• swiffswaffplop@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20611·
    10 months ago
    1. Greta did get a nomination, just not for director.
    2. Margot didn’t, but America did.
    3. Ryan Gosling was the best part of Barbie, partly because of the writing which, again, WAS nominated.
    4. This is not “the patriarchy;” it was a really strong year for those two categories.
  • AccmRazr@lemm.eeEnglish
    16712·
    10 months ago

    Greta is the snub, Margot did a good job but nothing stellar. Ryan Gosling stole every scene he was in.

    Edit: and the meme actually ignores that the plot is actually gender neutral. It applies to everyone, not just Barbie.

  • asteriskeverything@lemmy.worldEnglish
    855·
    10 months ago

    Men getting credit for women’s accomplishments is the plot of barbie? I thought it was about how expectations and rules for gender identity and roles hurts everyone. That then expands on how women specifically feel a unique pressure to be an impossible ideal of everything all at once.

  • doidera@lemmy.eco.brEnglish
    748·
    10 months ago

    What actresses got nominated? You realize it might be possible there were better actresses from other movies?

    And maybe Ryan was a lot better than most other actors.

    • sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      221·
      10 months ago

      Strong performances this year:

      Nominees:

      Annette Bening - Nyad

      Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon

      Sandra Hüller - Anatomy of a Fall

      Carey Mulligan - Maestro

      Emma Stone - Poor Things

      • rickyrigatoni@lemm.eeEnglish
        101·
        10 months ago

        It’s like people making the complaint forgot that there were other movies with women in them.

  • roofuskit@lemmy.worldEnglish
    564·
    10 months ago

    Honestly, it doesn’t make sense for any of them to get a nom. The film was good, it was enjoyable, but it wasn’t an Oscar film. It wasn’t Gerwig’s best work and it wasn’t Robbie’s best performance. Despite Gosling being one of the best parts of the movie, the pickings for best supporting must have been slim for that to get him a nom for that role.

  • Cringe2793@lemmy.worldEnglish
    598·
    10 months ago

    This is kind of stupid tbh. Margot and Greta are NOT competing against Ryan. They’re competing against other females. This is because of this thing called “categories”.

    Ryan getting nominated has NOTHING to do with this. It’s not like Ryan got nominated but they didn’t because he took their place.

    This is happening because of the absolute flood of female centric characters and movies that came out recently. There’s too much competition. And much to the “feminists” dismay, Barbie is actually mid compared to the other movies and actresses.

          • Baahb@feddit.nlEnglish
            8·
            9 months ago

            But it’s not 50%. The goal of equity and equality is laudable, but it doesn’t reflect reality

            • platypus_plumba@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              9 months ago

              Right, but it is important to understand the origin of those differences.

              They could be prohibition, straight discrimination, social stigma, culture or personal preference. And these are usually linked together and evolve over time. Once prohibition is abolished, discrimination begins. Once discrimination is abolished, social stigma remains… It’s like decaying radioactive elements.

              But yeha, if there are 10% female directors and 10% of the winners were female, sounds like there’s no discrimination there. Anyways, even if percentages don’t match it’s important to go in and check if the decisions were fair. What if the 10% of female directors are really really bad for the movies released that year?

              Too many variables. Things like these require statistical analysis, social analysis, artistic analysis… Pretty complex. I don’t know.

              • Baahb@feddit.nlEnglish
                1·
                9 months ago

                Cool, it sounded like you were spouting idealist nonsense without recognizing it, but that’s not the case, so fuck yeah! Let’s celebrate underrepresented artistic influence!

        • Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.worldEnglish
          61·
          9 months ago

          I’m responding to op saying greta was beat out by other females. This is factually wrong since there’s only one other female director.

          • potustheplant@feddit.nlEnglish
            11·
            9 months ago

            Awesome, thanks for making that clear. Now, which other females do you think should’ve been nomimated? Because if there aren’t any, she was simply beat out by other directors.

            • Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.worldEnglish
              41·
              9 months ago

              I think Greta should have been nominated. I don’t really understand what point you are trying to make. Did you read the original comment where women are getting passed over but men are getting congratulated for theirs and it’s mimicking the Barbie storyline?

              • potustheplant@feddit.nlEnglish
                11·
                9 months ago

                They literally compete in different categories and an actress from Barbie did get nominated. The ones that didn’t weren’t snubbed, other women got their place because they were better. Simple as that.

      • JargonWagon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        9 months ago

        It feels like you’re saying there should be more. I have no idea who’s been nominated, nor do I know most of the films that came out last year, so I’m out of the loop and would like to know if you have any female director movies you’d recommend in place of who’s been nominated.

        • Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          9 months ago

          Barbie was a cultural phenomenon so I would say Greta should at least be nominated. Openheimer was an ok movie in my eyes I didn’t see any of the others. I don’t personally think Barbie was a great movie not a bad movie but more like a good movie. The fact it gave a voice to so many women should mean something.

          • potustheplant@feddit.nlEnglish
            11·
            9 months ago

            You said it, it was a cultural phenomenom, not a great movie. Those are two very separate, very different things. That does not mean that the director of the movie was great. It’s more closely related to what Barbie already means (socially) and the marketing campaign.

            • Spaceballstheusername@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              9 months ago

              But why was openheimer nominated, why was Ryan gosling nominated, why were so many movies nominated, not because they’re great acting or writing or movies but because the impact they have on society.

              • potustheplant@feddit.nlEnglish
                1·
                9 months ago

                Beause it’s a better movie. Because he was better than other male actors in movies from 2023. That last one I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Which movie was nominated because of its “social impact”?

  • gmtom@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5011·
    10 months ago

    As someone that never saw the movie. All the clips, gifs and memes people make about it are the Ken scenes. Nobody talks about barbie presumably because her character and performance were good, but just kinda safe, middle of the road stuff.

  • Smoogs@lemmy.worldEnglish
    341·
    10 months ago

    I’m surprised that Margot Robbie gag account on lemmy hasn’t rung in on this post. Or are they back to obsessing about android phones again? WAKE UP, BOT!

  • ExLisper@linux.communityEnglish
    353·
    10 months ago

    I mean I always knew that Oscars were mostly about hype and not actual artistic value but getting offended that the most hyped movie of the year didn’t get all the nominations is just weird. Mattel run multi-million, non traditional marketing campaign and got a lot of people exited about the movie. It doesn’t say anything about the acting or directing in it.

  • crypticthree@lemmy.worldEnglish
    343·
    10 months ago

    The Oscars have ALWAYS been bullshit. The best films of a given year rarely get nominated let alone win. Barbie made a boatload of money and Gerwig will be able to make at least a few risky projects based on its success. I wish we would all collectively ignore the Oscars because the academy contributes so little to the art of film

    • Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
      151·
      10 months ago

      Yup, very often the “winner” is determined because it’s their “turn” or they deserve it more so than what they did that actual year. Leonardo Di Capero (SP?) for a great example.

      • Tamo240@programming.devEnglish
        5·
        10 months ago

        I also propose Jaime Lee Curtis last year, definitely felt more like a lifetime achievement oscar than that particular role

      • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        14·
        10 months ago

        I think the thousands of people in the Academy who vote on these movies probably beg to differ with your assessment of how the awards get handed out.

        • Crashumbc@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          10 months ago

          And kids in high school will tell you they voted for the person the would make the best class president…

          Of course somehow that always seems to be the most popular person… Hmmm

    • jordanlund@lemmy.worldEnglish
      262·
      10 months ago

      Best Picture goes to the person as a Producer, not a Director.

      So, yeah, if it wins, she’ll be on stage for producing the film, but not directing it.

      • Syntha@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        112·
        10 months ago

        She’s also nominated for best screenplay and Barbie really doesn’t deserve an Oscar for the directing anyways

        • jordanlund@lemmy.worldEnglish
          61·
          10 months ago

          I dunno, the musical numbers and the giant beach battle look to have been pretty challenging from a directing perspective.

          • Syntha@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            6·
            10 months ago

            I’m not saying it’s badly directed but in comparison to Poor Things, Killers of the Flower Moon and Anatomy of a Fall it’s lacking. And I thought it was better than Oppenheimer, but not for the directing.

  • BigBenis@lemmy.worldEnglish
    27·
    10 months ago

    Barbie was good. But my expectations going into it were greatly inflated by all the hype around it… Which sadly left me disappointed by it.

    • astral_avocado@lemm.eeEnglish
      12·
      10 months ago

      Like legitimately one of the best parts is Ken and his dance number, the director went hard on that and fucking aced it. I don’t remember much else from the film and about Barbie tbh

    • RubberElectrons@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      10 months ago

      It happens to all these movies. Nice when you stumble across an unheard of underground film, but then the flip happens: “HOW DOES NOBODY KNOW ABOUT THIS??”

  • SFloss (they/them)@lemmy.mlEnglish
    25·
    10 months ago

    What about America Ferrera? She matters as much as Margot Robbie and got an Oscar nomination for her role in the film.