I’m seeing a bunch of posts insinuating that this most recent assassination attempt was fake. Why do people think this? I’m out of the loop.
If for no other reason, his crooked mouthpiece gave a warning before the dinner that there was going to be a shooting.
In context it doesn’t seem like much of a warning. “Shots fired” is an idiom, freedictionary.com defines it as follows:
a humorous phrase used to acknowledge that someone has said or done something insulting or argumentative.
When you look at the quote in context that seems to be how she is using the term
It’s a lack of trust in institutions on full display. Rather it was faked or not doesn’t matter, no one would put it past the antics of this administration and no one trusts the narrative or the investigators. It doesn’t matter who comes out or what they say. Once the trust is broken we’re cooked and every event will turn into conspiracy time.
There are a few videos out there that break down the… let’s say questionable or highly suspicious series of coincidences that trail behind the shooting, as well as the kneejerk reaction from the right in response that raises some eyebrows, so I would say just go watch those. People are really latching onto flimsy evidence for this one. I haven’t seen anything really convincing yet that would suggest that the government orchestrated a false flag attack, and I feel like this administration is too incompetent to be able to handle a covert operation of that nature without fumbling it badly.
I like to lean on the side of Occam’s Razor and say that it’s pretty likely that in a country with hundreds of millions of people and hundreds of millions of guns and a very publicly hated president, it’s not that surprising that a few of those people have tried to kill him and got close enough to try. As far as security goes, yes it was a much lower security detail but the shooter was also apprehended at basically the first possible security checkpoint and Trump and the dinner guests were never in any danger. The security worked exactly as it should have.
“feel like this administration is too incompetent to be able to handle a covert operation of that nature without fumbling it badly”
I respect your opinion & respectfully disagree. My views on top tier hierarchic secrecy changed after learning about the Lewis Powell memo while listening to The Lever’s Master Plan podcast & simultaneously reading Gareth Gore’s Opus.
Yes, the people in front of the cameras are bumbling, sometimes alcoholic, idjits, however it’s the very wealthy people we don’t see or know of that really scare me.
My views on top tier hierarchic secrecy changed after learning about the Lewis Powell memo while listening to The Lever’s Master Plan podcast & simultaneously reading Gareth Gore’s Opus.
Is this supposed to mean anything?
My reason is that he read from a prepared statement shortly after the incident and that he used this as his reason to promote the unwanted ballroom that he seems so desperately to want. I could be wrong but, based on his moral character, I think it’s a big fake.
- It came on the heels of a court case that said Trump could only build his ballroom if there was a legitimate security concern (and all the right wing media had posts ready for ballroom support)
- He (Trump) had never attended before now
- The response from the SS seemed… lacklustre at best.
- Karoline Leavitt said that everyone should watch because there would be shots fired.
- He (the shooter) was entirely ineffectual.
- Right wing women are so botox’ed that no one could see them being upset; right wing men were standing behind their wives.
Personally… fake is not exactly the answer, but it’s oh so convenient, and given that people were sending in tips about him before this, I suspect that if they hadn’t wanted this to happen, they’d have done security normally and he’d have been removed from the premises before he shot. But maybe I’m just underestimating how bad the US government’s security has become since they fired so many people.
Also Karoline Leavitt’s husband gave a weird warning to a female journalist before the dinner started, as if he knew that something was going to happen.
I don’t think it was fake.
I think they knew it (or something dramatic) was going to happen with plenty of warning and deliberately allowed it to play out for dramatic effect. That was unenthusiastic and unhurried securing of the leadership.
It’s my belief that 9/11 was like that too. I don’t think the US government orchestrated it, but I think they sat back and let it happen.
Anyone who thinks Cheney and friends were above letting a few thousand people die to garner support for another war in the middle east is pretty naive.
They did know there was a threat. That is completely true.
Problem is there were lots of threats.
They couldn’t separate the real threat from the noise.
No, it wasn’t deliberate, but it was a failure of the intelligence community.
I think this is more likely than it being full on staged
I suspect the guy in question was identified as somebody who might try something stupid, not competent enough to pull it off, and possibly encouraged to try by an undercover agent.
Yeah like those “terrorists” that undercover agents encourage in online forums to do radical things, then those agents “bust” them with a random assortment of pipe bombs or something.
The actual reason, which no one seems willing to admit, is because it’s an easier narrative to weaponise against Trump and MAGA. “Yes we are really trying to kill your hero but keep failing” is kind of hard to use in an internet flame war, but “you guys know he’s just using this to distract from the Epstein files, right?” is a hook that can work on some Trump supporters, who are often very conspiratorial themselves and quite obsessed with the release of the Epstein stuff. In addition, there’s this sort of cognitive dissonance going on here for many people who believe they are on the side of the moral and just, but also condemn violence (including political violence). They can’t accept that people from “their side” might actually be trying to commit murder, so instead they look for explanations that can flip it back to the black and white narrative of “we are the good guys and they are the bad guys”.
The same thing happened with the Brian Thompson and Charlie Kirk murders. Some people cannot cope with the reality that not everyone on “their side” lines up perfectly with their values, so instead they create and believe in a conspiracy theory that frames them as victims of a right-wing plot to damage their public reputation and imprison their members.
That 3 people in the US, a nation with a long history of extreme gun violence and political assassinations, may have attempted to assassinate the most divisive and dangerous president in the nation’s history during a period of extremely toxic and violent political discourse is actually a very rational and logical explanation for the three attempted shootings. Unless your entire identity is bound to this stuff and you simply can’t accept the above premise, there is really no reason to go looking for alternative conspiracies to explain what is happening.
Yeah, this seems to be the right explanation. I thought that since so many people seemed to be buying into this that there might be some evidence of something suspicious going on, but so far I’ve read through most of these comments and I’ve they are all pretty underwhelming. There doesn’t seem to be any strong evidence of foul play here.
For example a lot of people are going on about how his press secretary said there would be “shots fired” beforehand. But when you actually look at it in context it’s clear that she was just saying that as a figure of speech, saying that Trump was gonna land some zingers. But most people leave this context out of it.
Then only thing I’ve seen that is mildly suspicious is that some reporter on Fox News said she was told to “be safe” or something then her phone connection was lost. But even that is pretty underwhelming. Like, I tell people to be safe even if they are just going out after dark or something. It’s not that weird of a thing to say. And phone lines do get disconnected while people are on the air, you hear it happen all the time on the radio for example.
Most conspiracy theories have some grain of truth or believable aspect to them, that’s part of the reason why people can latch on to them. Trump has a long history of fabricating stories and feeding them to the media to manipulate his public image. However, even if people think it’s a credible explanation here, they are overlooking how much more credible the simple explanation is.
it is designed to satiate the magat-y voters. everyone else, both outside and inside that are not conservative already see through his bs.
Because this was Trump’s reaction to the gunshots.
He knew. Melenomia didn’t.
Also, here you can see Trump hiding behind a curtain, reveling in his kayfabe.
He would have been removed from the area by the Secret Service if there was an actual threat.
if she can make a face from all that botox, she is definitely surprised.
speculating, it happened 2 other times with the same exact pattern. and almost no followup, also its always at a critical time when epstein files are being released, and plus the iran war, its going so badly that they arnt even showing the damage to US bases in the middle east.
also its almost always a right wing rando, hmm no LEFTIST so they can pin on them, thats why they dont blast this over the news 24/7, because right wingers are the mass shooters 100% of the time.
not only that the suspicious activity both before and during the shooting. like karoline leavitt foreshadowing a shooting hours before. the general non-chalant reaction by trump.
also its almost always a right wing rando
Wouldn’t the idea of the attempted assasins being right wing speak against the idea of staging the assassination attempts? Half of Trump’s entire appeal and platform is victimhood so surely if you’re going to pretend someone tried to kill you, you’d pretend it was someone from the opposing side to your own politics to extract as much political capital from the incident as possible.
Is that not what the right-wing media does?
Because Non-MAGA isn’t really smarter than MAGA.
People like to act like they are, but they’re really not.
People are idiots.
This seems like an organized propaganda campaign to simply disrupt and people are falling for it.
It’s likely not fake but Russia and China have official policies for spreading firehose of falsehoods whenever anything happens. They don’t even have to invent anything just amplify enough for grifters and memers to take off from there.
We are so fucked and people have just given up on finding reality sadly.
Even journalists are losing it. 60 minutes doing interview immediately without any research or preparation or time for story to develop is peak nail in the coffin for our information landscape. It’s literally the slow journalist group and they couldn’t slow down. We didn’t even need AI.
who do you think trump learned it from, PUTIN, putin has done quite a few false flags since the ukraine war and before that too.
Doesn’t matter whether it was real, or fake. Although, if it was real, then the Secret Service really fell down on the job. A very well-known venue, with all the time to prepare--what the fuck happened there? It could have been set up, without Trump, or the Secret Service knowing about it. The shooter might have had help from someone high up in the administration. So, not “fake”, but not a “lone gunman”, either.
All that matters is he missed.
Although, if it was real, then the Secret Service really fell down on the job.
I heard they caught the guy at the first security checkpoint, or is that not true
“There will be some shots fired ronight”
Mainly because he’s using it as an excuse to imply he needs his stupid ballroom because of national security.
That “ballroom” is a data center.
How does one become this stupid?
When you repeatedly lie and act like an AH about some pretty major stuff, why would you expect people to believe ANYTHING you claim? 🤷♀️ Be more of a surprise if the guy ever spoke for 3 minutes without a single lie at this point lol
There seems to be a coordinated effort to push this theory. I don’t know if it’s strictly Lemmy or if it’s also on Facebook and Reddit as well.
It’s hard to say exactly what they are trying to accomplish. Do they want to actually convince other people that it’s a conspiracy, or do they want to give the impression that lots of people believe in a conspiracy? I couldn’t say.
Because it has more than enough plausibility based on a number of statements and observations that are well documented?
It’s not particularly plausible. If you want to stage a shooting, you’d either kill the “shooter” or avoid capturing them.
… regardless, another theory is that this is hate spamming. Alot of these poorly implemented misinformation campaigns serve no purpose other than to torment a person or organization. The lemmy administrators did recently get into a spat with someone who seems…motivated and unique.
The lemmy administrators did recently get into a spat with someone who seems…motivated and unique.
What happened here?
Something involving Israel. In my country at least, people who hyper focus on Israel tend to have a lot going on. Expressing any opinion on the issue always leads to controversy and drama. It’s best just not to have an opinion.
