Perhaps it should be named “unconventional opinions that I still agree with”? Or perhaps “lol lets see what opinion they post now” (to be fair, the WHY ARE YOU BOOING ME? I’M RIGHT is sort of this)?
People are just upvoting and downvoting what they agree and disagree with, so it basically comes off as a trap to get things to laugh at - which it isn’t even good at. Should people not be voting on “yes, this is something that is genuinely unpopular”?
The voting guidelines are an attempt to encourage actual unpopular opinions to “rise to the top”, so to speak, as that is the purpose of the community. Obvious troll (or other rule-violating) posts should be reported rather than just downvoted, but we kind of expected people to embrace the spirit of the community. While many do, there are several problems with this approach:
- As others have stated, people just knee-jerk to the downvote button when they see something they disagree with
- 80% or more of the people on this platform don’t bother to read the rules for any community
- Muscle memory
- Edit: When a post from here shows up in /all for someone who isn’t familiar with the community, we can’t really expect them to click into it to look at the voting guidelines prior to voting.
We put out a poll a while back asking if the voting guidelines should be changed, but there was no majority in favor of it, so they remain the same.
Can a comm’s name be changed? If we labeled it as something like ‘popular misinformation’ then people could post their unpopular positions by posting the popular position as title and then their reason for disagreeing in the body.
Title: Cheesecake is the best
Body: is misinformation because blah, blah, blah.
People who aren’t paying attention will just upvote because they agree, showing it is a popular view, and those who pay attention to what the comm is will be able to follow the traditional voting rules for the position expressed in the body. It would align the voting schema to work together rather than in opposition.
Maybe but disinformation is the wrong word
I didn’t use the word disinformation.
Sorry typo, but misinformation is wrong too lol
It’s about as close as you can get. I don’t think there’s a specific word for wrong opinions.
I think the real issue is the all feed. For many folks on Lemmy, there are no communities, there are only community tags on an otherwise never-ending stream of flotsam scrolling by on the all feed. This makes it very hard to establish community norms in any case.
Downvoted posts should move to the top
Who cares about votes?
It would be good if they do away with votes altogether for this community.
honestly I would prefer community voting not even be a thing in the federation but communities like this it actually makes sense if you could just have everyone understand how its supposed to be done.
I lot of people don’t understand how voting is supposed to be done in unpopular opinions
This is an extremely popular opinion.
Heres my opinion: Votes doesn’t matter, it merely inhibits conversation when we can express your reaction to a post with a click of a button instead of explaining our own thoughts on the matter.
Just post what you want to post and try to avoid looking at the number, or go over to an app or instance that doesn’t show votes, or allows you to select your own settings for votes, or only shows upvotes.
Yet you haven’t posted even once. Are you so sure your experience, worries, and interest as the same as a person considering to post? My take on the people who post the most on Lemmy is pretty close to what it is in Reddit.
No, I pretty clearly stated it was my opinion, not everyone elses.
People who post aren’t a monolith either, but have a wide range of experiences and worries. Do you even know if this is my only account?
People vote on what should gain more visibility, or less. So if your point is well created and somewhat heinous in nature, people down vote as to keep your opinion from spreading. If your opinion is true even if unpopular, I wager it will gain visibility. Even divisive opinions will gain visibility due to discussion.
- Vote the opposite of the norm.
If you agree that the opinion is unpopular give it an arrow up. If it’s something that’s widely accepted, give it an arrow 🩹
You are describing something else.
It can get mixed up. People can upvote their agreement with the sentiment that it’s unpopular or the agreement with the opinion itself. It makes the arrow system unreliable because you can’t be sure they see it as choosing between agreeing with the opinion and agreeing with its unpopularity.
I upvoted this not because you are correct but because you care about votes. Least popular thing I can think of. Nice job.
Funny thing, there seems to have been a multimillion industry built on caring about upvotes on the platforms people tell me it doesn’t matter. I agree with you, but largely because of the temporal irrelevance of Lemmy at the moment. There are plenty of accounts who have months in between comments and yet upvote or downvote regularly, so I can only assume it matters to them. Thank you, I try not to fall into the rot of popularisms.
Upvotes/downvotes dont matter on this site. Its not like reddit where downvotes limit how much you can comment and upvotes are required to participate in communities.
Its dumb that people cant upvote opinoins they disagree with but it is what it is. Maybe the OP should post a comment saying Agree and a comment saying disagree so only the people who bothered to open the thread can vote.
Lemmy is different from Reddit. On Reddit you get pushed content to keep you busy. On Lemmy you just get the most active and new content. So I’m guessing a lot of people just get these posts in their feed without even being subscribed to this community.
The only unpopular opinions I have seen downvoted to hell (recently at least) have been objective facts that were incorrect. Saying your opinion is [thing that is untrue] should still go into a black hole.
Sounds like you are just twisting the definition of opinion to justify this behavior. Objectively, it is independent of actual objective fact, it is by it’s very nature the complete opposite, subjective. A child can have the opinion that Santa Claus exists a Christian can have the opinion that god exists, an investor can have an opinion of future events that cannot possibly be related to objective truth yet. Words can have multiple meanings, but even ignoring the ones that agree with me, I can’t find any that agree with yours except yours.
If that’s what you are doing, then I have more respect for the people who go “lol lets see what opinion they post now”, if only because one has more a shared reality to it.
Your argument only apply to downvotes - I’m curious, any opinion about the upvotes of unconventional but otherwise popular opinions?
Upvoting and downvoting are supposed to be relevant to the sub not to ones feelings. But we’re human so we like to piss in each other’s soups so we vote with our feelings and not our brains. So to speak.
People hate hearing opinions that don’t fit in their comfort bubble. And most are unwilling (some are even incapable) to understand those opinions.
Luckily those arrows don’t matter here.no, you’re wrong
Luckily those arrows don’t matter here.
But they do.
Many forms of display ranking are based on that.
For the Unpopular Opinion community that would e.g. mean that the best (so: unpopular) posts are shown further down, while the top posts are filled with stuff not fitting the community’s purpose.
They may not matter, but I understand some platforms, like piefed, are trying to change this. If they don’t matter, shouldn’t the rules just say to look at downvotes to determine the really unpopular opinions?
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