[orange, proud]
I’m willing to pay more for products MADE IN THE USA because I’m a based patriot who wants to SUPPORT REAL AMERICANS
[green, accusatory]
OK then how about supporting american workers by paying them a living wage?
[orange, dismissively shaking their hands while having a look of absolute disgust on their face]
NO
[the comic is squished into a funneling triangle shape for some reason]
A real american:
THE OG OF THE WORLD … YA’LL ARE INTRUDERS
Yeast?
Too advanced, they came later, it’s just an unforgotten Amoeba.
La di da, with your cellular walls and your organelles. Piss off, ya foreign gobshite!
Is this LUCA?
That’s not an American, that’s a Hunkpapa Sioux.
Which is one of the native American tribes.
The American ethnicity is pretty much the European ethnicities supplanted onto “American” grounds - Trying to integrate the Native American tribes into that ethnicity feels like tribe-erasure to me. They are separate ethnicities - heck, I’m not even sure if “the American ethnicity” is really a single ethnicity.
And they were not in america?
They were, but if I enter the USA as Dutchman, doesn’t undo almost 40 years of existing in Dutch culture. Or in his case, if people invade (nazis or colonists - take your pick), won’t undo the existence of your own culture.
Funny how American = European American, whereas everyone else needs a prefix in front of them.
It should be American = Native American, and everyone else should keep the prefix.
“America” was a European invention (Vespucci). The Native Americans didn’t think of it as one unified land mass.
Native American is quite proper, you’re trying to add some racism here where there is clearly not. We refer to American as anyone who lives here, not just European Americans? Where the fuck do you get your information? lol
E: He’s right, media is generally racist as they still pander to European Americans. I retract. We’re on two different entities here.
There is currently an active racist movement to dehumanize Americans because of a dislike of the nations own choosen name. It’s seen very noticeably with the push for “USian” here on lemmy.
Americans choose to be called Americans. The name of a country and what it wishes to be called should be respected. We all live here we all have a stake in the betterment of the land. The native peoples are just that. The natives, but they arnt the only ones who have claim to the land at this point. Even then the natives migrated here ages ago, no different than the Spanish and Europeans did.
The only difference is people have found an excuse to belittle and attack the European descendents because of current political circumstances.
The native people are mistreated and attacked by our government yes. But that does not change that for now hundreds of years there are generations of people who do give back to the land. Those who respect it, and try to better it. These people are not native to this land but have made it their home.
It does not matter your ancestors origins, for you are the ancestors to the next generation. You have the power to show respect to show love and kindness. And to make a new home. We are all foreign till we settle down.
Americans are Americans. Those who have been here for thousands or those for hundreds. The only ones who should be cast as others are those who destroy the land and it’s people ruining it for the next generation willfully.
Very good points, thanks for posting.
It’s a bit preachy I’ll admit, but it’s a eurocentric view I’m getting at. The news all the time says African American, Asian American bla bla, they never say European American when describing someone white. And whether or not it’s racist i’d still rather a classification be consistent.
I see, like media reports always include the race if it’s not white. You do have a point.
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Certain companies have tried this in a heads-up fashion: offer both the USA made option and one made overseas. The catch is the one made in the USA is 3x more expensive.
0% of people bought the USA-made one.
The few Made In America products with a 200% premium over the overseas competition I am aware of are not short on customers.
Of the many, many, many, “66% off from the factory” overseas products out there, almost none reach American retail shelves without a markup that gets them within 25% of the price of their “locally”-produced counterparts.
Your “certain companies” set-up those consumers to fail, in order to convince share-holders that their brands wouldn’t suffer from off-shoring production.
You should try being more selective with your sources.
The few Made In America products with a 200% premium over the overseas competition I am aware of are not short on customers.
Name one.
Could I interest you in a https://www.jjgeorgestore.com/the-smarter-scrubber/
admitedly, I’m not certain that they’re not short on customers he made them a few years ago and they’re still being sold, could just be backstock
Okay that’s pretty cool, still yeah idk if i can afford that when i can buy a basic scrubber for two bucks.
Absolutely not. No normal people are buying it. People dedicated to buy in the USA were.
All those components he purchased were at the best possible price they could give him.
We don’t have enough manufacturing capability anymore to have internal competition. We can’t compete against china so we don’t even try.
The owners and stock-holders get the lions share and we’re left paying $2 for a $0.10 bolt.
Agreed, but his bit about scrubber wire coming off and getting swallowed has made me strongly consider buying one of these.
We get it, you’re the bottom of the triangle. That a flex where you’re from?
I dont even know what flex means lmao im too old for that stuff
I’m probably older than you, or at least my adult children still answer the phone when I call and I’ll almost-certainly spend time with any grand-babies when that day comes.
“Out-of-touch” isn’t the flex you think it is either. Oh, and “flex” comes from workout-culture - its probably older than either of us.
Destin from the YouTube channel Smarter Every Day had a hand in the creation of this. Is a great video highlighting the dire situation of US manufacturing.
That dude always creeps me out. Something about him always feels uncannily fake.
I think you’re missing my point. It’s not that “people don’t buy American, even though it’s more expensive.” I’m saying that when done in a heads-up way, Americans will nearly unanimously choose the lower cost option instead of buying American; not because it’s American, but because it’s cheaper. Out of the examples of Redwing boots and Lodge cookware, how much cheap, disposable trash is purchased instead of the highly durable, more expensive goods?
I understand this is “hand-wavy” and I do not intend it with snark: my sources are literally every big-box and online retailer inventory sheet in the US, especially at America’s largest retailers; Walmart and Amazon to name a few.
Also, I would say that companies in nearly all cases benefit financially by offshoring of production. Their sales may take a short term hit, but any decrease in sales is vastly outweighed by hysterically larger profit margins.
My point is that cost is the driver, not moral stance. I’m also not judging. Looking at the average income in the US vs GDP, it’s entirely understandable behavior.
I also don’t want to piss you off, but you seem upset. Is it fair to say that you prefer to buy American? If so, good for you. We should pay all workers what they’re worth, Americans included. This comment is on a cartoon, brother. I’m just saying “yes, and…”
Bro it’s literally presented as the same fucking product why would anyone pay $100 more for the same fucking product??
You’re regurgitating pro-corporate, pro-offshoring talking-points as if they justify lying-to and manipulating consumers. That’s not just saying “yes, and…”
You quoted someone-else’s yes-and, and picked a particularly-shitty someone to quote. You could have just taken the L, but wasted 5 paragraphs to wrap-up with “but oh btw, this is all meaningless”.
I prefer to buy local yes, but I’ll take Canadian, Mexican, or anything made in South America as close-enough to “Made in America”. As it is, there’s a great many (quality, price irrelavent)products that won’t reach me from those places, couldn’t tell you if quality versions are even still made in the Americas today, what with logic like yours deciding the supply-chain behind closed-doors, but I can get them from any number of SE Asian countries by way of my local Big-box.
If I’m going that route, I prefer to cut-out the middle-man -I’m no stranger to alibaba/ali-express, and all sorts of niche sellers around the globe, except:
As you say, I often don’t have the budget for quality, origin be damned. End-up having to modify or retrofit things I buy instead. If I’m lucky, they last long enough for me to obtain better versions, probably used. Local second-hand does just fine when Local-made is unobtainium, and has the virtue of not enriching the big-box stores that try to put everything smaller out of business.
One challenge is that the lifestyle that people have come to expect is only affordable by outsourcing production to other countries for slave labour prices.
People want 7 pairs of running shoes, to own every kitchen and garage gadget possible, and to buy little items as pick-me-ups every few weeks. There would be an outcry at children picking our food for 3 cents a day or indentured servants making our clothes if it were visible, but these services are shipped far enough away that most people can just smile and enjoy their new $30 shoes without seeing the abuse. And if you tell them about it, they say they are poor too, which is the equivalent of covering your ears and screaming “la la la la la” to avoid processing it.
This is a dumb strawman.
There’s basically two consumers, plus a bunch of lies told by the Epstein class.
Consumer 1: Wants a good product produced in a way they feel good about at a fair price. This typically includes preferring both locally made and fair wage pricing, as well as not-killing-the-planet.(Non-sociopaths who are currently not afraid about their finances tomorrow, tend to fall in this category.)
Consumer 2: Just needs the lowest price possible to survive another day. (People may drift btween these two modes, based on life events.)
Cosumer 3: Epstein class rapist. Wants you to believe their crimes are somehow your neighbor’s fault.
Edit: This maybe flew over my head. Is Orange man Epstein class?
Lol.
This maybe flew over my head. Is Orange man Epstein class?
I am guessing they’re orange to hint that they’re MAGA.
And now, then, I think this may shock you, but there is a fourth consumer class, and they’re a bigger class than you might think. They don’t think about whether a product makes them feel good. They don’t think about whether a specific product is at a low price. Even if they’re poor, they don’t think about budgets, and they tend to be heavily in credit card debt. These people’s defining characteristic is that they don’t think much about anything. They simply choose some authority figure to tell them how to live and then they do whatever they’re told to do. They may occasionally spout out a bit of propaganda out of nowhere, but importantly, they have never once deeply thought about it themselves. They lack even the basic mental tools to think about it.
When challenged, they’ll just say some other bit of propaganda, or they’ll get angry, but they’ll obstinately refuse to think even the tiniest bit for themselves. They have what is called an authoritarian personality, “characterized by a disposition to treat the voice of authority figures with unquestioning obedience and respect.” If you look at the Wikipedia article, you’ll see there is a high correlation between having an authoritarian personality and being poorly educated or being religious (especially being an Evangelical Protestant).
Now, then back to the question about the comic. It is impossible to tell whether the orange man is Epstein class or whether he’s simply a mindless MAGA drone with an authoritarian personality, because they say the exact same things. One says it because they’re evil, and one says it because they refuse to question anything that the evil people say.
I mean I’d have to say, it is a sizable portion of americans. IE the whole selling point of tarrifs is to encourage manufacturing and jobs to move over here. There certainly is a significant amount of overlap between people that want more manufacturing in america that also widely want minimum wage to stay the same or even go down.
Now obviously this ven diagram isn’t a circle, there’s plenty of people that do actually want products to be made by people making enough to live on, both not screwing over labor in the global south etc… or in the US.
What you’re missing is that actual “Made In America” products, the ones that don’t just get a nice label based on a technicality, usually are made by workers paid a living-wage, so long as those products aren’t burgers.
Sucks for the burger-flippers, but without those other products, there are fewer living-wage jobs available to them to escape the minimum-wage trap.
Fewer well-paid workers results in fewer well-educated children. Resulting in more of the cognitave-dissonance-but-accidentally-maybe-doing-one-thing-right voters OOP has a problem with.
… but by all means, attacking certain “buy-local” people for only understanding the part of the message where one speaks with their wallet, and using the wrong, “patriotic”-and-not-en-vogue phrasing … yeah, its super-important work being done in these three low-effort panels without nuance or elaboration, yo.
Republicans support businesses not workers. The people who own the businesses benefit.
Republicans support businesses not workers. The people who own the businesses benefit.
Why do you think it’s “Republicans” and not “Republicans & Democrats”?
Kinda silly, really.
Look around. Union membership is down to under 10% (from over 40%), wages are historically low, our “labor party” abandoned labor many decades ago. The New Deal is now very old and just about dead.
Nooo there are theoretical undecided voters you’re gonna confuse them don’t criticize Dems!
You do have a fair point there, I should be more inclusive.
Not only will I buy American I will buy from genuine local buissness. It will be much more pricy but I view it as a long term investment that I feel will pan out in the long term
As much as I think that’s noble, I doubt that applies to every product you buy. Picking only one category is a bit disingenuous.
Buying food? Sure. Buying hardware and tools? Sure. Buying clothes? Sure.
All of the above? I doubt it, man, unless you’re REALLY well off…
True it isn’t a 100℅ so it is not full on purity. But I personally try when possible
That’s alright
I loved it when “smarter every day” decided to make a stand and try to build a grill brush, sourced in the US from all US parts, he couldn’t get some of the trivial parts from known US sources and it was still all over $100
I am definitely willing to pay more just to avoid stuff made in the USA and Israel.
Dude everything is so expensive. Food and gas and this and that. I’m getting the cheapest I can. I can’t vote with my wallet if I don’t have one
“ Also, how about paying more for oil since we’re bombing Iran? It’s made in the US!
“ NOOOO!!
I’ll do anything for the USA except for things that require me to do work or spend money.
I want to support the American owner class! The one I’m pretty sure I’m soon to be a part of! Once my 3 side hustles take off and we deport those “urban” problems!
Yo, it’s Bad! I didn’t know you were on Lemmy too!
Hi !
Been there for a while :)
To most people, “Real American” doesn’t mean the working man. It means the capitalist behind him.
You mean like the blog/“study” quoted by another here to support the notion that USians won’t actually pay more for local products? The one rigged, run and published by capitalists to justify off-shoring production?
Someone here is indeed quoting those capitalists, and its not the top-left stick-figure.
What’s really sad is that the only ones who support a living wage en masse are the Greens.
You’ve got Bernie and Zohran who certainly do, and AOC may. Warren says she does, but it’s bullshit. The people with the power to actually do this are the ones saying no.
What’s really sad is that the only ones who support a living wage en masse are the Greens.
Socialist Party has been fighting for higher wages since the 1910s, you make them sad :(
Greens weren’t a party until the 1970s
Length of party existence notwithstanding, the Socialists feel invisible to me these days.
But good info to add for sure.
Nice strawman. Keep fighting it, bud.
How is it a straw man? Show your work, pal
The subjects are not “superficially similar”, in fact, you can’t have A (made in America) without B (wages)
Show your work, pal
ok, gabber:
I ain’t found shit on the Googles if I search for anything that looks like OP’s argument. Almost like there’s no one who made the argument that OP claims is being made.
This is an accurate portrayal of the opinions of countless “america first” dipshits, common enough that you’ve definitely seen it
Then you must have plenty of links, twitter screenshots, etc, to shower me with, to prove your point, no? Instead of the claiming you just do.
He who makes the claim, must provide the evidence. I did a quick google for OP’s claim and found jack shit.
You didn’t google a goddamn thing quit lying
Oh wow, it’s only Lemmy instances! Who knew!? Find me an actual person making the claim the OP says that people are making. Doesn’t even have to be literally word-for-word.
Lemmy users are actual people, dumbass
Who are you calling a dumbass, when the results are literally just a copy and paste from the comic - that’s self-referential, not a source.
That’s because the only search terms you tried is the copypasted text of this post, dumbass
