That’s not weird. That’s how functional societies reconcile when they aren’t subjected to endless propaganda and fear mongering.
I mean, it is weird in the sense that it is unusual. But that doesn’t make it bad, in fact it should become more normal.
I’d go so far as to say it’s bad that it is unusual
Yeah, I wouldn’t say history shows humans usually treat outsiders really nicely but I agree this should be an example we strive for.
i came to say this. being friends is healthy and normal.
I’m just so fuckin burnt out on xenophobia and i feel like that shit got pushed on me a lot growing up.
That’s just what I’d expect from your kind
/s
Making friends? In this economy!?/s
With these social bubbles?!
No what’s ‘weird’ is so many not understanding that ‘weird’ isn’t automatically negative. or maybe more disturbing that so many automatically go there at first instinct.
“Surprising” or “unexpected” are probably a better words due to connotations and all.
They got the good ending
I still don’t think the natives got the good deal here
Who’s to say?
I was going to joke about an Amish casino, but then I remembered the move Kingpin
Hey everybody, there’s a shit cloud coming! Run for your lives!
I love that movie
True. Ideally the Amish would have a “immigrated”, assimilated, and become another tribe in the area hundreds of years ago. However, this is still a better outcome than the tribes still litigating treaties signed hundreds of years ago, like in Oklahoma.
Migration leading to mixed cultures instead of genocide and colonization. Americans: “This is so weird!”
“In this here melting pot, we burn away all our differences until we’re left with only the pure white flame of Christian nationalism.”
I had to put the statement in quotes because while being hyperbole, it’s not too far from how some people think, and I don’t want to be confused with those folks.
Are you implying Americans started colonization, or…?
It’s the result of colonization.
They’re implying that the US was founded on migration which led to genocide and colonization.
That actually sounds awesome
The true American dream
I want to see a picture. In mind, it looks pretty dope.
Need photos this sounds adorable
This post has been up an hour and we have no fucking information this is unacceptable.
I don’t think jewelry wearing is compatible with the Amish conception of propriety and modesty but I’m not going to say it wouldn’t happen.
My grandpa rents some of his fields out to an amish guy who also rents a lot of other fields in the area. The amish in our area are known to be pretty loose with their rules so my grandpa wasn’t surprised when the guy showed up with combine harvester but he was kind of surprised with how new it was. My grandpa asked him how he could drive a combine when they weren’t allowed to drive cars. To which the amish guy responded, “Well, I don’t actually drive the combine; it drives itself. I just sit in it.”
Sounds like the Amish would be ok with a robotic vacuum as long as it charged itself from a solar panel.
Quite possibly. A lot of their electricity aversion stems from avoidance of relying on an electric grid owned and maintained by outsiders.
(Which to be fair is also pretty based)
Jewish people on Sabbat vibes.
Nice ha ha
Most based Amish dude I’ve ever heard about.
Good for them. Culture should evolve.
The “rules” the Amish live by are determined by the Elders of that group. They can be quite strict or fairly loose. And can vary by a fair bit from colony to colony even as neighbors. Cell phones can be fine for one group and be forbidden for the next.
Like some much in life, the rules are open to interpretation.
I saw some Amish or similar community teens freaking out in a Sheetz over the touch screens. They were having so much fun.
I remember freaking out over the first touch screen I ever encountered (at mom’s bank ATM when I was a kid). It really is magical until it’s mundane lol
On top of that, many people will see a Mennonite and think “Amish.”
I’m one of those, but I will educate myself. Thanks for the information.
Right I get that, but the underlying value that the prohibitions are designed around is promoting humility and preventing vanity.
But they’re people. People can revisit and reconsider the values they live by. They can change things despite the tradition they were born into or even the tradition they helped establish. That allows the society to progress and survive changing conditions. Let’s support it.
If the jewelery was given as a gift in good will, it would be worse to reject it or to accept it and never use it.
That sounds like pride and pride sounds like sin!
Maybe it depends on the branch of Amish. I’ve heard the ones in the Midwest are a little more relaxed than the ones in Pennsylvania.
Everyone’s just making shit up based on their feelings anyway, let them do as they
wiltwill.wollen
The Amish around where I live (Midwest) run a bunch of great little stores (which is most of the contact I have with them personally, but my partners mom has friends in their community who come to visit now and then.) The stores all take credit cards and have refrigerators for the cheeses/dairy, and many of them do use machinery for farm work. Some even use cell phones.
I haven’t noticed any jewelry (haven’t paid attention), but they really do seem to pick and choose which portions to adhere strongly to.
It mainly depends on if it makes them money or not.
That does, honestly, seem to be the threshold for the communities around me.
Can they use it in a way they can argue complied with their religion? If yes, and money, do thing. If yes, no money, do thing. If no, but money, try harder to argue, then do thing.
If no and no money, leave the community.
Yeah the more I’ve found out and paid attention over the past few decades. I think the Amish how they were originally envisioned, died out many many years ago.
The current ilk, use that perception to make money and at best give lip service to the original ideals.
I figure in 50 years Amish will be indistinguishable from any other modern religion.
I mean even now they are just another niche religious community… I get what they were going for, but…
Their communities have a lot of problems. Like a lot. And because they mostly have that year of going into the world (intended as a culture shock, but really is just an introduction to modern convenience technology, which is mmmmm so enticing) their numbers are dwindling. And that sucks for the culture loss, but I doubt they will even exist in 50 years, honestly.
Or say they do exist in 50 years… they will be the people buying all the cheap shit that doesn’t meet emission regulations because they “have to weigh each new innovation”.
For as long as I’ve lived in close proximity to Amish communities (most of my life, again Midwest), they have always made weird questionable allowances that I don’t really understand because I’m not part of the community. Most of them get around their religious limitation by just hiring someone, that’s why they need money. I know this because my family was hired on multiple occasions (because we often did poultry trades and other livestock deals with them) to operate machinery (chainsaws, modern farm equipment, etc) on their behalf.
And doesn’t that just seem like modernizing with more steps?
Also inbreeding is a huge issue, I know back in the nineties there was a big deal about the large communities (Midwest, PA, NC?) intermarrying to try and help the issues
Really depends on the community, some have cars.
That’s not weird, that’s how things should be. Working together.
agreed. technically, both are native.
Well no, the Amish were settlers too. They’re just working with the Indians instead of in spite of the Indians.
they were all born there. we need to stop considering ancestors and consider the living.
We can stop when we actually give them the same opportunities and protections white people get. You don’t get to oppress a population for 500 years and then just act like nothing happened.
did the current, living Amish oppress them? did I? did you? who is the “you” in your sentence?
Apparently it’s you, literally.
Removed by mod
Is part of the agreement to trade fashion accessories?
isn’t that a part of every agreement
Yes but only among girls.
As a father who raised 4 daughters, you try and stop a young woman from wearing jewelry, perfumes, and even makeup. That’s a fight you WILL lose every time.
You should see the dating scene. A young Amish boy holding hands with a young Native walking down a hallway, (or vice versa). It ain’t right I tell you.
This is local politics in action. In a federation this is protected. In a federation this could also be forced on all federated states or banned. In a federal system it is also allowed that damaging actions are outlawed or embraced and cherished by the state. It is all imperfect but the entire idea is the hope that all the various levels of legal authority check and balance themselves for the benefit of the people and are accountable to wrote law.
I am just writing this for people to maybe remember that this is how a federation (see: The United States of America) is fundamentally supposed to function.
Weird, but hey they ain’t hurting nobody, so meh
Are there actually Amish people in India?
I can’t tell if this is real or not.
Many people refer to the people who were living in North America before Europeans as “Indians” and there’s even a good portion of those people that use it to self identify as well, even if “Native American” is more widely used, if not also somewhat an inaccurate if you’re getting technical.
Absolutely fair enough, I’m just a somewhat ignorant Welsh man!
They have only ever been described here as American/Native American.
Though now that you mention this, Cowboys & Indians suddenly makes a lot more sense to me.
Christopher Columbus, who discovered Americas, thought he was heading to India.
American Indians, the term hasn’t died out in the New World quite yet.
In Russian language the difference between American and actual Indians is one letter in spelling (easily heard in pronunciation, so only small children maybe mix them up), historically it’s a variation of the same word.
For “turkey” the bird the feminine version of the former is used (and not used to refer to an American Indian woman).
The point is, it’s the main word to refer to Native Americans. “Настоящему индейцу завсегда везде ништяк” and all that.
Old worlder here. Still calling them Indians. Also actively refusing to use the term towards people of India, bexause we have other words for them (actually two, one similiar to Indian, secons not at all, neither a slur).
Honestly I won’t bother correcting ‘indian’ but I prefer other terms
