Discord announced on Monday that it’s rolling out age verification on its platform globally starting next month, when it will automatically set all users’ accounts to a “teen-appropriate” experience unless they demonstrate that they’re adults.
Users who aren’t verified as adults will not be able to access age-restricted servers and channels, won’t be able to speak in Discord’s livestream-like “stage” channels, and will see content filters for any content Discord detects as graphic or sensitive. They will also get warning prompts for friend requests from potentially unfamiliar users, and DMs from unfamiliar users will be automatically filtered into a separate inbox.
Direct messages and servers that are not age-restricted will continue to function normally, but users won’t be able to send messages or view content in an age-restricted server until they complete the age check process, even if it’s a server they were part of before age verification rolled out. Savannah Badalich, Discord’s global head of product policy, said in an interview with The Verge that those servers will be “obfuscated” with a black screen until the user verifies they’re an adult. Users also won’t be able to join any new age-restricted servers without verifying their age.
Badalich also says after the October data breach, Discord “immediately stopped doing any sort of age verification flows with that vendor” and is now using a different third-party vendor.
Oh thanks, it’s fixed
The ID is immediately deleted. We do not keep any information around like your name, the city that you live in, if you used a birth certificate or something else, any of that information.
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Oh yeah it’s totally deleted from that one server! Of course all information is kept for “quality and training purposes” and to hand over to palantir and whoever is willing to pay.
Now what sort of unethical corporate greed machine would do that?
. . . All of them?
Oh. Oh dear.
“we use industry standard privacy practices”
e.g. your privacy is our payday.
Just like they deleted it from the last provider
And for advertising so that they can bucket you accordingly.
Gotta juice the B2B spigot for the upcoming IPO
Of course, but they also derive demographic information from all the texts, links, communities you interact with.
Now they’ll have verifiable racial characteristics to target you with customized ads that look like you. It’s definitely more effective.
It’s a horrible company that preys on youth.
Well, you need to understand, Palantir needs a library for their facial recognition software. What if those young people refused to take advantage of the smartphone biometrics? Don’t they know it is for their security??? /s
If this was true, then they would have no problem with agreeing to paying us $50 mil each in the event of a data breach, since it could never happen, right?
None of the companies pulling this shit are offering a good enough product to be worth it.
Minecraft, though…
And no, VoxelLibre is not a good replacement. They need to fix their UI first so it doesn’t look like a 2004 app
Minecraft Java is (now) a source available (I dont know if thats the right term, but new java edition versions are now completely deobfuscated.) game where anyone can either play offline or spin up their own server to play multiplayer, even with no connection to mojang’s servers. I dont think its a big concern. There’s already a mod for Java to just remove the age verification.
Also, there isnt really an alternative for a game. There are only other similiar in genre games.
I just bought keys for my tiny kids and hosted a world for us. It was no problem except for the Microsoft part I Hated that part but once set up now it’s no problem
U can pirate Minecraft in this case just easy I think it justifies
Yeah, but you can’t play on whitelisted servers if you pirate Minecraft
Yeah true but if u wanna play with friends on own server it not problem
People love sharing porn in discord tho. That’s why this is happening.
No. That’s the excuse for why it’s happening.
Ok, let’s say it is. They just want to invade our privacy. Now set that aside.
On a separate topic: What’s an alternative solution for the “there’s porn on the playground” problem that discord has? They are participants in it, they are facilitators. They shouldn’t be immune. Giving platforms a pass on things like this is pernicious. Giving platforms a pass is why Elon Musk thinks he can get away with CSAM generators.
Are platforms responsible for the content their users post? No. Rules for unusual situations (CSAM, terrorism, copyright, etc) have been established for probably decades by this point.
An online chat/message board is not comparable to an image generator because the company is not creating potentially harmful content.
I think it has become increasingly clear that letting platforms off the hook has been really bad for society across the world across many dimensions. We need something in the middle of zero responsibility and full responsibility.
Yet Pirate bay is…?
These are actually separate issues. TPB isn’t legally responsible for theft if someone leaks an unreleased song. But, the publishing company can sue them for damages related to lost income based on TPB’s distribution of content.
But we have established, for centuries, that platform owners are not liable for what their users publish…?
Boycott the platform. No one’s gonna rescue the end user anymore. There’s no more oversight. Remove yourself from the ecosystem and encourage healthier alternatives.
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I don’t disagree. We need better tools for this.
The problem is making sure these tools are not used as tools of the state for tracking.
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Parents should try parenting for once instead of relying on the government to (use them as a thinly veiled excuse to) implement draconian monitoring on their populace.
Why do that when government and corporations can do it for them? It’s going to be their kids / property anyway.
Right, it’s weird that parents let kids play on platforms that have porn on them. Something needs to be done, maybe we should go after the parents instead.
Or is the answer just saying parents should do something and then do nothing? We need a clever solution that does not involve sharing proof of identity… any ideas? Banning adult content completely would work too.
Never let kids access this site, littered with porn access
Why doesn’t twitter have to do this?
Because Elon Musk loves mixing kids and porn.
Edit: it’s so fucking stupid and contradictory that this comment has upvotes and my other comments in this thread don’t.
They all say the same thing. Mixing kids and porn is weird. Discord mixes kids and porn too. Elon just enjoys it.
And he’s politically connected enough to get away with it. Discord isn’t
He likes his Twitter users how he likes his scotch.
Russian, computerized, and fake?
12 years old and mixed up with coke.
The day an app/service (be it Discord or anything else) asks me to upload my ID, is the day my account gets deleted.
Time for me to review Revolt Chat again to see what has updated.
Wow, apparently they change their name entirely. I am way behind
It’s Stoat now! https://stoat.chat/
I recently joined! It’s very close to Discord.
No VOIP? That’s the only reason I ever use discord, when my friends force me to so I can talk while we play games. Guess teamspeak is still king
No video call or screen share either from what I can tell, which is uhhh pretty major to day the least. That said, it’s not like I need only use one platform at a time. I’ll probably get on that and start using it and hope that they add those things in the future. But yeah, I’m not sure if I would call it close to Discord right now.
They have voice chat channels in Stoat, or are you wanting p2p calls?
No just voice channels, I’m glad they have them but it was completely missing from their marketing on the website. Just says “text channels done right” and there isn’t a single line about voice support
Edit, found a reddit post from about a month ago which is copied below. So it looks like it barely supports voice so far.
"Apparently The voice chat feature has been brought back in stoat
It only works in the desktop version though. Mobile devices you’re going to have to wait a bit longer though.
Otherwise the quality of it is really really good but you will experience a massive delay in your voice being sent through the voice medium. It’s about 800 millisecond delay even with the fastest speeds. But at least it’s something. "
Ah, I could see that being confusing.
I will say compared to discord the voice channels sound rough and I’m not sure I remember that many options to customize the experience
I’ll take rough around the edges over potential ID theft tbh
If you don’t care about audio on screenshare you could use matrix, that’s what I do.
There’s rocketchat, too, which bills itself more corporately
Anyone else not receiving the verification email? Doesn’t seem to work for me.
I think it took a long time for me the first time. They seem way smaller than Discord, so I imagine they don’t have the fastest infrastructure. Also, I signed up with a non-gmail account and their verification email did make it through eventually.
Wow! I had checked these guys out a long while ago. It seems they’ve gotten a fresh coat of paint. I should revisit it. Maybe convince my friends to switch…
Reposting my reply from another thread, just to keep people informed:
Keep in mind everyone that Stoat still doesn’t currently protect it’s users information and is centralized. It doesn’t use encryption but it is very seamless. You can host your own Stoat instance but it doesn’t communicate with the main one. The devs have said they plan to add more security features in the future yet still don’t make it a priority. The host of Stoat should be able to see everyone’s messages, including in DM’s, due to the lack of E2E encryption. Once they add more security features I imagine they will be much more popular in general.
It’s dead. The development has been as fraught as Tox and it has no feature parity. Not sure it’s worth forking.
Right now your best options are jitsi for video or good old mumble for voice and simplex or matrix for text chat.
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Discord leaked my email. How do I know it was Discord? Because that email address was specifically for Discord. Anyways, now that email is full of spam. Anyways anyways, no way I am letting them leak my face
Same… unique email for each service and the Discord leak a few weeks ago was the most abused one I believe I’ve experienced. So many emails for a huge number of sites claiming I opened support tickets and what-not.
Same
Time to use generative AI to make a fake picture… Might as well pollute their database if they make these demands.
This doesn’t work for age verification and is a relatively small pool of photos
You can use this site which was made as a protest against the age verification in the UK.
Most of the age verification things I’ve seen are wise to that and require a video camera, not a still one.
Put a tablet in front of the camera playing an AI video?
Or use a virtual camera with a preset video
Tired of so many discussions being locked away in Discord, so hopefully they ramp this up and require identification to do anything so everyone will move to a more open platform.
Discord and github are the two platforms barely anyone dares to speak about. The Foss community barely mentions the usage of such platforms, despite nearly all of projects use discord as the support line.
It is really such a shame, since those projects make a significant contribution to open source software in one area. but just shits itself in the other.
At least public githubs aren’t difficult to access and/or crawl. The big issue with Discord is that there is a wealth of information locked behind a proprietary system.
Unlike forums or even reddit, there is not way to get to most of the information posted on discord.
I don’t understand, of course we can access it?
A lot of discord content is private, and those that aren’t require you to have discord to search. On top of that, I’m pretty sure you need to join a server before you can search it’s contents.
Since I don’t use discord, there is no real way for me to access content hosted on it. Compared to Reddit or a Forum, I don’t need to be a member of the community to access information shared there.
But the data is accessible and a migration can be done by those who posted it? Depends on local laws I guess… their eula states everything you send in discord now belongs to then, but that is not allowed in the eu and many other countries
Sounds like we are talking about different kinds of “access”. My original post was just lamenting that to the general web, discord is like a black hole. Things go there and never come out as you can only access the content through its app.
You can only access it if you install Discord.
No, GDPR laws allows me to download all data and also enforcing its deletion without using the app ever again
GDPR laws allow you to download the contents of a Discord server that you have never been on? I thought it only required access to your own data.
Codeberg ftw!
Free software contributors I hang out with do mention the likes of irc, matrix, codeberg, and activitypub’ising git a lot.
No time to waste mentioning inferior software that’s abusive.
Let alone use it.
It would mean a lot to me if open source projects used op n source coms for discussions. I tried discord recently and couldnt even get prast email verification. I went into a server, asked questions and couldn’t check to see if they were answered. Sorry people I ghosted!
What discussions happen on discord? I’m late 20s and play video games regularly and I have never used it. Thought it was where people streamed themselves playing video games or selling bathwater or whatever. Back in the day my home boys and I used to chat on teamspeak while gaming, but who has time for that shit anymore? My gaming is almost all single player or with the wifey 3 feet to my left lol.
What discussions happen on discord?
You ever have an issue with anything and you find the answer on some random reddit discussion that ends up in your search results when you’re looking around?
Discord isn’t really like the older methods of chatting, where people used platforms to chat for the sake of chatting. Entire communities from forums decided to just upend everything and move into discord. Niche software and other files are often shared among discord communities, or assistance for said files and programs is offered only through specific discord communities.
The platform is still better than anything we had back in the day, it’s just that for some reason people have decided that everything needs to be stored in there.
Anyway, I don’t see much changing. People will probably attempt to take this culture onto whatever new platform they move onto.
Man I miss when we had real forums. I used to go on nasioc for Subaru info now everybody is on FB pages. I have not yet found a need for downloading discord but I’m sure I’m bound to run into it eventually…
The cybersecurity certification companies use discord for support exclusively, and no you can’t use a different company because they are the ones the market recognizes. Offsec, Altered Security, for example.
Glad you’re willing to share her with all of us
A ton of game companies (especially indies) have moved bug reports and patch notes over to discord. Suggesting something on the steam forums often gets you redirected to their discord server. And it’s not just gaming companies. I’ve got several pieces of software that the easiest way to find out about betas and updates are to use their discord server. It feels fairly unavoidable if you want to stay informed.
That is pretty unfortunate! Crazy how discord managed to corner the internet like that in a few years.
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I really hope they do. When a support forum says “join us on discord” I immediately nope the fuck out. I have never used discord and I don’t plan on it.
Even as a discord user, support forums, wikis, and QAs should not be done in discord. Their search feature is utter ass, and without tabs navigating forums is utter hell
Even their forum-esque feature really sucks. You can’t easily navigate within it, and it’s an endlessly scrolling feed rather than a paginated one, so good luck if you need access to a specific portion of a particularly long thread.
I’ve been waiting for Discord to die for years now.
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And it’s obscure, why use a chat like a forum? Why keep knowledge there? It’s not even encrypted so it’s insecure and blinded from the regular internet.
More like they are being forced to by Governments who are pushing kid safety as a way to achieve their final goal which is a drivers license to use the Internet.
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The US government isn’t making them do it.
The Feds aren’t making them do it, but plenty of states are working on it.
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Dunno why this is worldwide, then. Why should I have to comply with what some states in the US want when I’m not even in the same country, and my country has none of these age verification laws? Whole world shouldn’t have to give up their privacy just because Tennessee said so.
Because Discord wants your data, any excuse they give is just a rationalization to get it.
UK, AUS to name a few, but many others are doing this, and its only a matter of time before the US gets in on the action.
European Union, entirely. The law is in process.
But you can’t have a provider abo until you’re of legal age…
They are choosing this over banning porn on their platform.
Fuck discord. Hope some people leave over this.
bunch of friends and I just stood up a matrix room on a friend’s server and moved over there. fuck discord
You’re gonna need jitsi too. Simple is more secure but the client is heavier than matrix. You can run a server but shouldnt need to
To quote general Grevious:
“Time to abandon ship”
There’s plenty of other options out there. Discord has been enshitifying for a while now, so I don’t mind dropping it
What’s the best alternative in your view?
I’m going to try self hosting https://stoat.chat/ not sure it has screen sharing yet, but apparently they just re-wrote all their voice/video stuff, so it should be available soon.
It’s also worth noting, you don’t need to self host. You can sign up for their hosted instance too. https://stoat.chat/login
Of course, if you want to self host that’s great too.
I’m in the UK though, so they imply they may (already or in teh future) need to verify my age anyway.
They don’t seem to have a great out of box experience currently, will require some more poking around.
I tried tonight, pretty broken, couldn’t create voice channels at all
Tonight I’ve tried a bunch of options
revolt/stoat, and I couldn’t make voice channels at all. If I could and it worked fine probably would have used that immediately
spacebar chat, got the server running just fine, no idea which UI to use, and when I tried the options I couldn’t connect to the server and it was really clunky
setup team speak 6, immediately wanted me to create an account on their servers, rm -rf
setup mumble - might actually work, but looks like ass, friends are gonna be skeptical
setting up full blown matrix now I guess.
For a potential 1:1 Discord alternative? The one that has stood out to me is Guilded. I started looking at alternatives last year when talk about this was starting to float around and forgot about it.
Here’s a recent article with alternatives that I found in a quick search. Don’t agree with all of them personally, but I’m not the target audience for some of them.
Guilded was great. Too bad it’s dead. 😕
Yeah, I just learned about that. Really unfortunate. Seems like Stoat is the next option
Honestly, what was wrong with Ventrillo for voice and literally any forum software for everything else?
The problem is there isn’t plenty of other options.
Discord is one of those services independent web folk have been after a replacement for for years.
For an exact 1:1 replacement? Yeah, I do agree about that. If anyone looking for options doesn’t mind making some compromises it opens the doors quite a bit.
I shared in another reply a link to some alternatives. Guilded seems to be the closest to a 1:1 replacement for now.
My personal concern is having to repeat this again if the next proprietary platform becomes too big. My friend group has gone through google hangouts (it was a different time lol), the curse client, which became a Twitch product eventually and then Discord.
I’m at the point where I’m considering going back to web forums and things like teamspeak/ventrillo.
Roblox is asking for the same thing to use chat in-game, but they split people in age groups (9-12, 18-20…), and you can only talk to players in your age group.
Oof. That’s news to me. I’m seeing some stuff about Stoat pop up. Guess that’s what I’ll look into next
Let me know if you get it working with voice channels, tried tonight, no luck, couldn’t make voice channels at all. For text it’s fine I guess but that’s not enough.
Will do. I need to set aside some time to see about it working with most, if not all my devices and go from there.
I did see someone else mention elsewhere that it is possible, but I don’t remember the source.
There’s also Matrix if you don’t mind tinkering around a bit too as another option.
ya I’m setting up matrix with cloudflare tunnels now, first time using cloudflare tunnels, pretty cool. I’m not thrilled at having to depend on a third party service to connect to my own stuff, but it’s better than my home IP being public.
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I really need to watch the prequels again
Dewit
Yeah, except it’s not like you get to choose. If you are on the Discord server for rock climbing in your country, you can leave the community, but you don’t have “other options”.
It’s not like the question is “what platform do I want to use for X?”. The question is “The X community uses Discord, do I want to be in it or not?” And of course you can choose to not join, but you don’t have an option to choose another app.
I definitely get what you’re saying on that. Leaving behind communities that you’re a part of, potentially for years or longer, is not appealing.
The sad reality is that is where each individual person will have to weigh their options and beliefs.
For me personally, I’m already down to just a few personal communities on Discord and for the one that I run, I will be migrating to either something like Stoat, Matrix or even a good old fashioned web forum. This all stems from not trusting Discord with my personal information, which works for me. Obviously not a one size fits all situation.
It would be nice to see Discord realize that they’re making a huge mistake and backtrack the decision, but I don’t see that happening.
Perhaps this will lead to communities migrating to web forums down the road? Only time will tell.
ill take my leave asap then, 10 years has been a pretty good sample of what capitalism does to a platform
This is coming from socialdemocrat countries like Spain, State interventionism at its finest.
So, capitalist countries? You do understand that “social democracy” is still a form of capitalism, right?
Why are you so hostile? Read what I said and then read your reply and see if I am trying to argue against you or simply adding information to what you said.
Anyway this is what replying against your original comment looks like: you are blaming an economy system of political (parties) policies. The more socialist governments turns the more control government have over everything (including economic systems), the more, well, controlling the State becomes. Democracy doesn’t need to be capitalist, and social-democracy is just a political system.
“Socialism is when government do things”
Sure thing bud. You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. Socialism has nothing to do with what is being talked about. I’m hostile cause I’m tired of uneducated idiots like you spreading your ignorance.
“Capistalism is when bad” that’s your whole argument, with adding disrespect and lack of education.
I hate discord but they are just implementing what the EU will force every single “social network” to do.
how is a government requirement for age verification forcing a company to implement a non profitable change the fault of capitalism? I guess the 10 years have been a good sample of what capitalism does to a platform. Discord saw a problem and used VC capital to build one of the most well engineered platforms on the market with hundreds of millions of free users and many happy to pay to support it.
If you don’t think this is all a pretense to collect more data and sell it… All the way up to the govt enforcing these rules lmao
wow this is just what they need to know who you are… the final piece of the puzzle. You dont think discord can accurately identify most of its users already. They have email, IP, device, port scans of the network, all the people they interact with, contact list scans, social media and online account linking. This only affects a small subset of users and doesnt even go to discord as its done through a 3rd party service.
“They already have your data bro, it’s fine just let them scan your face too bro, it’s all a third party really bro trust them.”
“Its all a conspiracy man, all the way up to the government man, all this is being done to collect more data having a picture of someones face is so valuable”. You do not live in reality and there is no logic to your story. Discord is not accessing this photo so they have nothing to sell. Discord gains nothing and suffers reputational harm for this change. Then the “nefarious” 3rd party age verification company who supposedly stands to benefit the most out of all this. There is fuck all money to be made as an ID verification service, they are not legally able to sell the data and will most likely be automated out of existence in the next few years. Lastly why the fuck would the government suffer reputational harm to do all this to access your ID, you may not be aware but they actually already have your id and sensitive information about you. You werent private on discord before this change and wont be after. Unless you’ve taken extraordinary security measures, Discord should be treated as a public forum.
Its not a change im happy about but its the way legislation is going around the world and it makes sense discord would comply. At the end of the day I operate on the internet under my personal info, i use a cc with my name, i use my personal phone number, i use my email. Im under no illusion that im not identifiable. If thats a red line for you then either dont access nsfw content or dont use discord you dont have to make up a crazy conspiracy to explain the actions.
Idk if youve been living under a rock, but we have a facists government in power with direct ties to our tech oligarchs who have literally said they’re trying to harvest everyone’s data.
Its not a conspiracy, its just fact.
Look into Peter Thiel and Palantir, look into Epstein and his ties with Trump and the tech broligarchs, look into Cambridge Analytica and Meta, its really not difficult to see how all of this is coalescing to harvest all your data and use it for whatever they want across a gigantic database and while you might think it’s already hopeless that doesn’t mean you should make it even easier for them to do so.
Palantir already has full access to the governments data which includes your ID. They dont need to get it via discord changing the way it handles age verification.
the ID isn’t a direct cause. i just mention capitalism because most of the rest of the cause for me leaving is the enshittification. this is just the straw that broke the camels back like how reddit killing the app api is what pushed me off that platform
It absolutely is a direct cause.
These ID verification companies have been lobbying governments to mandate this so they can earn $$$$
good point, wasn’t my original intent but yeah lol
Thats true but ID companies are not lobbying or making changes on a scale that matters. This change isnt going through because an id company lobbied the government. Its actually a popular position with the constituents of the democracy. Its supported by many different interest groups for various reasons good and bad. To simplify it down to “id companies lobbying the government to earn money” is in my opinion intentionally misleading.
I think you underestimate how much lobbying is happening by these firms. It’s a 10s of billions of dollars industry, and it’s up and coming hence why it’s suddenly starting to happen everywhere. It’s not happening because its suddenly a good idea all over the world.
Huge money involved.
source? I completely disagree that this is a result of extreme amounts of lobbying money being injected into politics. The issue is very very popular with the average parent and thats what politicians are reacting to.
While this might not all be explicit lobby, they are being lobbied, and there’s an exceptional amount of money being put into it in many ways. And if you don’t think millions and millions of dollars are going into things like SPAC’s to support candidates who will support it via side conversations, or other campaign finance tricks around the world then you just don’t know how things work in the US.
Here’s an example of Yoti spending money supporting the Texas laws.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-1122/332630/20241122163435761_23-1122 Amicus Brief.pdf
Yoti In response to COPPA
https://downloads.regulations.gov/FTC-2024-0003-0192/attachment_1.pdf
You really think they spend all that time writing this up and they aren’t having side conversations or nudge nudge wink wink deals going on? The US has a supreme court justice Clarence Thomas blatantly taking money from people and nothing happens.
This is a world wide campaign to support it by these companies who built the tools. There’s is an official industry lobby group as well https://avpassociation.com/
Edit: This is actual lobby record relating to kids online saftey act. https://lda.senate.gov/filings/public/filing/edf57428-13bb-4f91-89af-137bbe898e91/print/
Edit: Here’s Onfido (now Entrust) an explicit lobby: https://lda.senate.gov/filings/public/filing/251cf218-5db4-49bd-8b12-cf3cfa950d15/print/
Edit: Onfido lobbying again in EU over many years: https://www.lobbyfacts.eu/datacard/onfido?rid=193458043836-76&sid=157476
Edit: This is ID.me lobbying the US government, getting hang of the search (which isn’t great) which is millions of dollars in identify verification lobbying. And just think of how much money is being spent behind the money they legally disclosed. Lots.
Palantir
you mean the company that already has full access to government data?
Yes. It’s got immense influence in government policy.
You could argue that in a general sense government regulation goes against unfettered capitalism. Though in this age where personal information is a commodity, some might say this is being used as a pretense.
I think the argument that this is done to collect more personal info is stupid.
Did you miss the part where the change is global? It also applies where the government hasn’t required it.
how does that change anything?
Welp that sucks time to find a new platform
Stoat is the most discordlike, Matrix is the most privacy-focused
I’ve been trying so hard to work with Matrix. Then once you get it going everything is dead.
That changes if people like you start using it.
Kinda like Lemmy.
Wish DeltaChat would work better.
Or that Jami would properly look for new messages after a user configurable amount of time - sometimes it’ll only do that if you restart the app
I know. I totally agree. But holy shit onboarding is terrible with Matrix. If people struggle wrapping their head around Mastodon, this is much worse.
I found Lemmy to be the easiest onboarding of all the federated networks.
I think I found Discord much more confusing than matrix, personally.
That said. Discord no longer exists for me. Account deleted today. Nothing of value was lost.
Literally nothing to miss! All the communities I liked all fell apart and/or swung to the fascist right long ago.
Go for XMPP, snikket is pretty much ootb.
Those are great private messaging solutions, but not great for hosting communities.
I’ve been using it exclusively (later along with self-hosted Jitsi) since 2017.
There’s tens of millions of messages, doing just fine.
Stoat seems pretty good, but it’s still a bit buggy. It kept disconnecting and reconnecting, but I logged out and then back in again and that fixed it.
Matrix! Unredacted.org is a great place for newcomers to host their first server.
First time I’ve heard of Unredacted. Do they have somewhere to show their legitimacy.
Legitimacy?
It’s just a server host mate? There’s no such thing as “legitimacy” there?
That’s kind of a weird question, no? If I’m going to invest in a server, I want to see some kind of integrity and trust first.
This is the first time I’ve seen this link or company name. I’m not saying they’re bad, but I was hoping the person who shared the link had something to vet them.
Reviews
Its a matrix server, man.
https://unredacted.org/services/si/matrix/
No one is gonna take you seriously talking like that. We aren’t investors.
Stoat it is then.
keep forgetting they renamed revolt to stoat. dumb lawsuit.
And worse choice of new name.
Wtf you talking about. Stoats are adorable.
They are but getting a normie friend to join a service called Stoat feels like a non-starter. Revolt/Matrix/Element/Signal are more doable.
try getting them to use a fediverse instance named moist
… I don’t need another domain. I don’t need another domain. I do NOT need another domain…
To some people it might be a positive
I miss when Element was called Riot.IM, also a stupid lawsuit that never happened but they changed the name to avoid a lawsuit anyway.
That makes zero sense.
Brand name perception matters a lot 🫤 I wish it didn’t, but it does.
And stoats is as awesome as they get as they said
It makes perfect sense. Names are incredibly important to widespread adoption. As are pleasing colors.
Many people don’t know what a Stoat is, or that it’s an animal. A meaningless nonsense word (In the mind of a normie) will not drive them to use it.
So your argument is that people are stupid so they should change the name. That’s not very compelling imo. Most tech names are nonsense to average person, yet they succeeded just fine.
Are your friends adults?
I love watching peeps play this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX5iFFCwd5w
Although this change for Discord is gonna suck.
This game is such a fucking fun romp.
I like that it has a “secret” ending that if you actually wait around in the waiting room instead of leaving, eventually the Mayor will be ready to see you. I think it’s about 15 minutes.
I’ve watched so many streamers play it that idk if I’d wanna play it myself, but that I didn’t know! I love how much love they put into the game as a whole. Never fails to get me a bunch of hearty laughs…
it just reminds me of the old fascist reddit clones, like voat or throat or whatever
they should have renamed it quokkachat
Eh, the more you say it, the more normal it’ll sound. Stoat. Like oat. Or like stoked.
“Goo Gewl” isn’t exactly a good name…
It was a lawsuit?
Learned something new today.
Do they have voice chat?
You can create text or voice channels! ( I haven’t tried voice chat yet though.)
You can search for existing servers or create your own server by signing up for the official instance: https://stoat.chat/login
Or self host your own. The official instance does seem a little slow.
Do they offer encryption? Even if not, it’s still better than discord.
No they don’t. Check out my other reply.
TLDR, they plan to but haven’t yet. But currently they (the owners of the centralized instance) have the ability to read other people’s chats due to the lack of E2E encryption
Reference to Inscryption?
Fediverse, assemble!
Ok. Well I will delete my account then.
This kind of enshittification is intolerable. The reason this exists is solely to tie your online behaviour to your real life identity.
“They” want to control people’s conversations in the digital third spaces. And to find ways to punish you for the thoughts they disapprove of. Discord is happy to sell that data to whomever is buying it.
Oh well. More fediverse, please!
Discord is not needed. Quit. Kill it. Watch them BEG to get us back, then say no.
