They’re not perfect, but having a real alternative engine matters more than people realize.
Then use Waterfox.
AI is like human genitalia. I only like it when I’m in the mood for it, and I don’t want it shoved in my face at any other time.
chef’s kiss
LibreWolf looks good these days.
As there seems to have been recent confusion about this, just a quick “official” toot to then pin: we haven’t and won’t support “generative AI” related stuff in LibreWolf. If you see some features like that (like Perplexity search recently, or the link preview feature now) it is solely because it “slipped through”. As soon as we become aware of something like this / it gets reported to us, we will remove/disable it ASAP.
Can it sync my password and history from Mozilla’s servers? I’d switch in a heartbeat.
Yep. Is basically a firefox stripped from junk. Just remember is very stick on privacy, if something is not visible or some pics don’t upload, you just have to enable the site permission from the icon in the navigation bar.
That’s excellent! I’ll have to investigate how to make work with profiles-sync-daemon on my system. Then it’s a definite conclusion! Thank you.
That’s why I use Internet Explorer 7
Me too
What’s wrong with IE11?
I’m still angry that an (optionally) AI browser isn’t the worst idea as a headline/dev direction … if you don’t read any further than the headline that is.
I do want or eventually will need some local, foss AI to deal with all the megacorp bs AI that will be just everywhere on the internets (I can’t humanly fight the increasing megacorp slop, I need/will need my own AI to help me fight and navigate it, as a freedom necessity).
Someone pls work on that, I don’t want to live in an internetless cave/woods for the rest of my life (the cave/woods is what I wish for regardless, it’s just a question of my need for internet access).But no, they decided to hammer their dicks with all the megamatacorp AIs. I mean, it’s prob marginally better than to forward ppl to sites or Chrome, but it’s not a thing that you would want publicized as a major step/direction, it’s at the very least distasteful.
Pretty sure the translate feature is using local ai, which I think is great! Its not as accurate as others, but a lot more trustworthy at least
Also AI could theoretically do an even better job at ad blocking and also block other annoying shit like autoplay videos and html5 popups (fuck any web dev that uses them without a user click prompting the popup, they are like the old style popups that were a cancer on the early web, only marginally better because they don’t try to bomb your browser/system like they occasionally would do back then).
Though what I’d really like to see is a DOM designed to serve the user’s will rather than the webdevs’.
Yes, this is exactly what I meant, smart blocking (especially since nowdays ads are “content”), and at some point in the future when services (eg banks) will force you to go through their ultra-processed & upsalesy AI chat for everything you could just send in your own AI to deal with their bs AI trying to monetise everything.
You will never guess who already did that.
Oh, qewl, that is almost what I meant if they pivot that way.
(Something seems familiar with this, but can’t even decide if I heard about it before or not. If it would integrate in the everyday browsing experience without too much extra external data, this could eventually be the help I spoke about.)
It’s a fucking infection is what it is.
Even HomeAssistant, which is literally meant to be the open source alternative to all the big tech megacorp enshittification, is now vibe coding their server core and most major plugins, as I found out recently.
They’re also censoring discussion about it on their forums, when I tried bringing it up- everything hidden as ‘off topic.’
A complete betrayal of their users, imo.
I swapped for librewolf and enjoy all my shit still there. With ungoogled chromium for those sites that has some insane reason for the site breaking down when you look at it with anything but a missionary get. Trying helium too but yeah my Firefox is customized out the wazoo
I can’t contain my excitement for the new modern AI browser, Microzilla Firepilot (stolen from phoronix). Best of all, every AI functionality is opt-out, so you don’t have to waste time turning them all on.
Google’s browser will be left in the dust!!!
Now that is innovation. Good job, new Firefox CEO.
The only reason I use Firefox is because it has my chaterbate password saved on it and I can’t remember it.
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They just can’t help themselves, eh?
free bottom surgery :3
Well, I still haven’t seen any AI in my Firefox and I’m planing on using it until I will.
Hold your click for at least one second on any link and it will show a preview of the link and suggest you to use AI to describe it
Solution:
about:config > browser.ml.enable = falseI genuinely thought you said “hold your dick for at least one second”
Time to pull out a hammer
STOP! HAMMER TIME!
Can’t touch this.
Haha 😄 funny you.
Settings > scroll down to “General” > look at the options under “Enable link previews”. You can turn the previews off altogether or just turn off the AI part
Yeah, you can also opt out of your planet being demolished to build the intergalactic highway, the form is in the basement.
Incidentally, most of the new llm bullshits are on by default and can’t be turn off in the settings, you need to go to about:config and search for .ml to do so (not to be confused with .ml instance of lemmy which you also can’t easily opt out of). Obviously this settings aren’t synchronised between instances by “synchronise all settings” thingy which they need my personal info for, why would it, so you need to do it every time. Also also they sometimes revert back with major updates, because obviously they are.This is a defence only until it isn’t - although thank you for the tip.
That’s how Windows has been going for years - adding more and more crap and make it all default enabled, and people are like “Oh just turn it off bro.”
Then every update adds more unwanted options that get increasingly difficult to turn off, or randomly turn themselves back on, and before you know it we’ve reached a point where every new install soon needs an entire checklist to go through to make things actually usable again.
That is not how life should be. I want something that respects me by default, and if it wants me to try a feature I might find even slightly objectional, I should have to explicitly opt-in and say YES.
Firefox is setting a precedent by moving in this direction, and they’ve showed their hand. There’s only more where this came from, and I won’t tolerate it, even if I can turn it off.
When the Firefox terms and conditions drama happened some months back, that was the push I needed to switch to Librewolf. It’s a Firefox fork with privacy-respecting settings out of the gate, no sponsored content, no ads, uBlock pre-installed, and absolutely zero AI. If you’re a Firefox user, I recommend you try it too.
In my opinion this is one of the main issues. All those features should be disabled by default, and only the user decide if they want to enable them!
But they are doing the opposite.
Thanks I already did that, but it still ticks me off that I had to find out they added this while using the browser. This shit should be off by default.
So it’s entirely optional, you only encounter it by interacting with the browser in an atypical way, and the thing it does is a thing that AI is actually pretty decent at (summarizing text)? Sounds like they couldn’t stop themselves from joining the dick hammering bandwagon, but decided not to hit it too hard.
entirely optional
No, it’s on by default, it has access to everything you’re browsing and doing fuck knows what with it, and you need to know that it is doing it and unless you’ve read it somewhere you don’t know that it’s there.
thing that AI is actually pretty decent at (summarizing text)
That’s so not true it’s not even funny.
I mean yeah, it could be worse, everything could be worse. Still, not good, not good at all.
*yet
The new CEO is an AI True Believer, and I don’t doubt this will last.
They’ll remove the options to turn it off, and make it full of the AI features, with no opt-out or opt-in
Holding my click on a volume slider triggered the feature so it quickly became really annoying
Good I learnt something today. 😏
It doesn’t.
It does if you have a default install
The article does say that we should always be able to turn off the AI part.
Arch Linux package maintainers seem to have disabled it by default unless I did something and forgot
Save us
LadybirdServo, you’re our only hope.Too bad it’s made by someone who promotes ‘great replacement’ theory and stands with fascists.
Since the comment you were responding to was edited to strike out “Ladybird” and write “Servo” instead, would you mind editing your comment to clarify you are talking about Ladybird and not Servo?
Holy hell. I knew about the gender neutral pronouns debacle. Didn’t know there are more…
Lemmy isn’t much better.
Edit: If people don’t know what I’m referring to, this comment sums it up well.
But on Lemmy I can block the devs and all of .ml
That’s user choice baby
There is the part where moderation tools seem almost intentionally left out. This place is almost as open to manipulation as 4chan.
Remember when 4chan used to be progressive, libertarian, (uh, and racist)?
Rememver when 4chan used to be progressive
If it ever was, it had to have happened sometime in the middle of its existence, cuz it sure as hell wasn’t that when it launched and sure as hell isn’t that now.
Alternative and progressive used to be more synonymous
It was before and during the time of “Anonymous the Hacker known as 4chan”.
And yeah, my point was that it was easy to manipulate into being a far-right Nazi hellhole, instead of, you know, a more progressive (but still racist) and libertarian hellhole.
Kind of was progressive, issue is that Moot thought it was a good idea to give the nazis their own place, where they begun radicalizing each other, and even planned harassment campaigns.
And even then, a lot of “4chan progressives” only learned the concept of harassment campaigns, which they turned into what many call “cancel culture”. I’m not saying that all callouts are bad, but often people don’t want to resolve it in private, the “resolve it in private” for the callouter means the other ceases all online presence after a dox threat in private, or at worst it’s being used to get rid of an annoying creator they hated. Often all with the old 4chan-style “you can lie a little bit or more as long as you manage to control the narrative” mentality. Not to mention that the right figured out they can manipulate leftists into toxic callout campaigns.
Also if you ever seen a person saying “why don’t we give a shitton of antidepressants for gender dysphoria instead of hormones?”, that was either a former 4chan progressive, or was influenced by one, since a lot of people who became “mental health positive” due to Project Chanology usually did in a very performative opposition to Scientology’s anti-psychiatry.
On Ladybird, you can block yourself from supporting the devs
And I’m pro-choice!
-creates new account and then blocks own primary-
I’m actually not sure what you’re trying to say tbh. Sorry I’m dumb.
You’re not dumb, I made a bad joke. I could explain the joke over a few paragraphs, but it still won’t be funny. In fact, you’d hate it more for having to read that context. Suffice to say, my ADHD internal dialog jumped from idea to idea until I vomited out something that made me chuckle in the moment.
Sorry, your confusion was collateral damage from my mental explosion.
lol no you’re good
Go grab some adhd meds, my treat
This is whataboutery.
Multiple things can be shitty at the same time though…
Everything is shitty, just different shades. 50 shades of shit.
How? You’re denigrating a product made by a fascist on a product made by a fascist.
One of the reasons I switched to a PieFed server. I’ve been happy with the switch though, it feels generally smoother in my browser as well. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse. Even on a whole different platform, I’m still able to participate in this discussion hosted on a Lemmy server.
What are you talking about? Any links?
I’m not disagreeing, I just haven’t heard this about Lemmy yet
.ml is a tankie instance. The main Lemmy dev is an admin on there, and is definitely a tankie.
His username is also a fascist dictator, iirc.
!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works is a good resource
Are we supposed to only use products and services from people whom we agree with completely on their full set of personal beliefs?
No, but why get behind a fascist sympathiser when a better project exists: servo.org.
Moving to a technically better project is a no brainer
This is a pretty gnarly one to just ignore.
Yeah, great replacement isnt an “Oh well, let’s just agree to disagree” type of thing.
I hate to be the one to tell you this. If you mostly agree with a fascist, maybe that’s a sign of something. And yes, shaming fascists is in fact, a good thing.
Just a bit of fascism, as a treat?
I have this person tagged as a fascist so…this tracks
Mobile app? I don’t see a tag option on my desktop. I’m pretty sure I used to tag people a lot when I used that other site.
When it concerns fascism? How the fuck do you even dare to ask that question?
Your comment got me thinking deeply 😮😮😮
What about Servo?
Any good browsers that use it available yet?
still mozilla
edit: I get it, stop replying
Not since 2020 when Mozilla laid them off. They are now with the Linux Foundation Europe and they accept donations.
Nope, Mozilla gave up on Servo in 2020. It‘s now governed by the Linux Foundation Europe.
Servo hasn’t had anything to do with mozilla for five years
You can’t tell me what to do :3
Just disable the feature or use one of the great Firefox forks like Librewolf or Waterfox. Maybe even Iceweasel.
The world has really gone to shit if the cryptobrowser is our only hope
Waterfox it is.
Long ago, the Four Fox Nations lived together in harmony. Then everything changed when the Firefox Nation attacked.
A hundred years passed and my brother and I discovered the new developer, a script kiddy named Aang. And although his python skills are great, he has a lot to learn before he’s ready to save anyone. But I believe Aang can save the world.
Given python is air what are water, ice, blood, fire, lightning, combustion, earth, metal, and energy?
Ok, let’s do this:
Air = Python Water = Javascript Ice = Typescript Fire = Java Lightning = Groovy Combustion = Kotlin Earth = C++ Metal = Rust Spirit = Assembly
Haven’t heard of this before 😮
there is a mobile waterfox too now
Does it have ublock?
It has browser extensions, and you can install uBlock through that, so yes
It’s the only browser I have on my phone, it works beautifully.
Waterfox is Firefox.
Its a fork and they can choose to include the changes they want from upstream. They’ve come out and said they’re not adding this AI bullshit. Librewolf has done the same.
So yes, base is firefox, but it’s not actually Firefox, in the same way edge uses chrome as its base (not exactly, but similar)
in the same way edge uses chrome as its base
It is much different than this. Edge is built on the Chromium engine, but that’s it. Waterfox is Firefox, as it’s shipped by Mozilla, only with some theme changes and flags disabled.
Oh, I had thought they had some control of upstream merges if its a fork. Couldn’t they choose not to include the upstream AI nonsense merges?
The code for AI is still included, it’s simply disabled.
It’s a fork of Firefox.
It is a set of patches on top of Firefox.
I’m holding out for EarthFox
OK, what happened?
“AI should always be a choice—something people can easily turn off." “It will evolve into a modern AI browser and support a portfolio of new and trusted software additions.”
How does he not get how contradictory these positions sound. Really a missed opportunity to brand themselves as the browser without AI bullshit and gain users who want to get away from that crap. Sure, they promise it’ll have an off switch, but even if that’s true, they’re still wasting a lot of their very limited budget pursuing it. Really shows where their priorities are.
At least they seem commited to keep it a choice instead of the mandatory crap that pops up everywhere. Choice is fine, and maybe it helps to get Firefox back onto peoples computers so they keep their seat at the table when important decisions regarding the web are made.
