They aren’t struggling with comprehension, they are being deliberate about misrepresenting the facts.
Most likely both
Yeah, they (OP or whoever told OP about it) probably started reading the paper with a predetermined conclusion and read until they found the data that “supported” it.
They “did their own research”
Yeah, this. They don’t want to know facts. They are actively resisting reality. Doesn’t matter that ~40 people per million per two doses had adverse effects to the vaccine and most likely recovered just fine while hundreds of thousands got sick and died from the disease and who knows how many survived because they were vaccinated.
hundreds of thousands got sick
An estimated 7 million deaths since 2020. About 250 deaths a week in the US on an ongoing basis. And that is just deaths, not serious sickness or long term consequences after being sick.
who knows how many survived because they were vaccinated.
We dont know, but we can estimate. COVID-19 vaccinations averted between 1.4 to 4 million deaths during 2020-2024.
There is concrete evidence that young men should not have been boosted if they had already been infected.
Show the concrete evidence.
There is nothing “Concrete” at all in your claim. In fact, the study makes sure to point out the value of vaccination. If we actually interpret what the data says we should note that the largest increases in risk is after the second dose, and points out that timing of the vaccination is probably a factor. In no way does it say that younger men should not be vaccinated. If anything, waiting longer after a covid infection or not giving the second dose would more closely align any adverse effects with the general population.
the study makes sure to point out the value of vaccination.
I did not mention the value of vaccination
In no way does it say that younger men should not be vaccinated.
And in no way did I say that. I said young men should not be boosted, I.e. second dose.
No, you said there was “concrete evidence” that “young men should not have been boosted”.
That is opinion, and the study makes no corroborating claim to not vaccinate or boost.
This is a hobby with flat Earthers, MAGA, and antivaxxers. They make weird shit up and then pretend to believe it. Numerology. Conspiracy theories. They dont think there is any harm in it and like to troll “the libs” and debate them to waste everyone’s time. The bad thing is that you get a portion of them that start truly believing these tales … we have a few dozen holding US offices now.
i remember the days before conservatives antivaxxers took over the sub, right befor trump was elected. you can actually have a conversation with them, without having them doubling down.
I made a post recently, wondering what we could do to get a larger userbase on lemmy. Many people kept saying “why larger? This size is good”, even though I stated my reason for wanting a larger userbase in the OP.
This post, right here, also shows a benefit of having a larger userbase and something I miss from reddit: actual research scientists coming to the comments explaining the paper and whatnot. I think decreasing the distance from research scientists to the general public is a good idea. And I want them on lemmy. I would love for lemmy to be a little bit less memes and a little bit more… Serious.
But a larger community also means people like that conspiracy poster coming here and degrading the quality of the conversation. It’s a double edged sword. I think we should encourage quality user growth over just quantity. Of course, that’s easier said than done. But my point is that growth in and of itself is a poor measure of success: we want growth of competent users.
Ok, but having more than 3 responders per post in less common communities would be great. Like, not even the writing or art comms get more than that.
Of course, I don’t disagree. I just want to encourage us to seek good comments. You could fill the comment section with 100 low quality posts and it wouldn’t meaningfully improve things.
Sure, as long as we allow good comments with opposing views. We don’t want just an echo chamber filled with good comments. It might sound good but it isn’t healthy long-term.
The sub’s mods deleted the comment too. I see it’s every bit as much of a cesspool as it always was over there
You know the paradox of tolerance? The idea that if you believe in tolerance, then you have to be intolerant of intolerance.
I think this general concept is applicable in many areas. Like, it makes sense to be nonviolent except in preventing more violence.
And in this case, we should all make a giant conspiracy to destroy the places where conspiracy theorists talk to each other.
The paradox disappears the moment, you handle tolerance differently.
Handle it like a social contract that everyone is automatically part of. All are tolerated until they stop tolerating people who are also part of the contract.
Whoever stops tolerating people who are part of the contract loses their “being tolerated privileges”.
Lol
i remember the days when anti-vaxxers or conservatives hadnt taken over the sub. before it turned into a full political conspiracy sub.
Top 1% poster and a top 1% commenter. Reminds me of the quote: “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes”
I was in the hospital with myocarditis after recieving the first shot. Got better after a long recovery. Got the second and third shot as soon as I could. A little hospital times seems worth it when the alternative is permanent brain, lung and heart damage.
Funny, but probably not very fitting to this case, as luckily non of the children in the study pool died:
Across all analyses, there were no COVID-19-related deaths, and fewer than seven COVID-19-related critical care admissions.
That plane should have gotten the chicken pox vaccine!
This sums it up perfectly.
Here is the study under discussion:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40985520/And here is the reddit comment thread:
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1qdxa5z/17_million_children_were_studied_the_results/And just in case anyone wants it - not that there is much value in it - here is the link that was on reddit:
https://x.com/ValerieAnne1970/status/2011141377095246302Weird that the author who responded then deleted their account.
Not weird if they started getting harassed about it.
Or if they were fake. Hard to say.
Cheers!
Thank you.
If COVID infection did increase Myocarditis risk by 40x, wouldn’t you expect to see it in the results?
It’s rare so it probably still makes sense to vaccinate, especially considering the lives saved by herd immunity. How many kids were orphaned because their parents didn’t do so well?
If COVID infection did increase Myocarditis risk by 40x, wouldn’t you expect to see it in the results?
Not if it were 1< in 100,000 to start with.
- Not a meme
- Not a microblog
wait what is reddit then?
Reddit is a link aggregator and forum. There’s no hard line for how many characters is too many to be a microblog, but Reddit’s 40,000 for a post and 10,000 for a comment is plainly disqualifying.
Edit: Oh, but Reddit is also a meme. Case closed; I retract my objection. /s
Reddit’s character limit is to high to be a microblog?
I wasn’t aware of that criteria.Microblogs are differentiated from blogs almost entirely by the short length of their posts (we’re normally talking hundreds of characters); that’s why they’re called “microblogs”. Wikipedia accurately summarizes and properly sources:
Microblogging is a form of blogging using short posts without titles known as microposts or status updates.
I could’ve also invoked titles, but the length difference is so vast that there’s no need.
Reddit categorically fails the micro part, but it even fails the blog part. The whole point of a blog is that you follow an individual account’s writings, and – except for a new, tacked-on, superfluous, barely used feature where you can follow users – Reddit has you follow subforums.
Basically, I’d already be confused about how someone could categorize Reddit as a blog, but to think it’s a microblog is to fundamentally not know what that is.
Edit: just to illustrate the absurdism, the average English word by usage is about 4.5 characters, implying about 8500 words. A single-spaced, 12-point page can fit about 3000 characters, and thus you’re looking at roughly a 13-page, 8500-word essay.
…Reddit is not a blogging platform. Are you not aware a blog is like a public personal journal?
I haven’t had to distinguish either: they felt the same.
Here is information, here is a comment section, and here is a URL to share the information & comment section.
Define: meme
A meme is an idea or phrase that catches on in society and becomes commonplace. It’s not a word invented with the Internet. Any “meme” that hasn’t spread into a widely known idea or phrase is not actually a meme. A picture with words added to it does not automatically make it one.
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Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
Why hidde the usernames? It proven the if someone wants to find it, they will.
If one person wants to find it there’s no problem. It’s when a whole bunch of people all think they’ve been given license to brigade a thread and start cyberbullying someone that things get unpleasant.
Why are dates removed… to make sure this can still be posted in 2056…
Yup. Have to farm that karma… I pointed out a bot account yesterday and got hounded with comments like “yeah? and? and? so what so what?” followed by a ton of downvotes on my other comments
Probably bots programmed to respond to comments that say “bot account”
I thought the “1hr/35m/23m” were the timestamp. Isnt that how reddit does it? Does it actually show hard dates in new forums?
I’m pretty sure you can hover the mouse over to see the hard date/time. I don’t believe the image was altered to hide that info. However, the usernames were removed, so that’s why it does look doctored.
Post is from 2026-01-15T22:01:15Z, comments are from 39 minutes after, and the next level another 12 min after
It’s a top 1% poster too, so you can be sure that entire sub reddit is overflowing with bullshit theories made up by the feeble, unable to understand what they’re looking at
I think this could also be generalized into something like “Conservative struggles with colors other than black, white”
1.7 million children were studied.
No they weren’t. This is statistics.
Their cases were studied, not the children themselves.
And in general myocarditis in children many cases resolve completely all on its own
