• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    you did nothing

    Bitch, I haven’t killed a single bee since this conversation started. Stop blaming me for the dead bees. I’ve gone out of my way to be nice to bees.

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    3 days ago

    I mean… We still don’t know why the honey bee is dying (yes, specifically the honey bee. Other bees seem to be doing OK).

    Yes, it could be the industry, or it could be climate change, or it could be the use of pesticides… But while it could be all of those things, none of those things fit entirely.

    So even if a whole lot of people are willing to do something to prevent the honey bee population from going poof… We wouldn’t know what to do exactly.

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      My understanding is that honey bees are dying in farmed environments in the USA. Basically farmers will pay these large bee hive companies to bring bees in tractor trailers to their farm and let them out for a period of time to help pollutant their fields. These bees are the ones having record die offs, but from what I understand the die offs are less than the number of new bees being made.

      Basically the efficiency of the corporate farming operation is decreasing, but the captive bee population is fine.

      If someone out there knows better and has source information I would love to be corrected.

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      3 days ago

      If enough individual people who own land with yards grew native plants and flowering bushes and stopped using so much pesticide outside, it would make a huge difference.

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        It would do wonders but not for this issue. The only bees that are dying are industrially farmed bees. Making it somehow your fault is another amazing trick by thr corpos to shift the blame for what they do on people who has nothing to do with it.
        Stop doing lawns is a good idea though, regardless

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          Making it somehow your fault is another amazing trick by thr corpos to shift the blame for what they do on people who has nothing to do with it.

          If you have a better plan that individual people can do who don’t want to fight corporations, be sure to put in the same effort to spread those ideas as well.

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            3 days ago

            If you have a better plan that individual people can do who don’t want to fight corporations

            Yes. The plan is very simple - stop not wanting to fight corporations (in a broad sense, sometimes it’s not just corporations, I’m oversimplifying here).
            No individual effort can be meaningful as long as there are corpos with the desire to see the line go up on the other side. You can’t “vote with your dollar” if the choices you presented with are controlled by profit seeking, you can’t “do your small part” if you don’t have neither means nor understanding of what even needs to be done. If you don’t buy high fructose corn sirup, it will be bought with your money without your input in the matter. That sort of thing.
            The unfortunate and very unfair thing is that individual can do things worse for themselves and for the community they’re part of, this power we have and nobody is taking it from us. But a person can’t fix what’s broken by the uncaring leviathan of profit seeking, that can only be fixed collectively.

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            3 days ago

            Not in more significant numbers that any other life around, and for entirely understood reasons.

  • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    In North America, honey bees are an invasive species that cannot effectively pollinate native plants, but compete with native pollinators for resources and spread disease. They only exist here to make money for their owner while degrading our collective environment. When you hear about honey bee colonies collapsing, that is perversely a GOOD THING.

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      Do you have a source on this? First I’ve read about honey bees being invasive.

      If the claim were about yellow jackets I would believe it as they are still pollenators but not as effective as honey bees. Not to mention I see way more wasps, hornets and yellow jackets than honey bees combined in a single season. I’ll see maybe one honey bee (if I’m lucky) a year in northern Ohio, but the latter are everywhere up here.

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        This guy is a giant wasp, don’t listen to him. He’s just trying to distract you so he can drink all the soda in your house

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        Most people don’t go out of their way to learn about animal exploitation. But you definitely SHOULD. Please look it up and report back to us what you learned.

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          Hmmm, make claim on internet. Don’t back up claim. Insisit I do my own research. Pretty Trolly take stranger.

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            I’m sorry you feel that way, but it’s really in your own interest. And the interest of those you are unknowning cruel and violent to. The capitalist-built world that we exist within is designed such that if YOU do not go out of your way to learn about animal exploitation, YOU WILL be cruel and violent to vulnerable individuals who live in a constant state of atrocity.

            So, you didn’t look into it, you don’t have anything to report back, but you DID take more of your time and my time to try to start shit.

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              Maybe try stepping outside of “the capitalist world we live in” and instead help those asking for help, instead of telling them the equivalent of “good luck, find out for yourself”. If you have knowledge worth sharing, then I suggest you share it when others ask.

              Someone else did respond to me with a link which was informative and gave me the proper information I requested, which was very eye opening to your original statement.

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      I would do further reading on this, and not just rely on the “hot take” from one progressive youtuber. It’s a lot more nuanced and complicated than this.