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She is one of the best movie baddies, and her name is marvellous.
I recently rewatched the original and had forgotten just how well they portray her evil. Even as an adult I was actively repulsed the same way I would be if I met her in real life. Classic Disney definitely had some incredible villain writing.
The cartoon or the live action
Cartoon is the one I rewatched. I remember the old live action also being good though.
Glenn Close played it flawlessly.
Glenn Close is flawless and Horace and Jasper are played by the Weasley father and Dr. House. Names escape me today
I haven’t seen the movie since I was a kid, but I did rewatch clips of it and she does genuinely come off as an extremely unpleasant person.
You might even say that she’s somewhat cruel.
Didn’t they make one recently where they tried to spin the villain solely known for turning puppies into purses as good?
Cruella was excellent, in my opinion of course 😁
Yeah and it’s pretty good I thought. Shits on the old story but I care not.
The movie itself is excellent. However there is one horrible almost meme like scene where dalmatians run into a fancy party and kill Cruella’s mother. If you ignore that scene, it’s a great movie.
It might actually be a good thing that they made the dalmatians seem very mean/vicious.
The original movies were so popular that it actually caused a big problem for the breed. Many people got dalmatians without doing their research first. They’re a very active breed, and require lots of exercise. Without proper exercise and socialization, they can become quite the trouble makers and this kind of gave them a bad reputation…
Without proper exercise and socialization, they can become quite the trouble makers
that’s pretty much true of any dog… but I guess dalmatians even more so?
Not really “more so” just “more likely to become” as the minimum requirements are higher and thus easier to fail to meet.
I wouldn’t call her entrepreneurially minded. She fully intended just to make a single coat and keep it herself. If she were intending on making it a business, she should have been setting up a Dalmatian farm with the 101 puppies and then mass produce the coats. Inbreeding health defects don’t matter all that much when you’re just gonna be skinning any puppies born within weeks.
Ah, a player of Dwarf Fortress.
Or Rimworld
This is something Christi Noem would say about 101 Dalmatians….
You miss 101% of the shots you don’t take.
Just 100 Dalmatians for her
The comic may be a joke, but I feel like this is an issue in diversity.
Take an author who has three characters. They want better representation, so one white character becomes black.
But, it turns out that character gives a third-act betrayal. Now it’s playing up the theme that black people are deceptive and untrustworthy.
Or, they try making the second character a woman. In a key conflict, that character pulls a very stupid move that lets the bad guys get away and results in an exciting chase scene. Now it evokes the idea that women are stupid and ill-suited to detective/enforcement work.
I really want a world where we can safely set up characters for moments of failure, evil, etc, without large crowds either feeling offended, feigning offense, or worse, taking it as validation of their bigotry.
Weirdly, there’s a relevant XKCD that summarizes this really quite well:
when hasnt there been a relevant xkcd 😂
I don’t get why it’s always assumed that a particular character is intended to represent an entire gender or race.
One of the ones I remember the most is in the original COD4: Modern Warfare. A blog highlighted so savagely the fact that your squad is sent down to rescue a female chopper pilot who’s been downed and wounded. Then, a nuke goes off, killing everyone, suggesting they could have gotten out of the blast radius if they didn’t save her - meaning a woman in distress was the death of the whole squad. The blog lambasted Infinity Ward for giving such a horrible treatment to the game’s only major female character.
Of course, that’s a relatively disingenuous interpretation. That same mission has you rescuing whole squads of pinned soldiers moments before (all men). The chopper pilot gets her great moments of heroism in the process. And it’s very likely the writers intended for the squad to be killed by a nuke no matter what happens.
And there have probably been COD games out there with NO notable women in them. So somehow, the move to include one in this particular game struck them as worse than if they’d done nothing at all.
That’s crazy. She was a woman combat helicopter pilot? That sounds pretty bad-ass to me. I don’t see how that’s “horrible treatment”.
The movie Tallulah, I watched it completely hungover and one thing I noticed is that there is only 1 guy in the movie and he solves EVERYTHING by just being the only rational person. There’s a lot of things happening between all the girls in the movie but there is one angle where it really looks like “girls crazy, man rational”
Tallulah
I haven’t seen it but I do like Allison Janney. I’ll have to check it out.
I really want a world where we can safely set up characters for moments of failure, evil, etc, without large crowds either feeling offended, feigning offense, or worse, taking it as validation of their bigotry.
It’s a real Heads-I-Win / Tails-You-Lose game, because the White Male Anti-Hero gets the exact opposite treatment. If you make a Sopranos or a Wolf of Wall Street or a Fight Club, the very obviously corrupt and villainous lead character somehow ends up being this celebrity icon for reactionaries.
The same people complaining that John Boyega and Daisy Ridley ruined Star Wars will come out cheering for Adam Driver while claiming Imperialism is cool now.
Anything that makes a story exciting or different - the ups and downs of the story arc, characters with personal flaws or quirks, foreign settings and distinct cultures, non-English languages, non-CisHet romances - become at once implicit indictments of the out groups and charming complements toward the in-groups.
And a lot of that just boils down to the critics themselves. Far-right media amplifying its megaphone year after year, until we’re deaf from their screamed opinions. There’s no right answer for a film maker or story writer when the designated state-sanctioned censors and corporate flaks are all patriarchal white nationalists.
Yeah this tends to also create the problem a lot of writers fall into when having a more diverse cast where non white cis male characters come off as too perfect. They can’t make mistakes, big or small, cause they’re worried about the examples you gave (not saying you’re implying this). I know I’ve heard from a lot of people on the topic of representation that they’d loveless perfect representation, but that’s a hard thing to walk especially if funds aren’t allocated to maybe get a consultant on the team that could help represent that group without it being stereotyped.
I like how the recent movies had Cruella step on another villain-coded woman to get to the top.
How else are you going to do another pre-prequel where we find out the villain-coded woman of that movie was herself just a strong female and a product of harsh circumstances?
Also didn’t Cruella employ two career criminals and literally stole the puppies and even complained that there were cops all over the place looking for her and her two stupid henchmen?
Yeah, sounds like capitalism to me
Yeah theft is illegal under capitalism.
Capitalism is theft.
It’s only illegal for you because you’re not in the owner class.
Capitalism is theft.
Grow the fuck up, dude.
It’s only illegal for you because you’re not in the owner class.
No, stealing 101 puppies is not “legal” if you’re rich. Fucking embarrassing.
Grow the fuck up, dude.
Oh, I have. Maybe try reading a book.
No, stealing 101 puppies is not “legal” if you’re rich. Fucking embarrassing.
Oh hey look wat 3 seconds on google found me: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/02/george-santos-puppy-theft-charge-from-2017-resurfaces
Dude literally stole a bunch of puppies (among like a thousand awful things), and is now out free.
same with Ursula
I understand their liking of her. Ursula basically makes a living taking advantage of insecure and/or highly vulnerable people and giving them extremely disadvantageous contracts and approaching them in their most vulnerable moment.
In short, she is everything what every grifter is to a T.
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THIS. Honestly.
Cruella DeVille, Cruella DeVille,
If she doesn’t scare you,
No evil thing will!
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Valid, but the focus on it, uh…I’m increasingly getting the feeling that our wonderful, lefty heaven is actually incel.
Excuse me, someone please tell me Lemmy isn’t incel.
Username relevant.
Its definitely an extension of 4chan as much as it is reddit.
Neither of those are beating the accusations though.
Villians are often queer coded, so I’m obligated to side with Cruella sorry, pongo and perditia better run
What the fu… oh, a lemmy.ml account, never mind.
OK, so you read the person’s comment and had 2 possible conclusions, 1. That they advocate murdering puppies. 2. They’re making a joke about pinkwashing similar to OP, and you went with 1, because of their instance.
Am I understanding this correctly?
