• Xylight‮@lemdro.id
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    while it’s not great, a ton of websites did this to themselves by turning every 1 paragraph piece of information into a 5 page listicle with ads splattered all over the place. I don’t think AI search stuff would be nearly as popular if websites didn’t make their content impossible to view.

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      Those aren’t the valuable sites, though. They’re content/SEO farms whose main purpose is to serve ads to eyeballs for profit. Many of those ads are hosted by Google themselves.

      And which tech giant threw up their hands and let those shit-tier websites take over search results… I’ll give you one guess.

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      Maybe it could actually fix microslops crappy online documentation library, thats pro customer.

      Relink all the broken links, fix outdated information from patches where they never bothered updating it.

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 🇮 @pawb.social
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    Hell, even before the AI summsary, the “at a glance” short blurb shown of the page on a Google search generally had enough of the information I was looking for that I almost never had to click into the whole page.

    The AI summary conflating contradictory info into a single cohesive looking response makes it more likely that I will view the cited source to see what it actually said vs what the shittastic Gemini agent cobbled together.

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      My wife works at a library. People constantly come in asking to use the library fax machine, because Google’s AI says they have one.

      They don’t have one. Their website says they don’t have one. But LLMs have determined it’s plausible for libraries to have a fax machine, so Google tells people that they have one.

      You’d be surprised at the number of people who can’t accept that people working at the library know more about the library than Google.

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        I’ve had this experience myself; I’m an American living in the Netherlands and sometimes just don’t know the name for the thing I need nor where to buy one. LLM bots are fine for the translation part, but they will make wild assumptions like telling me I can buy a kitchen strainer at the hardware store or food spices at a place called Kruidvat which translates to spice-bucket basically but is actually most like CVS without the pharmacy and does not sell any food besides some candy and chips.

        It’s hilarious how quickly these bots can swing from super useful to actually harmful to trust.

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        Well of course. Telling me im wrong is an attack on me. Im good not bad so dont deserve to be attacked. So anyone attacking me is bad and a liar and erong.

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          Lol I’m sure that would end badly. Remember that QAnon crazy guy that fired shots at that pizza restaurant demanding to see the basement where they kept the kids tied up?

          Google is basically a conspiracy theorist peddler at the point.

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      Also very lengthy all the time. It can’t really summarise without rambling. It’s in no way succinct and too chatty. Verbose, you might say. Garrulous even. Loquacious, if you prefer. Needs to pipe down. Can’t rein it in. Doesn’t shut the fuck up.

      Let’s dig into that.

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        That’s the biggest problem in my opinion. They are scary good at generating text. But there’s effectively no filter, it’s just an endless stream of vaguely plausible text, true or false. And unfortunately, humans are prone to think “wow that’s a lot of text, they must’ve done their research and put in tons of effort!” because historically that was for the most part true.

        For example: all those guys who say “AI made me 10x more productive” are almost certainly measuring it by lines of code. As we all know, more code is almost inevitably an unmaintainable buggy mess.

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          That’s the biggest problem in my opinion.

          no, the biggest problem is they are stealing someone else’s work and making money with it, depriving the original author reward for their work.

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          I mean, LLMs are quite literally random word generators with weighted input. The one thing they do best is generate random strings of words according to the rule set defined within the model.

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          It didn’t made me more produvtive but it for sure made me save a LOT of time writing boilerplate code

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          As we all know, more code is almost inevitably an unmaintainable buggy mess.

          …and 10x longer than it needs to be.

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        They think people use A Lot of words because websites use A Lot of words because if they don’t then google deems the total page content lesser and drops its ranking (the ol “personal blog entry on a recipe” trope)

        The machine whaargaarbles to please the humans based on the humans who wharrrgarbled to please the machine.

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      _Oh wow, I was reading some other websites to summarize this one, and apparently their competitor (who happened to pay for ad placement on this websites name plus url) says this website throws puppies into volcanos!

      Oh, and you need to eat 6 rocks a day for your nutrition.

      Was this summary helpful, or do you also throw puppies into volcanos?_

  • Just inside that door is a Home Alone level of ad boobytraps you have to endure before the shop owner smashes you in the shins with an email newsletter appeal. Only then can you actually shop for a bit before a pop-up ad spider falls on you from the rafters.

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      “Hi we noticed you’re running an adblocker. You’ll have to turn that off to see our site”

      I call that one the ol’ go fuck yourself.

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      Yes, but surely Google’s plan long term is to be the one placing those ad booby traps and taking the money from that shopkeep, but obviously not in an evil way, that’d be weird.

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      And when you try to head for the door, it opens a few inches before slamming shut, forcing you to stay in the store. Even looking that direction? Yep, another newsletter pop up.

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      🤷

      What really scares me are IT-illiterate politicians who swallowed the US generated narrative that AI is the next big thing, hook, line and sinker. And the waste of resources AI is adding to our already ravaged global ecosystem.

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        I see it as the last attempt and economical hail mary of the USA to stay on top of on the world stage. They know China is gaining if not surpassing the USA in more and more areas. It’s either dominate with AI or become second tier player, like the UK after they lost their empire, and USA doesn’t do second tier so they bet the farm on this. Not that different from how Trump is trying to control the world’s oil supply with his adventures in the gulf region and trade with his tariffs. Those too might not have been the best bets.

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      The number of times I’ve seen AI overviews directly contradict the source material…

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        “The ideal number of cigarettes to smoke while pregnant is 2-3 a day!”

        “Yes, you should eat one small rock a day to stay healthy!”

        • Paraphrased as i cbf looking up the exact quotes from AI.
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    It’s crazy to me how far we’ve gotten away from sanity. How long until Google starts fucking with summaries and inserting corporate opinions because a website contains content capitalism doesn’t align with? Like a website about anti-Zionism for example.

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      How long? Brother, controlling the narrative is the entire point of why AIs are being shoved down your throat

      Wow the masses with their Mechanical Turk, then pull the strings behind the scenes whenever you need to tip the scale in your favor. Drive engagement with your product? Sus out new innovations that could threaten your business model? Manufacture consent for your international apartheid resource extraction project? Stifle populist grassroots political movements at home?

      You already know it’s true because you laugh about Grok every time it truth-dunks on Elon. We’re all collectively like “wow he can’t even control it enough to share his warped PR version of reality” which means we fucking know why these things exist: to gaslight the human race to the will of the capitalist ruling class

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        But finding and synthesizing information is so hard. Not all of us are nerds who like spending all day on this stuff you know whats next stop using facebook products?

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    Worst is when is uses phrases like “widely accepted” for questions I ask that are open-ended. Also Gemini completely makes up stuff when it comes to configuring settings in DAW and Davinci Resolve in my experience.

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    How about I summarise it? That way you don’t have to deal with a cookie popup, a news letter popup, a signin with google popup, a request to send notifications to your browser popup, a back button that doesnt take you back to your previous page, and ads between every other paragraph.

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      Browsing the modern internet without uBlock origin and maybe a cookie consent blocker is truly a horrible experience.

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      There are some good arguments to be made that Google happily pushed this development along, maybe even created it. Never forget, they’re formost an ad broker. Everything else is just a means to that end.

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      This, and newspaper writing style which endlessly beats around the bush, actually are the reasons for the mainstream accepting AI summaries. AI summaries only work because the Internet is a hellscape of intentionally bad UX with site-owners being hostile towards their users.

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        The waffling happens because otherwise google drops their ranking and won’t give them traffic .

        Search engine optimisation is satan’s arsehole and has absolutely wrecked the internet…but it’s only happening because of google.

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        Real newspaper writing style doesn’t beat around the bush.

        SEO-optimization writing style does beat around the bush, because they have to try to “organically” mention all the keywords that might bring someone to the page. They also need to make it longer so there are more places to insert ads.

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      Don’t forget the requests for location access that the site totally definitely needs…

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      How the FUCK are people okay with the sign in with Google pop up?

      If you have any sign up with Google it adds itself to your site. Then it hijacks the user session by showing a large dialogue over your content. No, you can’t disable that, and if you do they might block visitors from finding your site. They might not, but maybe they will.

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          I mean for most people it makes sense.

          No one wants to make another account for the hundredth time.

          I always do because I don’t trust Google et AI not to lock me out but the account creation friction of the modern web sucks.

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    Google doesn’t try to stop you from visiting a website. It tries to answer your query directly, which may mean it’s no longer necessary to visit the website.

    A more realistic scenario is someone asking, “hey, what’s 20 ounces in grams?” Then there’s a “website” that wants to invite you in and tell you all about unit conversion, and show you tables for how many tonnes are in a ton, etc. Meanwhile “Google” just says “566.99”. It started doing that sort of thing back in 2012, long before the AI boom started. Many of those info cards (like unit conversions) don’t use LLMs and are actually really handy.

    Having said that, yeah, it’s devastating to websites that were free to use and ad supported and depended on traffic to survive. And, because humans are thrifty, websites that weren’t free to use mostly disappeared a long time ago. I don’t know what the solution is. But, I don’t think it’s “prevent Google from answering your question if it is capable of doing so”.

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      In your example, many browsers will do simple math or conversions in the address bar without AI, and google gave that same answer prior to AI with a simple conversion menu box that showed up as you said. It still does sometimes depending on the question.

      More realistically it would be “How long is a Boeing 747?” Now an AI will give you a length range and offer that there are different 747 models manufactured in different years, etc.

      So instead of clicking on an ad-supported “aviation info” site like you say, odds are the asker will just take the provided summary and not proceed any further, or refine the question to a specific model that again an AI will probably answer, even possibly ironically scraping the content from the very same “aviation info” site that would have received your click 5 years ago, but now google gets the view and the site doesn’t.

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      The websites only obscure the answer because google would run the query and present the answer in the summary without giving them a click through.

      Content theft has been going on much much longer than you realise.