Just saying, if you had spent as much on a laptop as you did on a MacBook, you would get a full work days of battery.
It’s the same failure point apple fans have about Android. Yeah there are cheap androids. They suck, but also they cost$100-$200 new. What’s apples offering in that price range?
Realistically with the new apple M-series stuff this is just not the case. The battery life is absolutely nuts. Especially compared to high end Linux laptops.
The new Snapdragon laptops are getting 15h+ of battery life, which is a couple of hours less than the new Macs (macs have bigger batteries) in the same benchmarks. The next gen Ryzen AI 300 Omnibook is said to have 20h+… but why do people want so much out of their battery? I’ve only used laptops for work and I can’t remember being more than a couple of hours at a time outside a dock.
What terminals don’t have power outlets easily available? I think even many planes do, although I haven’t paid attention to that because I’ve never needed it.
I’ve been in plenty of terminals w/o power outlets, or where the outlets are all taken. People seem to flock to them like crazy, and not having to deal with that is nice.
Do any of the Snapdragon laptops not suck? I haven’t used any of them, but I’m looking for:
high quality keyboard - I love my ThinkPad E495’s keyboard (which is a bit worse than my old T440), but everything seems to use really short travel keys these days (and my 2019 Macbook Pro for work absolutely sucks in the keyboard dept)
physical mouse buttons - I love my ThinkPad’s TrackPoint + middle mouse combo, it’s great for scrolling through documents
comfortable keyboard layout - I like the position of page up/down, home, end, etc on my ThinkPad, but most laptops suck with key placement
I’m excited to get a new Macbook Pro next year (our company has a 4-year replacement cycle), mostly for better CPU performance (my coworker’s M1 runs our tests in 1/4 the time vs my Intel Macbook Pro) and battery life (mine frequently dies in meetings), but there’s no way I’m buying one for myself. So I’m looking for an alternative.
I’d really like a Framework, but it doesn’t have physical mouse buttons (very strong preference) or a TrackPoint (I can budge here), and the keyboard layout looks kind of crappy. The best so far seems to be the ThinkPad T14s Gen 6, but I’m really trying to get away from ThinkPad due to their horrendous Motorola bootloader unlock policy (i.e. you agree to never resell your device, and your warranty is void), and if that’s the direction their company is going, I would prefer to avoid them, and it’s kind of expensive (starts at $1275). The rest that I’ve seen seem to have crappy keyboards and no mouse buttons.
I wouldn’t pay the premium to be a beta tester for Qualcomm for the new Snapdragons. They’ll be cheaper, have better drivers and more laptops to choose from in a couple of years.
Yeah, that’s what I’m hoping for. I can probably wait a year or two before needing a replacement, and it would be extra cool if Framework releases one with ARM.
I have done a full 8 hours of work on my Dell Latitude 5440 before on battery. I put it in bat saver and it lasted me the whole work day.
But I re cognize something: why would I need to do that?
I sat a desk or my couch all day both of which had a convenient outlet. There was no point in doing that all on bat. Yeah it’s impressive to have a crazy long battery life and is why I wanta MacBook for coffee shop coding days, but again, there’s almost guaranteed to be convenient outlets and I own a 145Watt battery bank if needed. Thus my $150 ThinkPad E495 has been reaching 16+ hours of use without needing a wall wart.
Maybe your use case is different but mine where I’m certainly going to be stationary enough to use a plug or a battery bank means I can’t justify the apple tax. Plenty of people have done this calculation hence why Apple still doesn’t have an appreciable enterprise market share let alone a competitive one.
Uh, work? Sometimes I’m in meetings all day in different rooms at my company, and I really don’t like bringing my charger around. So that’s 8 hours, and I’ll be running a lot of stuff in the background, which absolutely drains my battery life.
I also like using my laptop at airports when traveling, and finding a charger can be a royal pain. I’ve had multiple occasions when my laptop battery died and I just couldn’t use it, and I get something like 3 hours battery life (which is pretty decent for a laptop).
I also WFH 3x/week, so it’s not uncommon for me to work from the couch or walk around the house when on boring calls all day.
I’m plugged in most of the time most days, but exceptions do happen, and it’s nice to not have to worry about battery life. I hope this anecdote helps.
I mean, I can and do carry my charger, I just prefer not to. I have needed to leave a meeting to go fetch a charger, as have my coworkers, which is disruptive. Having >8 hours battery life would mean I would never need to think about the battery any more, I could just use the laptop all day and plug it in at night, just like my phone.
Ah yes, unethical company, as opposed to an Ethical company like who? Asus who was just caught overcharging their customers on RMAs?
HP? The most evil printer manufacturer on the planet?
Keep in mind my first choice, Framework did not sell in my country at the time, still might not.
Not having to have battery anxiety is not a sales pitch, it’s just good stuff, if you’d have a software developer job, you could maybe understand
And you also just betrayed this whole anti-apple shebang thats going on here, it’s about the money innit? If you can’t afford it, you need to come up with nonsensical reasons why apple bad, don’t worry, I used to do that too.
Lmao yessir Ima so poora can’t afford a machine that forces obsolescence every few years, made in a sweatshop, not allowed to repair, made a deal with ARM to kill off competition, walled garden designed, lobbies the governments, takes a picture of you every few seconds, preferred by the CCP machine.
Oh gosh if only I could afford a new machine every 3 years from Apple but it costs approximately $70 per month oh no so expensive ohmagod how can we mere peasants?
Listen dude you’re paying more to save a negligible amount on power, have a battery that lasts slightly longer than the competitors and much longer than anybody will ever need it to, and suffer much worse customer service. And you think its a status symbol or sign of wealth? You got scammed.
Every 3 years? regular laptops maybe last that long, but I am pretty sure macs last a fair bit longer, I was still working on a 2015 model in 2020 without any issue, only reason I stopped is I had to give it back.
I will be using this one for at least 5 years if not longer.
have a battery that lasts slightly longer
slightly doing a bit of heavy fucking lifting there, lmao. try 2x,3x,easily 5x in some cases.
And you think its a status symbol or sign of wealth?
I don’t, not sure where you got that from, I just think most people hating on it do so because they can’t afford it, which seems to be case a lot.
Frequent freezes and crashes on battery power, mainly returning from sleep. It improved after I uninstalled all dell apps and made various tweaks, but I still get them sometimes. This is a common issue, and well it really sucks. There have been a lot of bios and other driver updates coming out, I hope it eventually gets sorted. I don’t have the time to wipe my OS and do constant maintenance. I have a feeling a lot of this is Windows 11 related with all these sleep changes.
Sometimes battery drains quickly to zero (e.g. from 60% to 0 overnight with lid closed). Again, related to the new windows sleep behavior. I’ve disabled a lot of windows background sleep services which did improve it, but it has happened since still. Again, pretty terrible if you have to worry if your laptop will have battery if you close it with 60%. Forces you to keep adapter handy.
Battery life is not good. I got the regular non-oled, non-4k screen and very glad I did. The screen looks very good, and battery life is unacceptable with the higher res screens for a laptop. Dell really needs a QHD option.
There is also the drastic difference in performance on battery vs off, but that’s par for the course for windows machines.
tell me more about that 19 hours battery life, lmao.
Yeah, it’s not a brand man. That’s part of what makes it great. A brand is something created to profit off of, which always ends up worse for the end user. Linux is not there to make profit. It’s whole purpose of existing is to serve the user.
Well that’s funny, because the multiple definitions for “brand” say otherwise. Lemmy is basically people just parroting: Linux good, everything else bad. You literally cannot disagree with anything on this website or the hive mind will shit on you.
From the wiki (emphasis mine): A brand is a name, term, design, symbol or any other feature that distinguishes one seller’s good or service from those of other sellers.
What are they selling? It’s free. It’s not being sold.
Cheerleading for brands is cringe
Stating facts is cheerleading?
Just saying, if you had spent as much on a laptop as you did on a MacBook, you would get a full work days of battery.
It’s the same failure point apple fans have about Android. Yeah there are cheap androids. They suck, but also they cost$100-$200 new. What’s apples offering in that price range?
Realistically with the new apple M-series stuff this is just not the case. The battery life is absolutely nuts. Especially compared to high end Linux laptops.
Source: forced to use apple for work
The new Snapdragon laptops are getting 15h+ of battery life, which is a couple of hours less than the new Macs (macs have bigger batteries) in the same benchmarks. The next gen Ryzen AI 300 Omnibook is said to have 20h+… but why do people want so much out of their battery? I’ve only used laptops for work and I can’t remember being more than a couple of hours at a time outside a dock.
Ultra long haul flight, plus time spent at the terminal?
What terminals don’t have power outlets easily available? I think even many planes do, although I haven’t paid attention to that because I’ve never needed it.
You’re probably right, that’s just the only use case for twenty hours of battery life I could think of.
I’ve been in plenty of terminals w/o power outlets, or where the outlets are all taken. People seem to flock to them like crazy, and not having to deal with that is nice.
Do any of the Snapdragon laptops not suck? I haven’t used any of them, but I’m looking for:
I’m excited to get a new Macbook Pro next year (our company has a 4-year replacement cycle), mostly for better CPU performance (my coworker’s M1 runs our tests in 1/4 the time vs my Intel Macbook Pro) and battery life (mine frequently dies in meetings), but there’s no way I’m buying one for myself. So I’m looking for an alternative.
I’d really like a Framework, but it doesn’t have physical mouse buttons (very strong preference) or a TrackPoint (I can budge here), and the keyboard layout looks kind of crappy. The best so far seems to be the ThinkPad T14s Gen 6, but I’m really trying to get away from ThinkPad due to their horrendous Motorola bootloader unlock policy (i.e. you agree to never resell your device, and your warranty is void), and if that’s the direction their company is going, I would prefer to avoid them, and it’s kind of expensive (starts at $1275). The rest that I’ve seen seem to have crappy keyboards and no mouse buttons.
I wouldn’t pay the premium to be a beta tester for Qualcomm for the new Snapdragons. They’ll be cheaper, have better drivers and more laptops to choose from in a couple of years.
Yeah, that’s what I’m hoping for. I can probably wait a year or two before needing a replacement, and it would be extra cool if Framework releases one with ARM.
It’s insane. I really want one for that reason, but ThinkPad with a ugreen 145 Watt battery bank gives me 16 hours of use. That’s all waking hours.
It’s hard to justify spending 3x as much on a single laptop just for that kind of battery life.
It’s pretty easy to justify when work is footing the bill.
I’m actually pretty happy with my ~$200 Motorola G32.
Lol, nope, you are deluding yourself.
Look at its main competitor the dell xps,
https://www.reddit.com/r/DellXPS/comments/12kk5to/xps_15_9520_6_month_review_issues/
I have done a full 8 hours of work on my Dell Latitude 5440 before on battery. I put it in bat saver and it lasted me the whole work day.
But I re cognize something: why would I need to do that?
I sat a desk or my couch all day both of which had a convenient outlet. There was no point in doing that all on bat. Yeah it’s impressive to have a crazy long battery life and is why I wanta MacBook for coffee shop coding days, but again, there’s almost guaranteed to be convenient outlets and I own a 145Watt battery bank if needed. Thus my $150 ThinkPad E495 has been reaching 16+ hours of use without needing a wall wart.
Maybe your use case is different but mine where I’m certainly going to be stationary enough to use a plug or a battery bank means I can’t justify the apple tax. Plenty of people have done this calculation hence why Apple still doesn’t have an appreciable enterprise market share let alone a competitive one.
Facts about why you should pay more to an unethical company for a use case that doesn’t exist smells like a sales pitch to me.
Where are you going to work on your computer for 16 hours straight without access to a wall outlet?
Uh, work? Sometimes I’m in meetings all day in different rooms at my company, and I really don’t like bringing my charger around. So that’s 8 hours, and I’ll be running a lot of stuff in the background, which absolutely drains my battery life.
I also like using my laptop at airports when traveling, and finding a charger can be a royal pain. I’ve had multiple occasions when my laptop battery died and I just couldn’t use it, and I get something like 3 hours battery life (which is pretty decent for a laptop).
I also WFH 3x/week, so it’s not uncommon for me to work from the couch or walk around the house when on boring calls all day.
I’m plugged in most of the time most days, but exceptions do happen, and it’s nice to not have to worry about battery life. I hope this anecdote helps.
Oh! Oh ho no, boohoo! Mr. Double-Shift-Back-to-Back isn’t able to carry a charger to use at the 176 outlets in his building.
Sounds like you don’t need a good PC, you need a union.
I mean, I can and do carry my charger, I just prefer not to. I have needed to leave a meeting to go fetch a charger, as have my coworkers, which is disruptive. Having >8 hours battery life would mean I would never need to think about the battery any more, I could just use the laptop all day and plug it in at night, just like my phone.
Ah yes, unethical company, as opposed to an Ethical company like who? Asus who was just caught overcharging their customers on RMAs?
HP? The most evil printer manufacturer on the planet?
Keep in mind my first choice, Framework did not sell in my country at the time, still might not.
Not having to have battery anxiety is not a sales pitch, it’s just good stuff, if you’d have a software developer job, you could maybe understand
And you also just betrayed this whole anti-apple shebang thats going on here, it’s about the money innit? If you can’t afford it, you need to come up with nonsensical reasons why apple bad, don’t worry, I used to do that too.
Lmao yessir Ima so poora can’t afford a machine that forces obsolescence every few years, made in a sweatshop, not allowed to repair, made a deal with ARM to kill off competition, walled garden designed, lobbies the governments, takes a picture of you every few seconds, preferred by the CCP machine.
Oh gosh if only I could afford a new machine every 3 years from Apple but it costs approximately $70 per month oh no so expensive ohmagod how can we mere peasants?
Listen dude you’re paying more to save a negligible amount on power, have a battery that lasts slightly longer than the competitors and much longer than anybody will ever need it to, and suffer much worse customer service. And you think its a status symbol or sign of wealth? You got scammed.
Every 3 years? regular laptops maybe last that long, but I am pretty sure macs last a fair bit longer, I was still working on a 2015 model in 2020 without any issue, only reason I stopped is I had to give it back.
I will be using this one for at least 5 years if not longer.
slightly doing a bit of heavy fucking lifting there, lmao. try 2x,3x,easily 5x in some cases.
I don’t, not sure where you got that from, I just think most people hating on it do so because they can’t afford it, which seems to be case a lot.
Whatever you need to tell yourself, lol.
TIL that 18 hours is 2x, 3x, or even 5x the 19 hours you get from a 2024 Dell.
if you think Macbook is a scam, not sure how you can say dell is good lmao: https://www.reddit.com/r/DellXPS/comments/12kk5to/xps_15_9520_6_month_review_issues/
tell me more about that 19 hours battery life, lmao.
I didn’t say Dell was good, I said your claim was bullshit.
You shouldnt be using sleep overnight to begin with, you should use Hibernate. Sleep leaves the computer on unattended. Skill issue on that one.
Yet all of Lemmy cheerleads for Linux. Disgusting.
Idk if this is a joke but Linux is not a brand.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mark_Institute
Technically, yes it is. It’s a registered trademark at the very least.
Yeah, it’s not a brand man. That’s part of what makes it great. A brand is something created to profit off of, which always ends up worse for the end user. Linux is not there to make profit. It’s whole purpose of existing is to serve the user.
Espousing this cooler-than-thou nonsense about a non-brand is at least as cringe as jocking a brand
Well that’s funny, because the multiple definitions for “brand” say otherwise. Lemmy is basically people just parroting: Linux good, everything else bad. You literally cannot disagree with anything on this website or the hive mind will shit on you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mark_Institute
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brand
It fits the definition of a brand.
From the wiki (emphasis mine): A brand is a name, term, design, symbol or any other feature that distinguishes one seller’s good or service from those of other sellers.
What are they selling? It’s free. It’s not being sold.
They accept donations, do they not?