What in the fake news is this source ??
I feel like if you made a Venn diagram between Lemmy users and Linux users, it would just be a circle. I say this as also a Linux enjoyer.
I don’t see what relevance that comment has to mine. Why did you write this?
I’m a lemmy user, I don’t currently use linux. So your point is not correct.
More importantly, I wasn’t saying anything about linux users, I’m pointing out the the source that was posted is a blogspam non-reputable source.
Many games are still not functional on Linux. Here is a link showing which ones aren’t just due to their anti-cheat features. That doesn’t include games that aren’t compatible for other reasons.
It’s pretty rare to find a game that doesn’t work for a reason that isn’t anticheat. I would say the few that are incompatible definitely classify as the exception and not the rule.
If you can find a game that doesn’t work on Linux at this point not due to anti cheat that would be honestly rather impressive.
I’m not playing any games with anticheat and I’m working so much I only play single player. Linux won for me
game companies are entrenched, tools, libraries, think hardware emulation layers like DirectX. and installed os monopoly. linux exists because of diy types unwilling to pay someone else to do it. if you know how, make lusers pay you to do it for them. they can’t understand the details. wasting your breath
Gee, I wonder what went wrong…
Title implies a big move, pretty far from the steady growth their sources say and that they explain throughout the article. But I guess a more honest title like “Linux among gamers sees new record after continuous steady growth” isn’t as click-worthy.
Why the hell is Gates on that image?? The guy stepped down as a CEO 26 years ago, and left the board of directors six years ago.
The enshittification is all Nadela’s baby.
You somehow made me aware Gates had to use either an UNIX derivative (iPhone) or a Linux derivative (Android) daily.
I’d assume that for the majority of his career he was using something like Series 20 OS (Nokia’s proprietary OS) or the BlackBerry OS (before it was rewritten to be based on UNIX-like QNX).
But since then, yeah. There are literally no other options since MS killed Windows Mobile with prejudice.
Did you ever use windows before XP?
Friend, I used computers before DOS.
The right never lets go of anything. Ever
i switched over to Bazzite about a week ago, and it has been super frustrating. though it’s not in where you think. the game my group is playing (Arc Raiders) worked without a hitch.
- but my speaker system, and microphone forced me to learn a whole lot about USB hand shakes,
- ghost usb profiles,
- usb cable choice,
- what a flatpac is and why people hate it,
- nano eccentricities (including how to save and quit, just labeling ctrl-o as save and not overwrite would stop so much bs),
- sink states,
- device name resolution,
- pipewire,
- pipe plumber,
- pipe wire holding devices hostage,
- usb power flapping because i plugged my speakers and my mic to close to each other causing the os to just give up on the both of them.
- the timing of when the os asks for usb identifiers, verses when the usb devices are given power
- out dated guides relying on depreciated methods and acceptable code used in modifiers to os procedure.
my experience and days of trouble shooting the “easy” replacement os for gaming has frightened my friend group far away from linux.
what a flatpac is and why people hate it,
Huh, most people actually like Flatpak, and for good reasons too.
Most people do like flatpaks, I use them because I use Kinonite and Atomic Budgie, but there are those people that don’t like them or any other 3rd party universal packaging format. it’s kind of a Luddite attitude if you ask me.
If you know what flatseal is and how to set permissions, it gets a lot better.
I am super thankful for flatpaks. I do wish I understood things a little better in flat seal though. can do some basics but I don’t know or understand what 95% of the flat seal options are for a given piece of software or why some of the fixes I’ve put in from when I’m googling a problem actually work.
Flatseal, flat sweep, and warehouse will manage all your flatpaks as you see fit. And Gear Lever for managing all your appImages.
Or KDE’s built-in Flatpak permissions settings. But yeah I guess, it’s mostly needed for applications that haven’t adopted to the new Portal API’s yet which is the better solution, but this works for now until applications have updated.
i could not get them to play nice with the hardware, pipewire, or each other. and they don’t like being messed with
Exact opposite experience here, coming from using Linux as toy desktops for the past few years. My main PC is EndeavourOS, and my gaming laptop is Bazzite. Bazzite has been a really good hands off “just works” distro that I don’t have to think about.
i think the real issue is my computer has been silently suffering for all these years as windows just didn’t tell me my hardware is borked and old. and just has a shot gun full of code that fixes whatever it can stick to. and Bazzite either does not have that, or i fell into an exception in use due to hatred and old hardware.
but getting into the weeds was very difficult, and my desk is not as flat as it once was
nano is the Fishcer Price’s My First Text Editor and you’re expected to quickly graduate to something that sucks way more
I know I’m supposed to go that way, but I went the other 🙃. I’ve been using micro and it has been awesome working with my mouse when I want. What is more basic than Fisher Price? A teething set of plastic keys?
A blankie.
I tried to like vim. But nano just works.
Nano is good for quick things and I rather like it. And I’ve been using VIM for years.
i can only imagine the horrors of what button combination i need to save and close and get my terminal back on the next one…
This is actually an ancient UNIX trope.
q :q :q! ^Z # kill -9 $!from what i gather that means you reach for the 9mm when you don’t know how to say please?
Kill all 9 lives
I just installed cachyos after using mint for a year. Overall, was smooth until i tried to use VLC. Video played fine, but an hour of settings later and i could finally hear the movie. I was an inch from saying fuck it and going back to mint. I debug software for a living, last thing i want to deal with is debugging my personal computer when I just want to watch a movie.
May go back at some point, mint really is so easy and just worked, but the performance and aur are pretty great.
My sound doesnt work on cachy either.
That sucks! At least for me, mint just worked.
Interesting. I’ve been using Linux for nearly 6 years now, and I can definitely relate to pipewire and audio related issues (I’m a musician so I’ve suffered much in that area), but I can’t say I’ve struggled so much with devices. I wonder if those are Bazzite specific issues or if our setups are just different.
i’m my case i am using apparently old hardware, i ran into the following issues with my set up:
- my usb cable for the mic was crap. and because the signal was flaky, Bazzite put the port on low priority mode where it only checks in when asked
- the usb cable was insufficient to push the data, i swear it came with the mic. still thing this was a dubious conclusion, but a new cable was 5$
- Bazzite would ask my USB speaker and mic within milliseconds of receiving power what their designation was, and the controllers in the devices responded so slowly that Bazzite gave them new names and put them in passive mode. i had to bake in the command to treat that like legacy equipment (ouch) to sit and listen for a reply however long it takes.
- the speakers are flipped in meat space, due to outlets and the length of available cable, i can not change this, so i had to flip it in software, i was recommended easyeffects, but pipewire hated its guts, and i was better off learning to bake it in via the terminal after i was able to find the devices actual name once i got them out of passive jail above.
- i had to bin the flat pack versions of discord and my web browser Vivaldi. don’t want to get into a browser war i have had enough trying to siphon through redacted reddit posts about that
won’t lie i had to use AI to RTFM though chat GPT bricked my stuff more then i should have let it. gemini was better at this
Wow you certainly learned a lot trouble shooting that.
I haven’t had something that annoying happen, usually it’s been install and use.
BUT putting Linux on an ancient dell box was a learning experience. I installed the system on the HDD. After shutdowns the aystem would wake back up. The solution was adding kernel quirks line to grub boot with a numeric code, which told the hardware to ignore the self wake up event from the USB bus.
Then when I wanted speed the bios didn’t support NVME boot. So I had to add a small ssd for boot partition , but have rest of system on the NVME drive. I didn’t want to reinstall and resetup so I was learning a lot about gparted and copy pasting partitions and editting fstab to cobble together a replicated set of partitions. It was a great way to understand how formatting, partitioning and mounts all worked.
mine it set to never let the usb sleep. the hub or device ubs controls HATE going to sleep only to wake up on time
Another data point to add. I’ve started using Bazzite and introduced it to my brother. The only hitch I’ve noticed is not being able to play stuff like the new Battlefield.
It is by far the easiest operating system to install, keep updated, and run basic apps and play games on. Flatpaks are great. Brew is good for CLI tools. AppImages are another alternative to Flatpaks that work well. Steam comes pre-installed, and most games run well.
There are no ads, no AI, no dark patterns. It’s just a simple operating system that keeps itself updated.
Where it starts to get complicated is if you want to do anything off the beaten path. In fact, Bazzite is much more complicated than something like Fedora or Debian if you need to do anything like this. Because you need to worry about either layering with
rpm-ostree, or creating your own base image with a Containerfile (FROM bazzite). But my examples of these are installing GhosTTY (non AppImage), Paretto Security, and 1Password SSH Daemon/op. Most people will never need to do these.I’m a software engineer, and I’ve found that for the most part, Bazzite is good enough to run on my gaming pc and work pcs.
I’m sorry you had such a bad first experience with it.
i think i learned that there was a lot wrong with my set up that windows just shoved under the rug. and maybe windows is right to do so, figuring i was willing to dig in deep this time, but my friends… not so much, and i don’t think i have the capability to help them if they run into issues like i did.
the reason ‘I’ learned to dislike flat packs is that it puts the software in its own little isolation bubble from what i understand. and i get where people are coming from. but they REALLY don’t like connecting to hardware, or sharing nice with other apps.
keep in mind i am a fairly adroit user of windows, diving in head first, so a lot of this is learning the hard way (nano anyone?) and i learned a lot. but yea bumpy.
Literally every time im gonna go play a game with friends my computer decides to bw stupid, and it puts them all off linux even more lol.
I saw in a recent Youtube video that between web services and AI, Windows licencing is only about 10% of Microslop’s business.
IDK if that number is true, but it sure would explain how much they’ve put into user experience. Does anyone use Windows because they like it?
I saw in a recent Youtube video that between web services and AI, Windows licencing is only about 10% of Microslop’s business.
That’s correct. Here’s some data on Microsoft’s revenue:
40% Server Products and Cloud Services 22% Office Products and Cloud Services 10% Windows 9% Gaming 7% LinkedIn 5% Search and News AdvertisingIDK if that number is true, but it sure would explain how much they’ve put into user experience.
It does but it’s really short-sighted from MS’s part. Sure, Windows might be only 10% of its business, but the other 90% heavily rely on it. Or rather on Windows being a monopoly on desktop OSes; without that people Windows servers, Office and MS “cloud services” (basically: we shit on your computer so much you need to use ours) wouldn’t see the light of the day.
Azure has support for Linux servers. They’ve even made an effort to port Dotnet to Linux. A majority of their cloud infrastructure is Linux it seems.
I did back in the XP days. Long, loooong ago…
I wouldn’t be surprised. Desktop revenue has been a pretty small slice for their revenue long before AI was a thing. Their main drivers were server products and O365, and now AI and Azure are also pushing a lot of revenue.
Direct revenue through Windows sales might be low, but I suspect Windows is still important to drive people to buy One Cloud, office 365 etc subscriptions. So when people move away to Linux, the other services should become less profitable with some time delay
Most likely. The majority of MS products and services are interconnected in some way.
I don’t think the number is indicative of quality. The office suite is their bread and butter (alongside Azure) and Teams is a steaming pile of shit.
i like windows 7
88 comments and nobody has noted that the article itself looks like AI slop?
Lots of signals here: the writing style, bland and wishy-washy use of statistics, bullets and formatting that arbitrarily organize without adding value, the rule-of-threes clauses, and redundant details, the intro summary list, the lack of sourcing links, and “written” by an author whose bio specifically mentions AI.
I specifically looked for backup to the assertion about higher FPS and it’s just a random unsourced percentage. Maybe it’s true but this article has no value as a source.
Bold to assume that anyone is reading more than the title haha
God damn slop fuckin everywhere. Tnx man.
Did this last May & haven’t missed much. I don’t play AAA slop though.
I’m thinking about going dual boot mode soon, as Manjaro is a godsend so far on my ThinkPad.
Just remember to have your installs on independant hard drives, not just partitions.
If you have set your mind to Manjaro I don’t want to dissuade you, but if you are not yet strongly convinced of the distro I always like to point out that there were some issues with the distribution in the past (someone collected them here).
If you’re just after an Arch-like distribution I think EndeavourOS is a very friendly distro without adding their own repositories on top of Arch. But again - if you’re happy with Manjaro by all means also stay with it.
I have been over 1 year in EndeavourOS and I can’t complain, no issues at all except when I screw up.
I’ve only been using it for a few weeks now, but I’m having a great time with EndeavourOS. I’ve tried Linux every now and then for over 20 years now, but always bounced off for one reason or another. This time, I’ve never felt any desire to go back.
For me, my use case, and my hardware, EOS has been significantly less of a headache than Windows 11 was.
I am a Debian user, most of my homelab is on Debian but my desktop is on EndeavourOs, neither has any bullshit.
What does screwing up mean in this context?
Edited some files and had trouble login in, had to go live iso and edit them back.
EndeavourOS, CachyOS, and Bazzite are back-up options in case I need to distro hop.
Which distro did you end up going with? Wanted to change my tower over from Windows. Guessing bazzite is appropriate?
I’d suggest trying a couple through live ISOs to see what works best out of the box with your hardware. I settled on CachyOS and definitely recommend it. Bazzite is ok, very stable, but keep in mind it is immutable which may hamper its abilities as a full desktop.
Oh it’s immutable? Damn.
That explains some shit.
How do I go about switching to CachyOS? Just wipe the NVME and run an installer?
Yeah I’d wipe it if you’re going to switch, always less headaches that way. CachyOS has a lot of options so I’ll throw my 2 cents out there, I set it up with btrfs file system and the limine bootloader because it automatically sets up snapshots so you can roll back if something gets borked. It’s also easier to get secure boot working with limine if you’re trying to dual boot.
Arch was described as hard mode but I installed EndeavourOS with KDE Plasma about a month and a half ago and it’s been smooth sailing. Given all the programs I use have native linux clients and I don’t play kernel level anti-cheat games at all.
The ArchWiki is the best hand-holding that you’re going to get on Linux, it’s the finest system administration documentation that the OS has available. But Arch doesn’t “do things for you automatically”, that’s not their ethos. So it’s hard mode until you’ve developed enough sysadmin skills to understand what the docs are telling you, and then it’s easy mode because it all works great together and you’ve a phenomenal reference source.
We run SUSE at work; and when SUSE is working, it’s a damn fine Linux - secure by default, up-to-date, efficient. But if it stops working, man alive, I wish we were using Arch instead. (Admittedly, we just redeploy anything on SUSE that stops working, which takes moments, whereas fixing Arch takes a while but at least you can fix it.)
Kubuntu on my main workstation & Linux Mint on everything else.
Not OP. Around same timeline. Went with bazzite for gaming. Have been using bazzite daily since. Stuff just works super easy to install. Also tried and have mint still installed on another partition but haven’t used it much besides the initial installation. And installed dual boot bazzite and mint on my old gaming laptop. Use mint on there daily for internet browsing and such, no gaming. But I’m certain it would work just fine as it’s all pretty much the same besides Debian (mint) Vs Fedora (bazzite).
I don’t play AAA slop either, and a few older easy anti cheat games don’t work. Such as Fawkes revival of Defiance.
Everything else works pre installed with Steam+ proton, Or Ludis + wine, Or the Heroic launcher for GoG, Amazon and EGS.
I do get higher FPS and better temps and less hardware usage than I ever did on Win11 for the same exact games.
What does Bill Gates have to do with Windows nowadays?
Mascot
Dude is retired and giving his money away.
I honestly hated W11 so much that I jumped onto Linux whether I’d be gaming on it or not.
It runs great, but even if it didn’t I wouldn’t go back.
Switched when the OG Steam Machines came out. It wasn’t great then. It wasn’t really good until Proton Steam integration. Became great after the fast iteration with the Steam Deck
I know the hot thing is Bazzite but if you want to use it as a desktop as well, please at least use Fedora Kinoite or Silverblue. Personally I use the latest Kubuntu release so now I’m on Kubuntu 25.10, will upgrade to 26.04 when prompted, do the same with 26.10. Update cycle not so different than the larger windows updates each year. Just that every now and then a new Windows software ports to Linux, it’ll almost always be a deb installer is reason enough to me to prefer Debian based distributions than Fedora or Arch especially for new users. Don’t need to get people to install distrobox and boxbuddy. Kubuntu should just be enabling flatpaks and flathub by default rather than it being a option in the software center settings
I know the hot thing is Bazzite but if you want to use it as a desktop as well, please at least use Fedora Kinoite or Silverblue.
why? other than not being a “main branch” os I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it, it seems quite white glove.
It’s atomic and fedora, which are also the same issues with silverblue and kinoite.
Linux is at a point where we really shouldn’t be using distro specific installers.
Linux was at that point two decades ago. The dogmatic infighting between Linux developers users is ultimately what prevents Linux from being actually useful as a desktop OS.
Lots of duplicated effort happens across the system. Nowadays we have more desktop environments than ever, while the application side still has major gaps.
shouldn’t be using distro specific installers.
We have Flatpak and AppImage, and space isn’t as expensive as it once was. The problem I have is the sandboxing and isolation can make plugins problematic.
I mean, obviously I’m not advocating that you install pipewire or pipewire plugins as appimages.
My last flatpack fight was with OBS. It refused to load external plugins, and also made v4l unsolvable at the time.
Yeah we should just choose a winner and go with their system.
This should be easy!
I think they were getting at Flatpaks, Snaps or AppImages (my personal favourite)
Why do you prefer them to flatpaks? Genuinely curious. I’ve only used appimages once or twice.
They’re portable and don’t require that I install anything. If I’m looking for an odd tool, it’s usually the easiest way to download and test something out. It’s just nice to have a standalone executable.
Flatpaks are fine, I really have no problem with them in theory but I spend twice as long configuring them as I do with a native program, and I have to trust that the maintainer is affiliated with the project, which isn’t always the case.
Yeah, I was referring to AppImages. But flat packs are cool too, they serve a purpose.
You mean like we did with MSDOS?
(Quietly leaves the room)
I liked it back in the day, but I don’t mess with that stuff no more. That’s how you get another GlaDOS.
Yeah pick Gentoos installer. It can do everything.
That is what freedom is about. Anyone can choose to walk their own path to hell as they see fit. Otherwise you just end up with Windows all over again.
That isn’t going to help the average user though. They need hand holding.
Unless you don’t want mass adoption of Linux.
Tossed SteamOS onto my Legion Go last week, and the performance is sooooo much better. I was beginning to wonder why they used such a sharp resolution screen on it because Windows wouldn’t run games very well at the max resolution.
I made the move to Linux about a month ago, and it’s been super smooth (and yes I have an NVIDIA 3080). I went with CachyOS though. The ONLY thing keeping me dual-booting windows though is Cubase (DAW), which is unfortunate but whatever. I don’t really play any games that use EAC / kernel-level anti-cheat so it doesn’t affect me, but is a bummer.
Nice 👌
Have you looked into using Wine or Proton to install Cubase on CachyOS? I see the wine page for it has a few garbage rating for the app, but I imagine that some of the work being done to get the steam games working might carry over to other desktop apps that didn’t work well on Wine in the past.
I’ve attempted to install Cubase using Bottles with no luck. I think the difficulty revolves around audio drivers and such.
Yeah, Linux audio is great when it does work, but a real pain when it doesn’t. Looks like there is some work being done to bridge the DAW gap like https://github.com/microfortnight/yabridge-bottles-wineloader, but I image getting it working will be a bit of a rabbit hole.
Sweet. Well hopefully in the future I’ll be able to get Cubase running and ditch windows entirely.
Cubase works great for example in Hatari
