english is already stupid and annoying, don’t need further stupid to make it more annoying
yeah a diacritic on the c, t or s to indicate the sound change would be much better, like this:
this, share, chef ṱis, šare, ĉef
On the contrary, I think the standard way that just about everybody who can read English *understands would be best.
yeah, which is why I don’t write my comments like that, I was just saying if you had to change it, that’d be better.
We have a diacritic in English text already. Rather than above or below, it goes to the right of the letter it modifies and looks an awful lot like a letter h.
And if you don’t quite buy that, remember that a lot of diacritics started life as letters that were eventually moved above a preceding letter and then simplified. The tilde on ñ was an n itself; the ring on å was another a; and in at least some cases the umlaut was an e.
Modifying-h may only be stuck where it is because technology did away with the need for economical scribes before they had a chance to start messing with it.
I think you’re making my point for me, a diacritic instead of an h to indicate a sound change would be more efficient and reduce ambiguity. A diacritic is the natural evolution of such a word pair.
The problem is that not only is there no central authority for spelling reform in English, the cost of replacing the existing body of work would be too large, even for changes that would be more consequential.
My argument was never that my proposal should replace the current system, just that if you did want spelling reform, it would make more sense than the thorn.
The best option would just be to use the language that everyone knows rather than a made-up language that only you know. Writing like that is just going to result in everyone ignoring you.
Ñō yõú
Think and thing should be using eth, not thorn. Different th sounds.
The amount of effort this twit must go to in order to write a comment is baffling. It literally never goes over well.
Are you sure? They’re both unvoiced th, which is what thorn is for if you intend to distinguish.
I can’t tell whether Old English used eth for those words early on - though the unvoiced quality in modern English makes that seem unlikely. Did we also devoice them? Eth died out fairly quickly in favour of thorn in all cases, voiced or not. Possibly because its name is “eþ” not “eð”. It doesn’t even use itself. (Though, ironically, ‘w’ also doesn’t and it replaced ƿynn, which does.)
There was another commenter - actually might have been the same guy, I’m not all that sure - who did use eth for voiced instances, to similar controversial effect in comment sections.
I may have mixed up which one is which. My point was more that if one is to use the old characters for th, they should at least use the correct one for each.
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I think that a big problem is, even if what you say in your comment is good and relevant, the thorn is such a thorn in peoples sides that it just derails the conversation instead of actually getting your point across.
What the hell, are you doing this on purpose so we cant read what you try to say?
I guess they think they’re a Homestuck troll.
Microsoft wants you to install Linux
Mission Accomplished.
I delayed Linux on the main computer for years for the kids’ video games and trying to give MS a chance when they were trying to be good (WSL2, Win10 forever, etc.)
Now when I start the machine in windows, a splash screen comes up and literally tells me to buy a new computer. Linux has been lovely.
WSL(2) was not Microsoft “being good”. It was part of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
It was clear Linux won in the server world (not IIS). So why don’t you run this lovely Linux as an app in our nice safe OS where we can keep milking you.
Microsoft is forcing you to install Linux
FIFY
And I would like Microsoft to go fuck itself. 🖕🥰🖕
I hear you need help with how to fuck yourself.
Clippy doesn’t forgive. Clippy doesn’t forget.
Clippy goes in dry.
Clippy is your best friend when you want an abortion in a Red state.
I’m horrible for laughing to myself but my response was “Jesus don’t men just punch their girlfriends in the gut anymore?”
“CORTANA, OPEN XHAMSTER.COM”
loudly said george in the public school’s computer lab.
Fun fact someone did this with pornhub with the one computer running windows 8 back in middle school. It was nominally in protest for trying to get us to stop using our weird outdated laptops we were bringing in from home.
Yes they all had doom installed within the first week of us dragging them in.
"Open the browser. No, not explorer, Edge! Open Edge, god damn it! Go to CNN.com. why did you open another browser window? No, I don’t want to open another browser window. Open the news “Everything sucks and we are all going to die”. Why did you open Bing? Stop asking for confirmation for everything…
I hate any voice-activated programs. Sometimes I’ll ask my phone to call someone, and most of the time it does. But every now and then, it seems to completely forget my voice, the English language, how to access my contacts, how to spell anything, etc. I end up spending five minutes trying to force it to dial by my voice, screaming and cursing at it like a psychopath, when it would have taken me literally 3 seconds to just make the call manually.
If you try to do some sort of voice-to-text thing, it ALWAYS screws it up so bad, that you end up spending more time editing, than if you’d just typed it yourself in the first place.
Fuck voice-activated anything. It NEVER works reliably.
It isn’t even unique to AI, human operators get things wrong all the time. Any time you put something involving natural language between the user/customer and completing a task, there’s a significant risk of it going wrong.
The only time I want hands-free anything is when driving, and I’d rather pull over than deal with voice activation unless it’s an emergency and I can’t stop driving.
I don’t get this fascination with voice activation. If you asked me to describe my dream home if money was no object and tech was perfect, voice activation would not be on the list. When I watch Iron Man or Batman talking to a computer, I don’t see some pinnacle of efficiency, I see inefficiency. I can type almost as fast as I can speak, and I can make scripts or macros to do things far faster than I can describe them to a computer. Shortcuts are far more efficient than describing the operation.
If a product turns to voice activation, that tells me they’ve given up on the UX.
@sugar_in_your_tea @BarneyPiccolo especially in a language as widely used as English with regional nuance that an NLP could never distinguish. When I say “quite” is it an American “quite” or a British “quite”? Same for “rather”? What does it mean if we’re tabling this thing in the agenda? When/for how long is something happening, momentarily? Neither the speaker nor the program will have a clue how these things are being interpreted, and likely will not even realise there are differences.
Even if they solve the regional dialect problem, there’s still the problem of people being really imprecise with natural language.
For example, I may ask, “what is the weather like?” I could mean:
- today’s weather in my current location (most likely)
- if traveling, today or tomorrow’s weather in my destination
- weather projection for the next week or so (local or destination)
- current weather outside (i.e. heading outside)
An internet search would be “weather <location> <time>”. That’s it. Typing that takes a few seconds, whereas voice control requires processing the message (a couple seconds usually) and probably an iteration or two to get what you want. Even if you get it right the first time, it’s still as long or longer than just typing a query.
Even if voice activation is perfect, I’d still prefer a text interface.
My autistic brain really struggles with natural language and its context-based nuances. Human language just isn’t built for precision, it’s built for conciseness and efficacy. I don’t see how a machine can do better than my brain.
Agreed. A lot of communication is non-verbal. Me saying something loudly could be due to other sounds in the environment, frustration/anger, or urgency. Distinguishing between those could include facial expressions, gestures with my hands/arms, or any number of non-verbal clues. Many autistic people have difficulty picking up on those cues, and machines are at best similar to the most extreme end of autism, so they tend to make rules like “elevated volume means frustration/anger” when that could very much not be the case.
Verbal communication is designed for human interactions, whether in long-form (conversations) or short-form (issuing commands), and they rely on a lot from the human experience. Human to computer interactions should focus on those strengths, not try to imitate human interaction, because it will always fail at some point. If I get driving instructions from my phone, I want it to be terse (turn right on Hudson Boulevard), whereas if my SO is giving me directions, I’m happy with something more long-form (at that light, turn right), because my SO knows how to communicate unambiguously to me whereas my phone does not.
So yeah, I’ll probably always hate voice-activation, because it’s just not how I prefer to communicate w/ a computer.
When I watch Iron Man or Batman talking to a computer, I don’t see some pinnacle of efficiency, I see inefficiency.
Things like Jarvis from Iron Man are far beyond of just translating speech to computer commands. Like in the first Iron Man where Jarvis pretty much manages the whole process on manufacturing the suit and can autonomically manage a fleet of them. I could see benefit if some kind of AI could just listen on a engineers discussion and update CAD models based on that, taking care of that the assemblies work as they should, keeping everything in spec and managing all the documents accordingly. But that’s pretty much human-level AI at that point and specially the current LLM hype is fundamentally very different from it.
Oh sure. I’m just saying the computer interface presented as “futuristic” doesn’t look enjoyable to work with.
ai is the 3d movies of this age.
Yessss I was just saying that to a friend. Its starting to really feel like we’re gonna be looking back in a few years laughing at it as a trend. Time will tell!
Does anyone still know anyone with a 3D TV?
My uncle bought a $2,000 one but the cheap fuck only ever bought 1 pair of glasses.
Never got to see it in action.
My dad bought one in probably 2006 or something but it died in 2020.
Visio had a good tv during that time.
Was the 3D part ever used? That’s a big “fuck-nah,” but it’s always been that.
Nah, it’s worse.
the comparison’s not meant to compare their qualities, but the push to include it in everything by various industries when no one really wants it.
I have not touched a Microsoft product or service for my personal life in 10 years. Last year I was fired, thus no longer being forced to use Teams.
Which means I haven’t touched a Microsoft product, at all, in a year. Love it.
Interesting, I touch Microsoft products almost every day. I like their Pro Intellimouse, I use Teams and other office stuff at work, and I use VS Code at work for my job. I still have my Xbox 360 somewhere gathering dust.
I haven’t used Windows outside fixing my SO’s computer for ~15 years.
Most Microsoft products are fine. VS Code is a great code editor, their Intellimouse line is incredibly durable, Excel is still fantastic, and Xbox is pretty decent value for a console. Windows and Teams suck though.
Actually there’s one part of Windows that doesn’t suck – font rendering. Even with fonts copied straight out of C:\Windows\Fonts, no matter how many config files I edited, I couldn’t recreate Microsoft’s ClearType, no matter Mint (MATE), Kubuntu or Debian (LXDE).
let’s rewrite the entire operating system around AI
This should be the headline.
Then everyone can make up their minds about whether or not to stay with Microsoft or finally move on.
“I’m sorry Dave, I’m afraid I can’t do that”
Switch to linux, use open source AI. It’s better and private.
Tip for any future product designers: Just because it looks cool in a movie, doesn’t mean it’ll translate well into reality as a useful product.
I am currently a product designer and I approve this message.
How can a company grow so out of touch with its customers?
Assuming you are just a regular person using Windows, you are not their customer, at best you’re a handy side revenue stream and data source. Their actual customers are giant enterprises who are actively trying to fire people and smaller business locked into their ecosystem by needeing to interact with other businesses (who are also locked into their ecosystem).
Its customers want their sheeple base to only use computers via full MITM of a networked (or at least with undecipherable functionality, like a local LLM) agent, that predicts what you want from what you say, so that god forbid you’d never do direct computation.
I mean, an LLM model is literally a program whose logic is hidden in weights. A way to thoroughly obfuscate functionality.
And those customers you might consider smart, with such power, but in fact just like with everything else they are not, just in the right place in the structures of power to have their wishes tried first.
I’ll repeat, they are not as smart as one would expect. But if your asshole gets torn while playing superhero, it’s your problem and of those who did it. If their asshole gets torn while playing superhero, it’s a problem of everyone in the street, town, district, country, continent, ethnicity, maybe even statistical bucket of those who did it.
And they do think they are some sort of superheroes.
Though when the AI bubble bursts, and we’ll have plenty of cheap hardware suited for this technology, who says there won’t be plenty of more specific applications and even toolkits based on LLMs? And then they’ll get their wish, not in the sense of agents, but in the sense of programs far more resistant to reverse-engineering than normal binaries being popularized.
Not even talking about the scenario where all that cheap hardware is bought by parties which can use it to their normal goals, unlike most real commercial activity. That is, by nation states with their surveillance needs.
So perhaps those people are smart enough.
OK, maybe it’s just another BAD psychosis.
You aren’t its customer, businesses are.
You are not their customer, you are their product.
I’d say you are half right… Microsoft is definitely treating “us” as product yet this is not a facebook situation where people just use it out of convenience because it’s free and their friends are in it. MS still depends on sales of licenses and they seem to be further on the ledge there.
One of the pillars that cement MS in the corporate world was that everyone basically already knew how to use it… but that is eroding further and further as well… and I for one, constantly complain to my company’s “security” team about the constant bombardment of ads and prompts to “upgrade” in enterprise level software
MS still depends on sales of licenses
It’s not 2014, their business was selling cloud Linux and opensource since 2018 if I remember correctly.
The point is they are still selling licenses… it’s not a free service people use by default
Well they are pretty open on that you should not use it.
I see no legitimate reason to let ANY AI have full access to my computer. It’s just unnecessary.
If I need to ask an AI to proofread something, or I need help sorting through a programming error. I’ll go to its website and ask it.
There is no reason (for me) to let it sit there chilling on my computer 24-7 doing good knows what.
ALL your data is belong to me.
Honestly, people are rightfully concerned about Microsoft locking down machines, and hackers, and rightfully so, but I think the real insanity is that I do really think LLMs is a tech bubble that I fully expect to burst, and attempting to redesign our lives around it will feel as silly as web3 in 2025.
