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this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.
liberals like to decorate themselves with the nimbus of morality but when it comes to stepping up to fascism and protesting even if it’s not like a fun parade but serious and uncomfortable. Or just if the weather is bad.
Or when it comes to being self critical about your own learned patterns of behavior and thinking… they are nowhere to be seen, not to be relied on and it does real damage, as we can see.
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I wish reading platitudes could make me feel superior to others
I have the perfect quote for you:
this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.
Obviously I am making a bit of a joke on TOs cost here. Should be no problem for TO after making such broad statements.
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That’s not IO
What? It’s a common saying.
You’re on a giant fucking high horse.
That’s what sets leftists apart from liberals.
We’ve got too many people thinking they live in a fucking movie
It’s just like that one movie
I feel like you’d have to be on a giant to fuck a giraffe but I have no practical experience
I don’t agree with the last bit. What you do is what you are. But the rest is good.
To quote Chidi from the good place:
Well, principles aren’t principles when you pick and choose when you’re going to follow them.
It is literally saying that your values are what you do even when no one is watching, meaning not picking and choosing/
If you need to clear your nose out, then when other people aren’t watching you might well be picking …
Or wiping my ass, which I don’t do in front of other people either. It isn’t referring to every literal thing we do.
The context is about whether someone does the right thing when not being watched. As on their virtues aren’t just performative.
I was specifically making a wordplay joke about the word “picking” … never mind.
It doesn’t really work in the context as written, but now I see what you are going for. If you had gone with ‘…choosing to be picking’ I probably would have caught it.
Ok but what about people with performative virtues who place themselves in situations where they’re expected to perform virtuously? For instance, things like alchoholics anonymous or Mike Johnson’s Covenent Eyes app? ( https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/11/01/mike-johnson-son-abstinence-partners/ )
I miss mister Adagonye!
Lot of wanking going on here. Is this a fetish?
It’s social media, so of course they’re wanking/rubbing. Don’t kink-shame. 😄
Most people dont have consistent morals that they live to. For most people they just do whats moral most of the time and thats good enough for them. There is a serious lack of self awareness in reading this post and thinking it applies to you.
this is what really sets leftists apart from liberals imo.
Tsk tsks, politicking on a meme sub for shame. Anyway leftists on this site are a joke. Half the “leftists” on this site say they want socialism and then go on to describe 1:1 the current liberal society that they live in. The other half are indistinguishable from neo nazi’s. Reminder that while Liberals were defeating fascism in WW2 leftists joined them.
You mean the guys selling weapons to Nazis until they realised the communists were winning?
Before Pearl Harbor, the U.S. was officially neutral but provided significant support to allies, particularly through the Lend-Lease program, which aided countries like Britain and China. The U.S. also imposed trade restrictions on Japan and increased military preparedness as tensions escalated globally.
Western powers declared war shortly after the invasion of Poland.
a non-aggression pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, with a secret protocol establishing Soviet and German spheres of influence across Eastern Europe
Under the Secret Additional Protocol of 23 August 1939, Germany and the Soviet Union agreed to partition Poland; Latvia, Estonia, Finland and Bessarabia were allotted to the Soviet sphere, while Lithuania – apart from the Vilnius region, whose “interests” were recognized – lay in the German sphere (Lithuania – including the Vilnius region, but excluding a strip of land – was only transferred to the Soviet sphere by the 28 September 1939 Boundary and Friendship Treaty)
A week after signing the pact, on 1 September 1939, Germany invaded Poland. On 17 September, one day after a Soviet–Japanese ceasefire came into effect after the Battles of Khalkhin Gol, and one day after the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union approved the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, Stalin, stating concern for ethnic Ukrainians and Belarusians in Poland, ordered the Soviet invasion of Poland.
Germany unilaterally terminated the pact at 03:15 on 22 June 1941 by launching a massive attack on the Soviet Union in Operation Barbarossa.
Soviets were fine with the Germans until the Germans turned against them.
I’m one of those leftists. Or rather socialists if we are going to get theoretical about it.
I am here to tell you that you are wrong. Socialists and liberals even share values. Where we break is not on indiviual morality. It is on principles of universial equality. But most importantly socialists see structural causes for inequality. And collective action as the only way out of it.
While worldview have a tendency to govern individual action, so does socio-economic situation and background and a lot of lesser factors.
Ideology or even organisation doesn’t make individuals act less shitty, hopefully esducation does.
“What I do when no one’s watching, when it’s hard?” 👀
While I agree with the rest, “your values are who you are” sounds very reductive. We are not one single aspect, not just our values, or thoughts, or emotions, or actions, but the dynamic system of them all.
not everyone can afford to have their actions match their values aye
Your values are who you are when you get to think about what you want to be. They are what you’re proud of, and they are what allow you to look upon your actions positively. Your values and principles are the foundation everything else is built on.
People will certainly judge your actions, and that’s fair for them to do much of the time, but if your actions and your values are so disconnected that the difference comes into play so strongly then you might need to read the post over a few more times.
Your values and principles are the foundation everything else is built on.
I would say our life experiences are the foundation that our values are then developed on. People in different circumstances will likely end up with different values (or even if broadly the same values, they will prioritise them differently).
People will certainly judge your actions, and that’s fair for them to do much of the time, but if your actions and your values are so disconnected that the difference comes into play so strongly then you might need to read the post over a few more times.
I wasn’t commenting because of my personal experiences, but because I’ve read about life stories of others where they had to act in ways that went contrary to their values. Like when they are stuck in an abusive family or relationship dynamic, or in a job where they have to act unethically to be able to afford housing and food. During the pandemic I’ve come across the concept of moral injury which seems to refer to similar situations.
Well there is a certain point where most people’s morals are going to fail. What sets people apart is where that point is.
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I mean, are they? When I think of centrists I see people who are constantly saying “I want to do this great thing and all but…” right before spouting some feels-based economic bullshit for why we shouldn’t take care of others.
I live in Canada where we have a left, a center, and a right. The left party was thrown in the bin by voters so that they could “strategically” vote for the centrists in order to avoid the far-right. Now we have a party that is pouring money into private business and gutting our environment for some short-term gains but because they don’t overtly hate gay people somehow that’s ok. They lied to us about getting a better voting specifically because they are the only party that benefits from FPTP here and then we just let them get away with it.
Centrists are worse than conservatives, in my opinion and in the context of the longterm, because the only thing they ever genuinely succeed at on their own is massively delaying progress and causing further shifts toward to the right. They’re worthless idiots at best and modt of the time are straight-up malicious liars who want the image of a progressive without doing anything truly positive.
Fuck “centrists”; they’re just conservatives who are too chicken-shit to say it outloud.
Like claiming to be against ICE but then not even being slightly inconveniensed to not support companies that support them.
I always return the shopping cart to the proper place.
Like how France Italy and Greece didn’t arrest Netanyahu when he flew over their airspace.
They don’t really believe in upholding the international law
Sometimes caring about your own comes first. I know, shocking, right? Imagine the drama this would have caused, Trump would invoke military threats to free Netanyahu. It’s just not worth the conflict and you know he will walk away anyway.
Did you read the post you’re commenting on?
These countries are part of NATO.
NATO is an alliance against external threats. We’re talking about internal conflicts. Did you miss the part where Trump threatened Canada and Denmark, both being NATO members?
Article 5 can be invoked if one NATO member attacks another.
That’s literally false, go and read article 5. It explicitly says external threats, not internal. In this case, Article 1 applies, which is actually about internal conflicts., but it simply says that any conflicts should be resolved peacefully, not that other members have any obligation to get involved.
Article 5 doesn’t mention internal or external threats https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/introduction-to-nato/collective-defence-and-article-5
Because other articles already clarified that. If one law says “drinking is illegal”, another law does not need to say “drinking while being with friends is illegal”
It normally goes 1…2…3…, so if 1 already says something, 5 does not need to repeat something about being exclusively external.
In Anthropology, it’s called the Observer Effect. It’s a simple premise that people act differently when they know they’re being watched.
’ Progressive except Palestine"
Classic liberals.
