In the Lord of the Rings fandom there’s a persistent debate whether balrogs, or Durin’s Bane specifically, have wings. The text in Fellowship is ambiguous whether what it is describing are literal wings or something else wing-like.

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    Star Trek (Voyager): Was it murder to split Tuvix back into Tuvok and Neelix?

    I’ve got a long and complex possible solution to offer regarding this ethical clusterfuck, and I’m willing to elaborate if someone’s interested to hear it.

    Edit (possible solution): Voyager’s database should include the Enterprise D’s information regarding Riker’s duplication incident. While Voyager’s crew already found a way to separate Tuvix, they could’ve searched for a possibility to repeat that process and then split back the copy Tuvix a few milliseconds into the original Tuvok and Neelix before said copy became self-aware.

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      I’ve heard of 8, 4, and even 3 which is pretty crazy… how could it possibly be 2!?

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        2 spaces is pretty common in JavaScript… And I think I remember it being pretty standard in HTML way back when. Screens used to be smaller, with low resolution. 4 spaces was a luxury.

        Isn’t 2 spaces the standard in Ruby? I don’t use it, but I’ve heard such things.

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      I might have the solution: Elastic Tabs. They di what tabs were always meant to do from the start, whilst also fixing the shortcomings that spaces are currently used to fill.

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      However many I feel like that day. Sometimes depends on the language and use case - if it tends to be deeply indented, I’d gravitate towards 2.

      If using actual tabs, you can change how they appear just for yourself without touching the actual code; the same can’t be said about spaces.

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        I was trying to stay out of the fray but this one I feel I have to respond to:

        tabs, you can change how they appear just for yourself without touching the actual code; the same can’t be said about spaces.

        This is why I use spaces. A space is a space everywhere, a tab depends too strongly on the editor. I’ve had too many times where I had to edit on a different machine and it transmogrified my tabs into a different non-character entity in a way that didn’t reveal itself until later.

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          I can kind of see your point if you’re speaking from a devops/sysadmin’s point of view (i.e. something that would require you to use default editors on the go on systems that you don’t necessarily have control over).

          Other than that, a tab’s principal purpose is indentation. One tab is one level of indentation regardless of how it appears. If a tab gets transformed into something else, it sounds like a text encoding problem and indentation would then be just one of (and possibly the smallest of) several possible issues.

          I’m speaking from a web dev’s point of view - I’m assuming that I’ll always have my own configured editor on hand and I’ll be able to tell it that one tab is N spaces, sometimes even differently for different file types in the same project. Worst that could happen is that I don’t have a specific configuration and the editor just falls back to the default until I set otherwise. Since I’m working in a team, using spaces for a source controlled project would mean that everyone has to use the same. Having tabs means that everyone can configure it for themselves (assuming editor configs don’t go in the repo).

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    I collect coins, and there’s always debates about what a coin is.

    For those who don’t know, a coin is usually defined as an object with legal tender status somewhere; as opposed to a token that has a face value but is issued by a non-state actor; and a medal, which is anything that looks like a coin but doesn’t have any face value.

    Now, aside from the expected debate over what is and isn’t a state, there’s also the issue of NIFC (not intended for circulation) coins. Many mints sell coins that are legal tender, but are never put into circulation, some people (often those that could be characterised as “old school”) take the position that as these aren’t intended to be used as legal tender, they aren’t really coins.

    It doesn’t help that there are tiny island nations like Niue and Samoa that will basically let companies make anything legal tender if they pay them. This leads to the rather silly situation where a batarang, and a literal statue of hogwarts, are technically “coins”. (I’ve been told this is done as a import tariff dodge as the USA doesn’t charge import taxes on coins)

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    Cooking:

    Aioli is made with oil and no egg. If it includes egg, it is a mayonnaise.

    Many people just call everything “aioli” these days, even if it’s technically a mayonnaise.

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        It is absolutely an aioli. You just have to de-emulsify it, separate out the egg, and then emulsify the non-mayonnaise ingredients. It’s not like it’s chemistry or entropy or whatever.

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      I don’t think that’s an internal debate, I think everyone who understands about the topic knows the difference between aioli and garlic mayo. It’s people from outside that use the wrong term, so not really an internal debate.

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        That’s not been my experience. I think a lot of people feel like it’s lesser to call their dip a mayonnaise, so they call it an aioli. Especially at restaurants.

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            I’m pretty sure you’re being sarcastic, but I’d passionately back this stance. Emulsions are a goddamn art, and need to be respected for their insane range and joy.

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          Sure, but that’s just the restaurant trying to sound fancier than they are, they know it’s not aioli. It’s like when they say they have wasabi but bring you a paste, there’s no debate that wasabi is a root but that most restaurants will serve you a green paste that has 0% wasabi in it. Which is why places that serve real wasabi or aioli usually have it listed as “real wasabi” or “real aioli”, both to clarify they’re using the correct term and not the popular one and to warn people as both aioli and wasabi taste different from the mass produced garlic mayo and mustard paste restaurants usually serve.

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          Yep, this.

          Anyone who hasn’t should give it a try. Takes a bit of mixing to get it emulsified (you could probably do it in a food processor), but aoili is so delicious and underappreciated, at least here in the US. Add some salt and a touch of lemon. Dip some roasted veggies in there. Yum.

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        Garlic is an emulsifier, less potent than egg, but still an emulsifier. Which means true aioli is EXTREMELY garlicky (as it is almost 50% garlic), it loses some potency over time like most garlic things, but freshly made aioli is something you don’t put a lot of (and may be part of the reason most restaurants don’t serve it)

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    Should the hobby continue to be about both the act of printing and tinkering with printers, or is there a reasonable place for people who want “3D printing” as a hobby but not “3D printers” as a hobby. As part of this, is it okay for a company to lock down its firmware and prevent people from using their printer over a network without going through their software first?

    Bambu Lab has made remarkable progress in “mainstreaming” 3D printing but they’ve done so at the expense of a lot of the “soul” of the space. Unlike many of their consumer-facing predecessors and competitors, they are closed-source and proprietary. They make a good product, but you don’t get to have control over it the same way you do with other brands. And that just means other brands are likely to follow suit, now that Bambu Lab has shown it to be an effective strategy.

    I mourn the loss of common purpose the hobby once had, but at the same time I do think it’s a natural progression for something new and complex to eventually become consumer-grade. Look at how computers have evolved into rectangles we keep in our pockets.

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      I want the printing to be the hobby, not the printer, but I also don’t want the consumer-hostile stuff that Bambu is doing to spread.

      I’m stuck with an A1 mini and don’t know where to go from here. I’m not an engineer and haven’t had much luck designing anything more complex than a single static part, and I think you really have to be good at making your own stuff for a printer to be a good purchase. But at the same time I’d really like more than a 7x7x7 inch build volume.

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        and I think you really have to be good at making your own stuff for a printer to be a good purchase.

        It really depends on what you want to use it for. I have the skills to make decently complicated parts to print, but 9 times out of 10 I’ll just see if someone has already made something similar and use that instead. If you know you’re gonna be prototyping a bunch of things or testing weird shit out then yeah you should probably know how to operate a CAD program, but if your use case is, “this plastic thing on my very common appliance broke, I wonder if I can print a replacement?” or “these little flexible dragon things are cute” then you just need to know how to use a search bar and your slicer.

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          if your use case is, “this plastic thing on my very common appliance broke, I wonder if I can print a replacement?” or “these little flexible dragon things are cute” then you just need to know how to use a search bar and your slicer.

          I’ve designed a few things, like these pill bottle holders.

          Red 3d printed pill bottle holder

          I’ve also “reverse engineered” (It’s literally just a wedge) a doorstop that works surprisingly well. I keep misplacing ours at work.

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            Those simple designs are the foundation of the more complex ones you will create in the future. If you have need and determination, you can design anything!

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      I keep falling out of the hobby because I don’t want a printer to be my hobby - I want printing to be my hobby. But no matter how many times I try to pick it back up, my printer never produces a good print.

      I’m on the other end of the swing again - looking for tuning tutorials to help get my cr10 printing well. I am very open to suggestions.

      I do like tinkering with the printer, and I do want that control, but eventually it gets to a point where I just want it to work

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      I think it’s like cars for car guys vs cars for people who just want to get from place to place. I started with Elegoo and got really sick of all the fiddling it took to get a decent print. I got a Bambu and it just works. I know it’s a “walled garden” but in the end I can print whatever model I want and it comes out great most of the time.

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      I have it deliniated into 3d printing hobbieiests and 3d printer hobbieiests. Printing people are about what the printer makes Printer people are about building and making the printer do more and more.

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    Mycology is full of them which are mostly the result of genetic sequencing and the good old “where do you draw the line between species” question but a recent and high visibility one is the Collybia shift.

    Before genetic testing, Collybia was a genus characterized by smallish pale-spored mushrooms with convex caps, no ring, and gills which are broadly attached to the stem (the simplest shape the average person would imagine for a mushroom), this became one of the classic “statures” of mushrooms “Collybioid”. As we sequenced Collybia species, they were slowly moved into other Collybioid genera like Collybiopsis and Gymnopus. Eventually this resulted in most of the Collybioid mushrooms being moved out of Collybia, leaving only the earliest-discovered mushrooms in the genus which were tiny parasitic mushrooms that weren’t really Collybioid at all.

    Here’s an average “Collybioid” mushroom Gymnopus sp.

    Then things got worse, a recent paper did a study on genus Clitocybe which is another genus which has a classic stature named after it, “Clitocyboid” which refers to smallish pale-spored, funnel-shaped, mushrooms with gills that run down the stem. This paper discovered that nearly everything we had been calling “Clitocybe” actually belonged in Collybia meaning that most mushrooms in Collybia are now Clitocyboid instead of Collybioid. This has resulted utter chaos which has some mycologists considering invoking the “common usage” rules in taxonomy to put the new Collybias back into Clitocybe to make things less confusing. This chaos has been compounded by the fact that iNaturalist has already accepted this name change, but only for the mushrooms explicitly studied in the paper and not their known relatives which has resulted in the Blewits being split between Collybia and Lepista (which itself was a recent name change from Clitocybe that everyone was still adjusting too).

    Average nondescript Clitocyboid (no ID because these are nearly impossible):

    A Blewit, AKA Clitocybe/Lepista/Collybia nuda:

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      alot of plants phylogeny is like this, they looked similar enough they are the same species, after doing enough testing, mostly mitochondria, choloroplast they actually are combined into one genus or move into another one. my favorite is mycoheterotrophs(plants that are entirely dependant fungi rather than photosynthesis), thismiaciae was originally though to have evolved in burmannia family,and then thier own family and then back again.

      finally in the 2020s they realized even thismiacae is polyphyletic. so now south americans thismia’s are likely belonged to another genus entirely(they havnt done significant phylogenetic studies in the SA ones)(seperate from the ones in south east asia, australia, and 1 extinct one in usa which makes it very unusual for it to appear in america), thismiacae is now a full family, and afrothismia was originally included in thismia, until they genetic testing, its entirely “new family” interdependently evolved but related to the ancestors of thismia. trying to trace lineage of mycoheterotrophic plants is difficult because they lose thier cholorplast genes quite easily.

      its only because they all looked very similar to each other, they were all combined into one family.

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        My friend is a palaeobotanist and recently tried to see if I (a microbiologist) could understand her presentation on taxonomy for ancient plants. I found it very weird to find out that the different parts of the plant retain the names they were described as even when integrated into the plant as a whole.

        Like if you find a dino skull and call it ‘skullosaurus’ then somebody finds a femur and calls it ‘femurdon’ then later finds both in the same fossil, ‘femurdon’ gets retired and the whole thing is ‘skullosaurus’.

        But with plants you can separately describe a female organ as ‘femonia’, a male organ as ‘maleonanthus’ and a leaf as ‘leafopteris’. Then somebody finds they belong to the same plant and not only do you just get to pick what to call the plant somewhat arbitrarily based on the organ prevelance, age, leaf or even an entirely new name but the original parts still keep their old names as separate taxa. I still can’t get my head around this ‘whole plant hypothesis’ thing…

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          oh yea i noticed the nomenclature/naming is very wierd for some plants. like in thismia, they have 5 different lineages, so they name it "section thismia, or another name based on thier morphology and later phylogenetic data. eventhough they have an established genus name,SECT geomitra, labiothismia,etc, which isnt a genus but it was originally named because thats the first specimen they found of a specific species. they call alot species phyllocladus, because the “leaf” is actually the stem, but its also the genus name. im guessing plants are complicated/ or look similar enough to each other you cant tell the difference until you do genetic testing, which they dont do on alot of plant lineages, like the mycoheterotrophs i mentioned, they are tricky to resolve.

          and the genus is sometimes generic named like phyllocladus, xerophyta(an actual genus). oh yea paleontology is probably easier to resolve, if you can find extant or extinct animals that are similar, and just name it in the same genus.

          orchids are also a fun family of plants , especially if you notice they are all mycoheterotrophs to begin with, its just the ones we see switch to full photosynthesis, but some are mixotrophs, and some loss thier chlorophyll entirely.

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            Its so confusing. My friend gave me permission to share her slides on it, its just a few but I think it helped me understand.

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              it is confusing, so it seems the name is based off the researchers description of the first and the last one who finds the new species, and feminize/masculinize the name too. it also seems theres not consensus as a standard for it, and can change at any time with new research. like with some plants like dracaena and sansierva, the latter absorbed into the former it gets more confusing.

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    Programming and Linux. Oh boy, what to pick…

    Terminal text editors: VIM vs Emacs is the main debate there. (There are others but these are ones people argue the most about)

    Linux Distros: Arch, Debian, Mint, CachyOS, …

    Init Systems: Systemd vs OpenRC. Honestly, probably the most toxic debate on this list.

    Programming Languages: Python, Shell, but the heated one is C vs Rust

    A non-exhaustive list of ones I couldn’t think of a category for:

    • Tiling vs Floating Window Managers
    • Chromium vs Gecko-based browsers
    • Bash vs Zsh vs Fish

    I love computers and Linux, but man, the amount of toxic in-fighting and gatekeeping is a real turnoff. Just use what you want. At the end of the day, we are all nerds doing what we love.

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      I am team…

      • Nano

      • Arch

      • Systemd, I don’t see what the fuss is about that TBH

      • I don’t wanna even touch that one lol

      • I like the carousel kind of things like Karousel or Niri

      • Gecko (Librewolf, Floorp etc.)

      • Zsh

      But yeah I agree, everyone should just do what they want. Having lots of options is one of my favourite things about Linux.

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        heretic! the only dogmatically correct setup is

        • helix
        • fedora
        • systemd
        • rust
        • whatever fits your workflow
        • gecko
        • nushell
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        actually prefer Windows

        I don’t understand. I recognize the words, but in that order, they make no sense.

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          Nobodymost people on Lemmy don’t prefers Windows. FTFY

          Linux users need to stop assuming everyone is wrong for needing things that Linux can’t do at all or doesn’t do well. I need accessibility. Linux doesn’t do it well. Over a decade and a half of trying to make it work has proven that. Some people need Adobe or MS Office (even though many may not like it), and Linux doesn’t do that at all. They’re not wrong, their needs differ from yours.

          And it doesn’t matter whose “fault” it is. Apple fanboys do this, too. If an OS doesn’t offer something you need, that’s where the conversation ends. They don’t care what internal politics at the vendor or lack of community interest by Linux devs or whatever lead to the thing they need not working. All they care about is that it doesn’t work.

          And no, they’re not going to take night classes to get a comp-sci degree so they can code the drivers that their peripheral needs.

          “What’s that, you need a claw hammer but I gave you a ball peen hammer? Pfffft, just become a blacksmith and forge your own hammerhead, it’s not THAT hard.” --Every Linux user

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          I prefer Windows. Every experience I’ve had with Linux has been a nightmare.

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    In the Sonic fandom, there’s a debate over which is the “authentic” Sonic: the Western version or the Japanese one. It’s not about design, but rather personality, values, and attitude.

    The thing is, the differences between the two are very subtle. Unless you’ve been in the fandom for years and have seen enough material on the subject, they’ll seem exactly the same to you.

    My opinion is that “It doesn’t matter”~♪. At this point, there are countless versions of Sonic (the classic, the modern, Sonic SatAm, Sonic X, Archie Sonic, IDW Sonic, Fleetway Sonic, Sonic Boom, Sonic Prime, Movie Sonic…), all with their differences, but in general they share the, let’s say, “essence”* of the hedgehog, and that’s what matters.

    *(If you’re not from Latin America, you won’t know how funny it is that I used that particular word)
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        Sonic has one of the most divisive fandoms I’ve ever seen.

        On the one hand, you have some very talented individuals like LakeFeperd, Stealth and Christian Whitehead who have created fan projects and original games that best Sega’s own efforts. But then you get the unhinged parts of the fandom, and then Chris Chan.

        I don’t like how the r/sonic, r/sonicthehedgehog and r/moonpissing subreddits have been getting littered with a mix of borderline softcore furry porn and comics focusing around cringe character ships lately.

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      Hm, authentic? in which sense? to some source material? how the character I’d integrated in the world? in regards to which one was first and how the other deviates? or is it a “quality” change of character thing?

      this is somehow interesting to me now. never really had contact with sonic

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        It is interesting by itself.

        It’s not so much about the source material, cuz in that case there would be no debate: the first Sonic was the Japanese one, period. The issue is more of an almost philosophical nature.

        Sonic loves freedom, but what is freedom? What would a completely free person do? Would a free person even have a moral code? If Sonic is free, is he a hero? Would a free person crack little Spider-Man-style jokes? If Sonic hates oppression, why would he work for the monarchy or the government?

        One could argue that the Japanese Sonic was the starting point and the Western version his evolution. When does something become or cease to be “authentic”? Is it authentic only at the beginning? Does it remain so until the end?

        Things get absurd and annoying when idiots come along to invalidate other people’s opinions and tastes by saying things like, “Your Sonic isn’t the real Sonic. The only legitimate Sonic is [insert favorite Sonic].” You know, the usual gatekeeping.

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    Punk/metal/goth/hardcore subcultures and the nature of gatekeeping, poseurs, “selling out”, politics, social causes, and scenes that started out as youth culture now approaching 50yrs of development and have oldheads who never left as well as their grandkids joining up. For the most part the 90s “sell-out” idea that finding mainstream success is betrayal is gone so long as the band continues to be who they always were, some bands are naturally talented and will breakthrough into broader appeal. Gatekeeping can keep a community safe from predators trying to gain access to spaces where youth and intoxicated adults are just trying to have a fun time without having to fear exploitation. Sometimes youth come in trying way too hard and miss the point, sometimes the oldheads forget they were try-hard kids at one point too and are missing the point. In the past year I’ve run into a 65yo in the pit next to sweaty teens and watched a Millennial mom take her 5yo daughter to the edge of the stage and gently lower her into a crowd of tattooed, mohawked, crusty strangers who came together and made sure she floated safely to her dad. Also seen some boneheads get their shit rocked, so for all the debates and bickering we’ve never forgotten what’s really important. Best time I’ve had in the scene in nearly 20yrs.

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    I can’t believe people still argue over whether or not Balrogs have wings when the text unambiguously says they do. You can have wings and also have a shadow that looks like wings.

    His enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings.
    
    ...suddenly it drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall...
    

    Like two vast wings but then he explicitly says its wings were spread, clearly stating it has wings. To be the most generous you could try to say the wings are made of shadows, but based on the text they’re clearly still wings.

    Yes, Balrogs have wings.

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      he establishes a simile in one sentence and reuses it further on. common writing trick.

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        Exactly. Writing the entirety of “shadows like two vast wings” twice would have been awkward for no reason. (Or it should be no reason, but apparently some people are incapable of understanding metaphor.)

        Balrogs - and I shouldn’t even have to say this - don’t have wings.

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          Everything about the creature is shadow, fire, and ash. So if his shadow extends like wings, then they’re wings, as shadow is literally part of a Balrog’s body.

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          It would not have been awkward, it would have been describing what heeamt had he meant that. Seems some people are incapable of understanding that these are magical beings who’s bodies may not be entirely made of material that we would expect.

          Balrogs - and I shouldn’t even have to say this - dohave wings.

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        He says they have wings. As I said, if you want to take that they are made of shadows you can, but they have wings.

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          not in the passage you quoted, no. i know he was meticulous about translation notes, is there anything in those?

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              are you still talking about the quote? because tolkien does that all throughout the books. he establishes that a thing is “like” something else, then refers to it by that other thing as shorthand for the sake of tone. or are you suggesting that “from wall to wall” is literal as well?

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              In that same passage we also get “Gandalf flew down the stairs”. Explicit, unambiguous evidence that Gandalfs have wings.

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      I don’t have an opinion on the matter. I’m much more into the worldbuilding and languages than the books themselves, though I’ve of course read and enjoyed them.

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        the Jackson adaptations also explicitly said that Arwen carried Frodo across the ford of Bruinen, that Eowyn was at Helm’s Deep, that Saruman died at Isengard, that Faramir took Frodo and Sam to Osgiliath as prisoners, that Pippin was the one who lit the beacon of Amon Dîn, that the hobbits returned to the Shire and it was more or less the same as they left it, and many other things that explicitly do not happen in the books. should we take all those as canonical too?

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      Balrogs have wings because how can you expect to go caving without fried chicken? And what’s the best part of the fried chicken? The skin. And what has the most chicken skin? The wings. Not fake boneless chicken nublet basket shit restaurant wings, real wings. So smart ol Balrog goes around trading drumsticks for wings. Of course he’s got wings. Quid. Pro. Quo.

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      Sims 4 is a good game (though not as good as 2 or 3) but it’s a bad experience due to shitty monetization practices like microtransactions.

      And personally I was very disappointed that “we’re getting rid of sliders” just meant getting rid of them visually, not the actual slider mechanics.

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      The original is my fav simply for the vibes. The music is great, the graphics are charming and the gameplay is simple and fun. Great expansion pack content too. I still have all the original CD copies from when I was a kid.

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      Pretty sure I still have 10GB of custom content for Sims 2 on my backup drive. I used to play it so much it took 15 minutes to load due to the sheer amount of mods lol.

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      Sims 2. 4 It’s a bit too complex and realistic for me. I like the very simple models and ideas behind the older games.

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      Did you know Sims 4 has certain low-tier items be less performant to ensure players buy more DLCs? Alsp I think early paychecks are smaller too, but that maybe art imitating life.

      That said, theoretically it was harder to survive in 2.

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      I was a massive SIMS2 player. When Sims3 came out and my dude walked away from the wall with the phone and sat on the couch I flipped my shit. Finally can increase social workout comfort going to hell. Haha

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    Woodworking: I have mentioned this a couple times in my lectures on this platform. Festool has a tool called the Domino. It’s the shape of a biscuit joiner but it’s got a router bit that it wags like a dog’s tail. It cuts a deep, narrow, short mortise that pre-made loose biscuits fit into.

    This tool is protected under patent so only Festool makes them. They sell two models, a small and a large. The small cost a thousand petrodollars.

    It’s very easy to use, it makes strong joints quickly, it’s impossible to afford.

    You’ll find there’s a crowd of purists who will spend that much on a chisel and won’t hear anything about it because it’s not “traditional joinery.” Floating tenons are thousands of years old, but okay. You’ve got beginners or hobbyists who can put together the basic tools and are upset when Youtubers use Dominos in projects. Most domino joints can be replaced with dowel joints, but okay. And you get the actual cabinet makers who go “I manufacture cabinets, this lets me do it faster, and time is money.” Which…fair enough.

    If you don’t own a plunge router, you don’t care.

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    There’s two in my hobbies.

    First is in DnD. I’m going to ignore the obvious version wars but a lot of people debate who is and isn’t fan of DnD. A lot of people just watch Critical Role or Dimension 20. Some in the community say that doesn’t count and you’re not a fan unless you actually play.

    My take is everyone is welcome, and if all you do is watch then I’ll just talk about storytelling with you and discuss mechanics with someone else.

    The other big one is Chinese fountain pens that clearly mimic more well known brands. Are they good pens? Should they be shunned? Does it matter since most of the brands haven’t made the specific model in ages? So much back and forth.

    My take here is some people will never have the money for a Pelikan M1000 and those who do are going to go for which writes better. There’s only so many ways a tube can be made unique.

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      Some in the community say that doesn’t count and you’re not a fan unless you actually play.

      yeah because if there’s anything the nerd community needs more of it’s bullying

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      I think the lack of personal time to pursue fulfilling hobbies and the general difficulty of finding a group of 4-8 players who have the sane consistent schedule is the primary bar of entry. The base rules of 5e are free, and anyone can download a dice rolling app for free. And barring that, pirating DnD books is stupid easy.

      There’s nothing wrong with enjoying a game you can’t always play. If that was the bar of entry, then everyone’s uncle who is super hyped about the Superbowl isn’t a football fan.

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      The other big one is Chinese fountain pens that clearly mimic more well known brands.

      Patent on the Pilot Vanishing Point as far as I can tell has expired and that Majohn (Moonman) and Jinhao have made cheaper versions.

      VPs are still bloody expensive for me and I don’t want to gamble and see if I like it for that much money (and try to sell i t off if I don’t like it).

      Turns out I like retractable fountain pens but the jinhaos and majohn one I suppose isn’t as well made and dry out quickly. From a bunch of reviews I’ve consumed they could be as good at not drying out but for the cheap price it’s a QC issue.

      So now what? Throw away perfectly fine cheap pens just to get the real one?

      But on the flip side, I have tried a Lamy 2000 and I love it and I know there are blatant copies and homages from the Chinese brands and I won’t get them.

      Hobbies are just weird.

      But at the end of the day, I think the cheap brands should he celebrated even copies because it’s a good entryway to the hobby. If a pen hasn’t been produced for decades, then someone else made new copies or homages, then I don’t blame anyone wanting those instead of having to hunt for vintage pens and hoping to restore it (by themselves or sending it to someone).

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        I think I mostly agree with you. If I ever see a Pilot myu clone I’m snagging it. Og or clone. They’re so rare that an original will never be in my budget. A clone would just let more people enjoy the pen.

        Not that I expect it to be cloned pretty much ever.

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    I’m into metal crafting and you have no idea how competitive it can get, currently the divide is between whether Bessemer or Cathode steel are superior for bintwork, it’s a form of ring chained gavel produced by different metallurgical processes and it is WILD how heated discussions get, it’s ridiculous considering that most practitioners are in their early teens and create the WORST drama, while us who have been at it since the 1960’s have to accept the sudden influx of kids into the mold because of the success of films such as “Steel Piston” and “Hot Rod”, and frankly I’m done with it and have decided to get into Wicca.