• Philharmonic3@lemmy.world
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    “There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part! You can’t even passively take part! And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels … upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop! And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!” - Mario Savio

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    You can try to change it… Put all your energy into it, until you’re burnt out… and then you can finally find your place in this machine!

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      Making things better for the community according to your ability to do so.

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        Right, which is productivity and wealth since that means you are self reliant or can help those who are not

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          It’s not though because people exploit you for your labour. People like Bezos aren’t multibillionares because they work 10000x harder than a minimum wage worker, they get that wealth by exploiting others. And people like him don’t take the first few million and retire, they hoard all that wealth because people who are willing to exploit people to thay degree and make people piss in bottles aren’t going to be people who give a shit about helping other people.

          We could live in a society where you’re free to work a little harder and be rewarded for it because you have to ability to do so and any extra cash you earnt could go to helping those less fortunate who aren’t able to work as much as you do.

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            The more successful you are the less you’re exploited. That’s a piece that pisses me off how the left keeps new generations hobbled their entire lives. So yes the harder you’re work means you are rewarded if you choose the right careers which is the point. I’ve met so many Lefty’s who refuse to pick a good career. Like 35 year old workers in the service industry who choose to be there that are angry they’re not granted more wages or benefits. I wish the left would adopt more of the attitude on the right which is just work hard.

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              But having a full time job means you’re successful, doesn’t it? Or do you believe there are classes of full time workers who don’t deserve to make a living wage?

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          Under the current system “productivity” means making lots of money for your boss. If you work a job that’s valuable to society like being a teacher you still don’t get paid as much. Or if you’re an artist or you aren’t capable of working 40 hours a week you’re seen as a less productive member of society.

          Being a valued member of society shouldn’t be based on working two full time jobs because if you can afford to pay all your bills and buy a nice car and house then that’s proof of your success.

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    You mean the leisure society we could have built when we started sucking cubic miles of oil out of the ground?

    Good luck with that.

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    I produce nothing, I create nothing. I just consume, travel, delve into my hobbies and enjoy life and don’t give a crap about my “value” others might or might not attribute to me.

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      I refer back to a note I wrote myself during the depths of despair after crawling back out from a total loss and had to rebuild my life.

      “There is no wrong way to live. Just being here, experiencing anything is a cosmic miracle, it’s literally impossible to waste your life.”

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    Like, what i don’t get is that i see both people here on this forum, on lemmy, advocating for “communism means workers own the factories they work in” (i.e. workers are solely upheld by their own productivity, example) and “people’s lifes shouldn’t be tied to their productivity” (this comic).

    Please, y’all, make up your mind. Do you define yourself as somebody who inherently works hard and out of that draws their self-esteem, or is your self-worth independent of your productivity?

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      I think the people you are refering to wants better wealth distibution. They want a fair share of the value of their work. So that they can live comfortably and work less at the same time.

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        I also find it a bit strange that people are not allowed to express their dissatisfaction with the current system without having perfect reasoning as to why AND a holistic solution to their situation. I think you should be able to say “I’m not sure this is working” without also having the burden of being the architect of the future world laid upon you.