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      4chan was simply where everyone banned for extreme views everywhere else went because there were no rules or close to none.

      Now as algorithms of social media sites have been chosen to dictate our daily news cycle, discussion topics and visibility of culture by engagement metrics alone, as are dominated by flashy, extremist content that appeals to our lowest instincts. Before humans curated content by trying to use human reasoning instead of relying on instinct alone. I think we have taken a step backwards in evolution culturally.

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          I don’t think it’s the internet. I remember 90s internet because I’m old apparently. Forums, mailing lists, blogs were the dominant form of internet media. And while trolls and bad people existed it wasn’t nearly as bad. People found together in interest groups and things mostly went fine. It was really when algorithm based browsing of content became the norm that things changed.

          In my opinion the reason is that it is engagement driven instead of topic or content or interest group driven. And the strongest and most reliable form of engagement is anger and rage and overexaggeration. So we see a lot of that and people who are good at that become the loudest and most popular. It also incites anger towards others and thus splits societies. Fashists and populist thrive. We need to regulate social media ASAP.

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    People with extreme views are also more vocal, so that’s what you see. That’s why social media is bad for you. If gives you a very distorted view of the world. Most people are able to look at politics with nuance.

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      This, plus everyone is concerned with engagement. If I say a perfectly normal statement on Facebook or X or whatever, no one will care so no one will comment or interact with it. If I say that Jesus wants us to make America white again, even the people who disagree with me will only be boosting my message by commenting.

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        Lmao this is just as ridiculous as them saying Reddit is communist. Massive exaggeration in both cases

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        Can agree. On Lemmy now and I can feel the ghost of Marx over my shoulder whispering about the proletariat.

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          They follow me around and Downvote me, like literal ghosts…

          Lemmy is tankie heaven

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              Alternatively, it can also mean there are a lot of assholes around. Especially of the tankie type. I just got downvoted from 20+ to 3. Will probably end up like -60 just for saying tankies suck.

              COMUNISM IS A GREAT IDEA. what a shame their leaders are ALWAYS THUGS who spend YOUR MONEY IN MIAMI

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    Discourse evaporated when the rightwing and Faux “News” declared “compromise” as blasphemy. That’s why so many moderate Republicans will still vote along party lines, despite knowing the candidate is batshit crazy. To vote Democrat is to commit suicide to those people.

    Edit: was trying to get this comment done before kid woke up from nap and barely made it. Fixed the faux pa.

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      I’ve only ever heard left wingers claim that compromise is ‘blasphemy’ or that “center politics” is just for people who are too afraid to admit they are right wing.

      Fuck, there’s even memes abotu being centrist is being OK with half the holocaust or the KKK.

      Your comment is exactly the insane shrill partisan hackery that is the problem.

      BAM - just immediately guns blazing accusing the other side of what your side is guilty of.

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        It was right wingers and centrists who allowed the holocaust to happen… source: rise and fall of the third reich

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          True. But it was left wingers who killed millions of Russians in gulags, who committed the Cambodian genocides, the long marches and purges of Maoist communism.

          So maybe there’s something to be said for moderation eh?

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          It doesn’t even matter. Hard right and hard left are all just fucking nut job low IQ idiots with different flavours of asshole populism.

          Horseshoe theory is as clear as day to anyone not on the extremes.

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            One side wants to kill black people and ban non binary and trans folk from the public square

            One wants people to see doctors and not starve.

            BuT bOtH sIdEs

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                One side is cartoonishly evil, openly calling for eradication of their enemies and those they dislike with language drawn directly from Hitler. One side is the relic of a busted status quo. ObViOuSlY tHeYrE tHe SaMe.

                Nobody cares, dude. The quiet part is out loud, you don’t have to vote or like dems, but running this purposefully disengenuous BoTh SiDeS defense for the right just shows you’re batting for the fascists.

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            It looks like you have expressed an opinion. Unfortunately, it makes you inherently skewed, therefore you’re objectively wrong because something something both sides. Now, only I remain perfectly correct at the exact center of everything, and you go down the slide of shame.

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      Yes, I agree! It’s the OTHER guys who are to blame this!

      Like, share and retweet BTW if you want them prosecuted for their crimes.

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        …prosecuted for their crimes.

        It’d be nice but unfortunately there’s too many batshit republicans in office to pass any laws for that to happen.

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          Like I said, it’s the OTHER guys who are at fault for this.

          Therefore, we need more prosecutions and also guillotines. There can be no peace on earth until the other guys are all dead.

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            Can’t wait for you to start using them. Or are you going to keep posting sarcasm to hide the fact that right wingers are terrible people?

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              Yes, the OTHER guys are terrible people. If WE did something terrible, it’s only because THEY forced our hands by being terrible people first. But they started it!

              Seriously dude, there are 5-year-olds out there who are more mature than you.

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            There are more batshit insane Republicans then there are batshit insane Democrats.

            Now happy?

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        THIS… Literally, god forbid we try to have reasonable debate and actually listen to the other side. All this “my way or the hogh-way” BS is fucking annoying…

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      Stating a fact isn’t the same thing as demonizing.

      The Confederate flag represents a group of proud racists.

      The cornerstone address literally contains “Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.”

      Read it for yourself:
      https://www.owleyes.org/text/the-cornerstone-speech/read/text-of-stephenss-speech

      You should know better.

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    Social media politics is confirmation bias by design.

    A few of my opinions that are less popular here:

    • Unions are not a perfect solution.
    • landlords are not inherantly bad and it’s not a “sit back and cash in” type of job.
    • Bridled Capitalism is a better system than the comunism we’ve tried so far.

    I have no desire to debate any of those here. I talk politics with friends and in person and I try to remain skeptical especially of facts that happen to go my way.

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      I haven’t raised rent for my tenants for 3 years and dropped it during the pandemic. I repair everything in the house as fast as humanly possible. I added AC to the house and replaced my furnace with a heat pump to reduce the carbon footprint in efforts to increase my tenants comforts.

      I will eventually move back into the house when I move back to the states. So I want to make sure anyone who stays there is happy and keeps an eye on my house.

      People here call me a pig or scum. Good thing other peoples opinions don’t matter to me. I just want to point out that some of us are not here to make a buck.

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        The criticism isn’t really supposed to be about how nice or not nice you are anyway. The landlaird bad meme is just a good way to open people’s eyes if need be and allow people to vent which they have the right to. The fundamental problem is with the ownership of an asset that is a necessity. And probably the fact that it even is so commodified.

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          Crazy how that information never comes through in these initial messages. It’s almost like it’s a bad message, and serves only to further polarize each side.

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    The media has tried very hard to normalize extremism.

    Funny key then

    Ducking autocorrect I meant: Don’t let them.

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      Right wing extremism*

      You don’t see actual leftism being discussed at all, specially on US media. At the very best best they are discussing those democrat ideas that sound great on paper but are never ever implemented because compromise.

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      Centrism is a sign of a healthy, functioning Democracy. People are allowed to hold nuanced beliefs that don’t line up with yours and this “enlightened centrist” bullshit is just pure tribalism from people on the far fringes. You are contributing to creating an “in group” and an “out group” which historically has worked out very well for persons living in Communist and Fascist societies.

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      People even use centralism as a weapon as well though. They push the idea that the correct position in any debate is slap bang in the middle. Sometimes there is a demonstrably correct answer, and sitting in the middle is a bad thing.

      But they’ll argue to the death that sitting on the fence is the best thing to do in every situation. I’ve had people claim that the Ukrainians should just negotiate with Russia (assuming that would be even be possible) because that would be the middle option between fighting them and surrendering.

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        I like to break out this when people claim centrist/moderate is neutral. Nazi’s: kill all Jews and Aryans. Non-Nazi’s: don’t kill Jews or non-Aryans. Moderates: let’s compromise and just kill Jews instead guys.

        If 9 people sit at a table with 1 nazi and none leave or make the nazi leave, you have 10 Nazi’s sitting at a table.

        If you try to compromise between two moral/legal viewpoints, you’re still supporting the worst side