Ohio recently did the same thing. They have finally figured it out.
YES fuck tax breaking those bastards, they should be paying 2-3x taxes
Good!
Remember how Amazon had cities compete to host data centers pre-pan and they were full of shit because they weren’t the economic uplift they promised? It happened. You can find it if you search. I’m old and it’s getting late for me, so you’ll have to find it.
It’s not a secret. It’s kinda like how that shitty town in Wisconsin (I think?) city council ignored their constituents about a Foxconn factory that doesn’t make the shit they said they’d make. Trump lied about it in his first term. Why bother now, you can just lock up your enemies.
There was a great podcast ep about it from Reply All before they went out of business for some terrible (allegedly) work practices. The townsfolk were pissed off.
Conservatives and centrists learning from mountains of readily available information, about events that often happened within their own lifetimes? Good luck with that, and I really do mean it because we need it.
Well it’s not a ban but I guess not trying to lure them with more gifts is a baby step, kinda.
Good. While infrastructure like data centers is necessary, they should go through environmental and zoning considerations, alongside the consent of neighboring communities. The reckless construction of these places is also suspicious as fuck. Why do the wealthy need them NOW?
Personally, I feel that the rushing of datacenters is in service to Palantir, the ICE war machine, and the bunkers that the elite reside in.
Explain how data centers are necessary?
Normal data centers. Not the AI training ones. Archivng information is cool.
To run all sorts of cloud and internet traffic. Things like Youtube, Steam, Amazon Web Services, and so forth require a means to store, process, and transfer data. It is no different from the importance of industrial farms, warehouses, and factories. All of them are unpleasant but important, if we want a capable civilization.
In any case, the placement of a datacenter is the sort of thing that requires proper planning. Some water tables are better suited for sustaining the existence of a datacenter, while other water sources are key to ecosystems or communities. The problems with datacenters isn’t that they are datacenters, but rather their implementation is shoddy and shortsighted.
Eh the internet is a non necessary thing. I still see no reason for them.
You can’t have large scale modern communication without an interconnected system for computers to talk to each other. That’s all “the internet” is. So many things in the modern world require that level of information infrastructure, everything from banking to the way scientists share data to do research.
Would humanity go extinct without it? No, of course not.
Would there be massive systemic collapse of global trade and economies resulting in million of lives lost? Yes.
So “the internet” is very much necessary at the moment. Now if you’re talking about social media etc when you say internet… that’s a whole different conversation.
internet is a non necessary thing
Lmao
Datacenters are necessary for all digital infrastructure, like the internet and everything on it, including Lemmy. This comment of yours is stored in a datacenter.
The internet is not a necessary thing for human life. It was a mistake and we’d be better off without it.
If you actually believed that you wouldn’t be here.
Please lead the way and get off of it thene be the change you want to see.
Ok then get off of it.
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It is 110% in a datacenter. I know that for a fact.
“Your data center free trial period has ended. To continue building or using your data center, you will need to pay a subscription of [taxes, utilities, fines for noise violations…]”
🤌🍾🌈👌🤤😂
About goddamn time.
This is one reason why we need fewer billionaires in government. This should have happened a year ago.
Not that I disagree, but he’s worth about $3.9B.
There were tax breaks for a thing that exclusively harms the surrounding citizens? Wow. Good to see lobbyists for evil corpos are still convincing people.
Where are the “buh inevitable, buh just run someone else’s local” bros when stuff like this goes down?
I’m pro data center build out and why om earth there would be tax breaks in the first place?
Tax breaks are offered because data centres provide permanent, good paying jobs. /s
All 4 of them!
Blowing with the wind, is he? Someone inform me if this isn’t just pure posturing for voters.
Edit: Holy crap! What an interesting split on this comment. Look people, all I was trying to do was glean more info on what type of billionaire behavior this guy’s been exhibiting, and perhaps have a measured discussion on the subject. Truth be told, no billionaire or person of such excessive means can be trusted until separated from such wealth and means, and certainly all high profile politicians say the favorable thing and then do something else. I’d rather folks share what they know etc even just to approximate where this guy is on that scale; it’s interesting (and somewhat disappointing) that the middle ground I imagined (ie: has done some good, still don’t trust him) just really not represented here. I just don’t know where the bar is anymore. I do know that getting vitriolic and irrational, or conversely strongly supporting establishment types is ultimately distracting and a useful tool to those in power.
He recently did an interview with Heather Cox Richardson that lays his ideas out pretty clearly. He’s an interesting guy, and they talk a lot about what he’s already done and how and why, not about what he’s going to do. Which is to say it’s not the usual load of jam tomorrow political bullshit because he’s already done what he talked about doing. Listen (or read the transcript) for yourself.
For myself, I don’t want another fucking billionaire in power. But if it’s Pritzker I would make an exception, because while he’s not perfect he’s demonstrably worked (and is still working) very hard for his state and its people in the ways that matter right now. I am sure there are things he could do better or more of, but he’s doing a lot of things right, especially when it comes to building Illinois’ economy and protecting individual rights.
He’s also trying to make it as difficult as possible for the orange hitler to fuck with Illinois, and right now that’s a huge plus in my eyes, as it speaks to character: does a politician actually see all citizens as equal, and immigrants deserving of all their rights under the law in this country? Pritzker does, which is admittedly a low bar in itself but jesus fuck do some people currently in power manage to limbo under it these days. Or I could just say, “He’s not a fascist,” but it’s the same thing. Ten years ago I’d have laughed; today it’s at the top of my list of necessary qualifications for public office.
Or to put it another way, we regular Americans have never been so hated by those in power as we are right now, especially in the midwest and southeast: take a look at some of those governors and senators and appointees and tell me they don’t fucking loathe their own voter base. Pritzker is genuinely not among those that hate their own constituents: he seems to love Illinois and its people and it’s been working out well for Illinois.
JB has an excellent track record of passing legislation that benefits the working class and protects marginalized people. It’s evident that he cares for the people of IL and is trying to do what’s best.
He’s a billionaire, and therefore, almost certainly invested in LLM’s himself. Probably needed time to adjust his portfolio before making the move.
This should have happened a year ago at least.
Fuck JB Prickster. He does stuff “for the people” in Chicago, aka votes, then reverses course. On many things beneficial. Let’s destroy the outer grid with data centers around rural places cuz fuck them, and gives then incentives to stay here cheaply vs make money for the people of the state to, idk, say lower taxes or something.
His gas and grocery tax pause was for voting season. His ban on “assault” weapons was useless since they all come from out of state anyway. He’s VERY soft on crime, implementing cashless bail for many offenses. And his Private Equity is HEAVILY invested in many AI companies, so he going to profit off of their coming to IL anyway…
He’s not for the people, he’s for the likes to manipulate for his own gains…
He’s VERY soft on crime, implementing cashless bail for many offenses.
Whoops, looks like you put a good thing in you list of bad things.
Fuck the prison industrial system, and the poor tax that is bail.
For those not from Illinois, there is a very loud (also small) contingent from outside of Chicago who like to complaint that the entire state isn’t Chicago. They are usually republican and are mostly subsidized by the people who live in chicago paying taxes. They are deeply republican, and there is nothing that he or anyone else could do to make them happy. (Biggest tip off here is that he resorts to name calling and fox news talking points)
Is Pritzker perfect, no. But on the politician scale, he’s one of the better ones…
Yeah “soft on crime” was cringe af.
Illinois is 29th in violent crime and 21st in property crime by state. Crime rates are going down, both in Illinois and nationally. Source. White, rural people are terrified of what their tv tells them about minorities and cities, facts and statistics be damned. One or two anecdotes will always overshadow reality for these kinds of people.
Dude, holy shit, smh. If crime is down nationally then its nothing to do with pritzker lol. Not everyone outside the city is “rural” nor afraid of minorities, you’re assuming an awful lot based on what your TV tells you. Jokes on you, I don’t watch any TV, news, media, etc. You get you’re info probably from some FB group eco chamber about how “everyone else not Democratic” is ruining the country. News flash, both are equally corrupt by the ultra wealthy. If dems were actually trying, the fed minimum wage would’ve gone up in one of 12 out of the last 18 years, or anything else bitched about. So, stereotype and generalize all you like, it won’t get you anywhere.
I don’t watch any TV, news, media, etc
Where do you get your info then?
You get you’re info probably from some FB group eco chamber about how “everyone else not Democratic” is ruining the country.
I deleted my fb years ago.
I agree that dems aren’t doing enough. There are a few decent ones, but nothing will change until people get up off their asses and vote for progressives in the primaries to make the count of decent ones more than just a few. Both parties suck, but good change will never come from Republicans and it will take a lot of pressure to get it from Democrats.
I will read news from external US sites that aren’t biased or owned by US media or billionaires shoveling propaganda.
Same, I’ve been off all social media since 2016.
The 2 party system is broken. Anyone who wants real change should disassociate with either major party to help start that change. Stay to show it’s acceptable to break away. Being too progressive doesn’t suite everybody everywhere, either. I am a unaffiliated but have found that something like the Forward Party where they push common sense policy and have a beliefs & values oath they take, shows they’re actually looking out for their constituents. Using data to help reinforce the direction they move rather than arguing black and white when are so full of grey. I think a blend of various values suites everyone best. States can then take that further as it suites them, and so on down to local cities, townships, or villages. But were need a strong core value system at the federal level for accountability. That’s what’s fucked, currently.
ah yes, the people with MAGA and “pritzker sucks” signs littering their lawns along with staples like
- silhouette cowboy smoking
- Christmas lights in July
- a well house to nowhere
- abandoned early 2000s car with grass two feet tall around it
- an abandoned patch of yard that possibly has a another car inside it but you can’t see because the grass is too tall
- above ground swimming pool with broken deck
- half-burned junk pile
- perfectly manicured lawn around dilapidated trailer
- and many more!
First off, NOT Republican, nor do I watch fox news. Second, Illinois has some of the highest taxes especially property (https://www.illinoispolicy.org/no-2-no-more-illinois-property-taxes-rank-highest-in-u-s/) and the entire state is not subsidized by the city.
How is cashless bail soft on crime?
If someone wanted to, they could flee the state and go commit more crimes elsewhere. It happens with repeat offenders too. I get it’s to get to be more fair, but I think the execution was wrong.
That can happen with cash bail too. You know that cashless bail doesn’t mean everyone just gets bail right? It means that bail is determined by a judge depending on your flight risk and danger to the community instead of a dollar amount.
So it’s ok for that to happen with people who have the money to get out but not poor people?
I don’t think you understand how bail works. It’s not always granted and cash bail doesn’t solve the issue you raised.
It’s not poor people who commit crimes. Crimes happen at all levels. BUT, how about don’t commit any crimes in the first place?! Ever thought about that?! I get mistakes happen and issues arise for innocent people. Been there, done that. But at the same time, bigger crimes have bigger bail, and it’s harder to “accidentally” commit bigger crimes.
People who are convicted of crimes don’t get bail. I think you need to learn a lot more about this justice system before digging in on these opinions.
Innocent people have their lives destroyed awaiting trial all the time.
You are presuming guilt just because of an arrest, that’s anti-american.
I’m not presuming anything. Hence why I said I get mistakes happen and arise for innocent people. Been there, done that. I’ve had it happen due to clerical errors in something small that turned not so small. My life didn’t necessarily get flipped upside down, but it took several months to clear up for sure.
His ban on “assault” weapons was useless since they all come from out of state anyway
I agree with much of what you post here, but not this.
Even if he’s accomplishing making it inconvenient for criminals, gun nuts, and wannabe mass shooters, that’s a good thing. Legislation on guns in this country is never going to be perfectly effective because of the Federal Government, but making things harder on the local level is 100% a good thing.
How so? Anyone who’s grown up with them respects and follows the law, respects firearms (has a healthy fear and understanding), and the law in Illinois are already some of the toughest.
Indiana has open carry (constitutional carry), so does MO, and I believe WI. BTW, NONE of the firearms banned in that list were assault rifles, aka fully automatic. That’s illegal to own without other special licensing that the ATF doesn’t just hand out to anybody. So to ban then just technically “infringes” on anyone’s else’s ability to own or purchase who rightfully follows the laws anyway. I quoted infringe bc of the constitution.
Not just the gun ban portion either, it’s the threaded barrels, the magazine capacity, chambering mechanism, the ammo types (calibers), etc. Basically, the law was written by clueless people that banned based on limited and scary sounding information thinking it does anything to stop actual criminal activity.
IF you’re a criminal, would and you’re already dying illegal stuff anyway, does this new ban effect you, realistically? Not likely, you’re already engaging in illegal purchases or other activity, so how does that effectively help? It might stop a few select people who have a slight conscious left, but probably not well enough to make a difference.
Gun ownership became a thing legally as the founding members fought off corruption- who cares how ethical (bc I’m sure someone will comment about their slave-owning rapist, etc) not the topic. They understood ownership was important to give the people a fighting chance at standing their own ground against corruption.
Personally, I can somewhat agree with something from Reddit a couple years back. The US created the military to protect the country, but it could also be used to protect itself from the citizens who may eventually rise up and challenge the Govts power, too. We also have the highest, or at least most talked about, patriotism. And I think when people have the sense of loyalty, they’ll put up with a lot more abuse and crappy conditions. This also keeps people obedient. It’s also why I think gen Z is outspoken about hating AI, or the job market, or corporations taking advantage, etc. They don’t have that sense of patriotism like older groups, so they’re more willing to stand up for themselves. It’s going to get a lot worse before the rest of the general population finally do something.
His estimated net worth is $4,000,000,000. The second wealthiest politician behind Trump. Should tell you everything you need to know right there
The legislation he passed tells me what I need to know.
The fact that every online statement he makes is met with cries from people in little shithole red towns that don’t contribute, at all, whatsoever to the state GDP, makes me think he’s doing something right.
Should have never happened to begin with. Charge the data center more for being there and give tax breaks to the local citizens. Screw this guy
Didn’t read the article and don’t know how state government works?
Pritzker called on state lawmakers this year to suspend incentives for two years while they hammer out a comprehensive review of the impact centers are having on communities.
Pritzker is making the move after lawmakers did not act. The governor cannot unilaterally halt the program, but the executive branch does wield some control over processing applications, according to his office.
Doesn’t make my sentiment wrong does it
It does actually, yeah.
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