• Godort@lemmy.ca
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    26 days ago

    I mean, they’re not really wrong. Valve has a monopoly on game distribution the same way that Google has a monopoly on Internet search. Alternatives exist, but they aren’t really competing with Steam.

    Valve has so far been pretty pro-consumer which is how they got to where they are, but yhat doesn’t really change the fact that they essentially get to set the rules for digital distribution of games.

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      It’s also a big risk, as they could always enshittify. It’s a good platform now, but if Gabe dies or decides to give up his leadership position, that could all change very quickly.

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        Yeah, the day Gabe leaves is going to be a sad day for gaming, because Steam is probably gonna get real shitty real quick. I’m sure some finance-minded jackasses will do their best to maximize short-term profit and fly the whole ecosystem into the ground at Mach 3.

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          26 days ago

          As long as it remains privately owned, it should be OK. The day shares go public, god forbid, will be the beginning of the end.

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            Thats not true. Privately owned firms tend to be really bad because they don’t have a feduciary duty to long term value. They suck everything dry. Private equity is the reason why daycare costs so much yet the daycare workers make minimum wage.

            Steam just happens to be fine under private ownership because it makes enough profit for Gabe to be satisfied.

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                26 days ago

                The first sentence

                When you choose a software vendor, do you question how the company is financed? Should that be part of your evaluation?

                This article seems to be about the ethos of private equity. Legally they’re nearly identical.

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                  Private equity is commonly referring to “owned by a private equity fund” like Blackrock. It often involves extracting unhealthy amount of short term profit to make the numbers look better then sell the business so they can record a profit.

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              Privately owned firms tend to be really bad because they don’t have a feduciary duty to long term value

              You say that as if publicly traded firms do

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              Privately owned firms tend to be really bad because they don’t have a feduciary duty to long term value.

              Neither do publicly traded companies. All they are required to do is make money for shareholders, and most of them push for short-term value

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                The profits are taken away from the trading price, yes

                Although it still helps the long term price

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              Gross oversimplification of Private vs Public. We are really taking about three kinds of ownership models, if arguing in good faith.

              1. The people that are invested in the company, usually the people that built it, are at the helm.

              2. The people that built it took a payout from Private Equity who now have ownership stake, and who now set the growth agenda.

              3. The compant is now public, and given to the irrational whims if the ENTIRE marketplace, while at the same time primarily being at the whims of the board and the largest few investor stakeholders.

              Steam has largely existed exclusively in the first category. So have most of the oldest businesses in the planet, which are often family-owned and maintained operations across generations.

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              Thats PE firms, not the same as private owned companies. THERE WAS only one istance of a hybrid of PE and private owned sitaution, SEARS.

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                  I assume they mean private equity vs privately owned. Private equity would mean you have to bow to your investor since they are paying you. Privately owners make their own decisions without needing to answer to an investor

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      Gamers have good reason to love Valve for Steam alone – not even accounting for their amazing games. They really do have the best gamer-oriented platform, and seemingly they care about gamers. I think they’ve done a lot to advance gaming on linux as well which is much appreciated.

      But, at least the way I see it, they still extract rents from game devs to an almost feudal degree.

      “Sure – come sell your grain game – but you’ll have to give me a third of your profit because I own the town square platform/servers.”

      Side note: It’s pretty funny that for a while Valve had Greek economist Yanis Varoufakis on staff to analyze spontaneously emerging markets for digital items on Steam – and he went on to write about the phenomenon above in his recent book Technofeudalism.

      Edit: formatting

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      Really? Has Valve abused their position to specifically further entrench their monopoly or other anti-consumer behavior?

      There was a time I would have agreed with that comparison but Google has sucked for a while.

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    Turns out if you invest in making your platform not suck it ends up paying dividends. Figure it out dumbfucks.

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    It’s only a monopoly in that it’s so much more popular than everything else that’s come along, and the main reason for that is because it’s better than competitors. Most others are just publisher stores, and almost all have functionality that users disagree with.

    In the OP article, the game distribution platform Rokky is also apparently a publisher store, having recently bought the rights to distribute Chinese games in the west.

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      I agree. There are other stores you can get your games from, that never got mentioned in this piece. I personally love GOG for that purpose. There aren’t many new games in there but there are big and day one releases

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      I avoided signing up for years because I thought it would lead to us only owning a revokable digital license to every new game. Oh how the turn tables.

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    It surprised me that only 10% had tried selling their games on GOG. I guess the thought of going DRM-free was scarier than the monopoly of Steam.

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      Yeah, of course it would. Senior Manager position is something that basically only exists for bigger studios. From the 306 developers interviewed, probably only a small part are indie developers.

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      Haven’t even bothered making an account on epic for the free games or what ever they are offering. I just don’t care, steam is so much better. Got a few games in GoG too but I wish they did a little better in the Linux support side of things.

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      it’s just not worth the trouble even free

      for me, it all boils down to this. The best DRM is making garbage. I won’t even sail the seas to find it, I just will never use it.

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    Game distribution platform Rokky has just released the results of a study it conducted with 306 senior managers of PC game developers (all from the US or UK)

    Unsurprising that they find this, since that’s what their business is about.

    MAXIMIZE GLOBAL GAME SALES WITH ROKKY

    Expand sales of your PC game beyond Steam. Sell game keys to 200+ global storefronts simultaneously with Rokky. Enjoy revenue increases of up to 100%.

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      Nailed it, this is an ad for their company, that’s all the poll is, and of course it backs up the purpose of the company, almost like they set out from the beginning to create a poll with the results they wanted. Once they did that, they fired up their email (or hired a PR company) and spammed every news outlet they could to get them to cover. Steamdeckhq was dumb enough to take the bait, literally advertising this company for free, and OP continued that idiocy by posting here.

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    Unless games become something we truly own, steam is going to stay dominant. It’s more like a utility than a storefront. If you want to remove the dominance of steam you need to force a way to move libraries of games to other platforms.

    Steam also got their monopoly the honest way by simply being the most consumer friendly option.

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    It’s a monopoly that benefits the consumer.

    It could easily not be a monopoly if any other company was dedicated to making as good of a customer experience.

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    Bullshit. There are many other PC games stores and launchers. Only reason they don’t have lot of users is because they are just not very good. In my view, Valve is not actively trying to establish any monopoly, their competition is mostly incompetent, especially EGS. Of course, I understand that if devs want their games to succeed, they have to play by Valve’s rules, but let’s face it, that’s where customers are. This is not by some trickery of Valve. It’s because Valve happens to be very pro-consumer. So, I don’t agree with the assertion that Steam is a monopoly.

    Epic games store could have been great and yet, Epic’s disdain for gamers has caused it to fail. Now EGS is just a glorified Fortnite launcher for the most part.

    I am not saying that Steam or even Valve is perfect. They are not. They are just leagues better than their competition.

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      I will also say is that major reason why Steam has an monopoly is that they have invested their resources to streamline the PC gaming experience and also make gaming on Linux better as well as Steam controller which also allows us to remap control layout.

      None the alternative does that and are just another DRM-Storefront. That’s my major pet peeve with Steam alternative like Epic Games Launcher. Closest we have is GOG for to be able to download offline installer and most the games are DRM-free. Otherwise, I just would rather buy games on Steam as it just works for me… 🤷

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    When you buy something digital, since it’s expensive, you want an assurance that the platform would honor your access for many years.

    Valve has the best chance of that.

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      Technically, I’d say that GOG does, as you can just download and back up all the installers for the games. Wouldn’t even matter if the company went bankrupt or even if the entire internet died completely. You could still install and play the games just fine.

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    If only all monopolies were so user-positive.

    I suspect what’s unique in valve’s case is that they don’t have investors and board members and other stakeholders to lead them toward short-term profit maximization.

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      If only all monopolies were so user-positive.

      All monopolies come into being super user-positive: it’s the moment they need to make money that shit hits the fan.

      Is: Google Chrome is an overly appreciate, open source, web browser… then they came to shut down ad blocker “we gotta got +80% web browser share, what are you gonna do about it?”

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    I laugh when i see this shit.

    Imagine creating a platform which is so feature rich, and costs nothing for consumers to use, that other distributors want to legally force you to separate it from your store so they have a chance to sell the consumer the same game, for the same price (or more), but on “an equal playing field”.

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    Valve is “de facto” monopoly, bit the actual monopoly potential is in Microsoft hands. Microsoft is for PC gaming industry what Google is for the web browser one. Sure, there may be other cool web browsers, but it’s Google that (through Android base) decide whic web browser will be delivered with the next billions of Android mobile device: some elderly people on smartphone don’t even know what is a web browser (“oh, you mean when I Google? I don’t know: I just Google”).

    All future new PC will be sold with Microsoft Store and Xbox junk ware: Microsoft has been exceptionally shitty for not being the actual monopoly in the PC gaming industry. But that’s a very feeble protection: break Valve business is just a mandatory “security update” away to happen. They can break Steam little by little (such as suggested by Tim Sweeney) or just a big blow by sheer monopolized manipulation (such as Google not allowing adblockers to chrome to feed their advertising business)

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      Microsoft tried to flip the switch years ago to kill anything outside the Microsoft store. That’s when steam released the original steam machines. Combined with general negative response to the messaging Microsoft has backed off, but they absolutely want to do it still.

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        They never tried to kill anything outside the Microsoft store. That’s just what Tim Sweeney and developers got fearful of and made a big fuss about (not saying it’s not worth making a fuss about, but they never announced they would do it). Microsoft did introduce more limited versions of windows that had sideloading disabled by default, but these were low cost versions of windows generally aimed at children and grandparents / non tech people, not at their gamer user base.

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          They absolutely were heading that direction with both windows and Xbox until the massive backlash from the public forced them to tone down their plans. It’s still the same company that tried to kill used games on consoles, and they basically have with the creation of game pass. Valve built an escape hatch to Linux for gaming, which has forced them to be a bit nicer on the PC front, but that’s not a sign of Microsoft being good.

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            Lol, they didn’t try to kill used games on console, when they announced the Xbox One they also announced that you would be able to digitally sell and transfer your games licenses and share you digital library with friends.

            Gamers didn’t hear that though, and then those plans got scrapped when they had to rework everything before launch.