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    Lol, Linux literally owns the server space, windows owns the desktop space, what exactly does MacOS Own exactly? If best means most pretentious then sure.

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        I would concur. You can record high quality encoded audio on your iPhone, audio design on your iPad with your other samples, and add the mixed soundscape into your film on iMac.

        I literally know someone in the media industry who’s whole effortless workflow is what makes him a go-to guy for quick and flexible turnaround for audio mastery for films. He works exclusively on apple devices for this exact reason.

        I’m not saying it’s impossible another way, but he really likes the ecosystem.

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          I would entirely agree with this, having watch BBC, NatGeo, History Channel, and more media people who love GDrives, only use Macs, filmed deliverables on iPhone, want Mac Pros for editing etc.

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        Only partially true. VFX for example uses Linux quite a bit, and a lot of web devs use Linux too, or even Windows with WSL.

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        But it would be a stretch to say that support is the result of current macOS. The Mac has always been popular with creatives, since way before it was UNIX-based.

        I’d argue the popularity with creatives is largely from being marketed to creatives since its earliest days.

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          I don’t think it’s just marketing, the early Macs got a lot of performance out of their graphics routines, and then Mac OS had tight integrations with postscript which made it good for graphical design.

          I think these days yes a powerful graphics card will get you very far, but overall macOS feels much less hostile to me than windows. I think Linux is kind of a mess for graphics stuff, there are a few good open source tools, but the major design suites aren’t well supported.

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            Ecosystem capture and youth indoctrination into the walled garden. Mac is great as long as you never push on Tim Cook’s boundaries.

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            but overall macOS feels much less hostile to me than windows.

            Sure, but this is a purely subjective measure. Same with Linux.

            And the fact is, the Mac has been consistently marketed to creatives since its inception. It is, at the very least, difficult to see how it would have fared without that approach.

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        The lack of non proprietary art tools is a big reason I didn’t go into digital art / graphic design. GIMP just cannot keep pace and I did not want to shell out $500 a year or more in subscriptions just to be able to do a job with no security that pays pennies.

        Its also a big part of why I’m “pro” AI art (I’m actually pretty neutral, I’m not liking that they’re burning down the Amazon to make shitty ads with). I think it’s gonna be a decent tool for artists to automate repetitive tasks like cutting backgrounds out of photos for collages, upscaling / enlarging images, adding background textures to landscapes, touching up acne in portraits, and animating repetitive shots like walking. but right now we’re unethically sourcing the training data and shoving it into anything and everything with 0 regard for how many resources it’s costing to make content that’s shitty anyway.

        The other half of my argument “in favor” is that the only thing worse than AI existing is AI only existing in the hands of the bourgeoisie and is plebs not even knowing how it works in addition to them using it to gain an unfair advantage over us. I think we have an opportunity to make sure that the open source tools are decent to begin with instead of letting them have complete control over even more of the creative world.

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          AI art won’t do shit except boot people out of jobs that would require a real artist but won’t have too many people complaining if it is obvious goo.

          As for open-source art tools, krita is fantastic and gets used by a lot of professionals.

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            I believe you, but so far I can spot AI art from a mile away. When I do, I just hit the back button. It’s not interesting. It’s okay when it’s used as a joke for memes. Maybe it’s going to look different in the real world on an advertisement or something. But, really, if I can spot it in the real world, I’ll think the product is fake. I’m definitely the type of person who wont buy if I think that. I’m sure that’s not everybody but, if it is a good percentage is, I’d say companies are going to want to pay real artists. Interesting to see where it all goes.

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        MacOS owns the rich space*

        And a lot of rich people are art dilletants or are able to afford putting their children through expensive art programs with no need to have it pay off. And of course they all buy the “top of the line” (which of course is obviously the most expensive right?) brands.

        Don’t get me wrong, Apple plays into it so the cycle is recursive.

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        Designer here. This is true, but they are also have a seriously good trackpad and good energy use (finally). They work well for design, video and audio, but they are also really nice to operate. It’s a bit like driving a very nice car (which I can’t afford, but have borrowed from a client). Once you get accustomed to it, every other computer—especially laptops—feel like 1980s GM econoboxes.

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          as someone who switched from a macbook to a g14 with fedora, the trackpad experience is actually surprisingly close on some laptops, I had few issues moving over.

          energy efficiency is more something you notice to be better on macs (in most cases) like you pointed out.

          for me efficiency is not bad, but macs are clearly ahead

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            That’s good, how is the support in apps though? I live and die by pinch zooming and quick easy accurate scrolling/panning/rotating in Fusion and most of my graphics apps.

            Side note, there are some really nice Mac only or Mac centric graphics apps that are affordable and not shitty subscriptions like the adobe suite. Pixelmator and Sketch are big for my photo retouching and UI designs.

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              pinch zoom works in inkscape, gimp, rnote and firefox as an example but for other apps also not at all often. yeah app support is for sure better on macbook i didn’t think about that.

              at least new linux apps seem to integrate it more (generally) …

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        As someone in the video and audio production sphere professionally, you are 100% correct. I have a Mac desktop that I use for any work I do, but I run Mint on a notebook for my own purposes.

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        The problem is that the hardware is fairly underpowered to effectively use for any kind of demanding visuals.

        Like if I were rendering out a big 3d scene, I’d want something with a fairly beefy GPU to crunch through the renders relatively quickly.

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          Everything that is professionally rendered is offloaded to purpose built hardware. This part of the workflow would not be any different no matter what the creative is using for their workstation.

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            Sure, in a big 3d animation team, I’m basically a solo animator working with the tools I have immediately on hand. If I had a 5000 GPU Render Farm, then yeah, a Mac as a work station might work, but I’d still rather have a beefier customizable workstation than a Mac.

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        Yeah, I have some anecdotal evidence to that as well.

        Everyone likes to shit on AAPL for being a walled garden, but it’s really hard for some to admit that they are pretty good at what they’re doing.

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          I mean, they kind of have to be pretty good to entice you into the walled garden to begin with. Get people in the door with a smooth, super-polished experience, and then you’ve already got plenty of them pretty well won over. You’ll lose some users with previous experience with another OS to “It doesn’t work the way it did on $ancient_version of $OS, I hate it,” that go back, some just get tired of the same thing and want to try something new, and others that hit the walls of the garden and decide they want out. If it was straight garbage and restrictive, on top of being expensive, nobody would hang around until they got comfortable enough that overcoming the friction of changing was a real obstacle to switching.

          There’s just a disproportionate representation of folks like myself in tech communities versus the general population who are opposed to any walled garden, no matter how polished, when there exist a free alternative.

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      it’s very popular with developers due to being a turnkey posix environment. given the choice between mac and windows for development, i would go with mac every time. it’s not my personal first choice but it’s tolerable.

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      what exactly does MacOS Own exactly?

      It certainly isn’t the enterprise space, ALL their business features and integrations are half-assed at best and downright painful to use at worst (ESPECIALLY iOS device management, fuck what a shit show that is)

      I came up with the phrase “Windows is an enterprise OS with consumer features, MacOS is a consumer OS with (half-assed) enterprise features” to describe it perfectly.

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        Have you used windows lately? I swear it’s become half-assed as an OS. Might still have the enterprise management features, but it’s incredibly painful in a mixed enterprise environment that is not standardized office boxes. (e.g. science equipment). I avoid it like the plague if at all possible due to it’s now quirky nature.

        I’m dating myself, but at least NT didn’t crash all the damn time when you access a share on a NetApp or install a new version of the evil Java… Etc.

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          As an enterprise admin, I concur.

          Windows seems to be turning into some kind of weird botnet that exists only to waste wattage and bandwidth on updating itself and looking for security risks. I have weirdly fond memories of NT… but I don’t miss updating JRE on 1k+ machines though…

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            Application virtualization, folks.

            Chuck your JRE in an environment with the content that needs it and be done.

            Yes, im crying they’re killing off app-v…

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          Yes, our environment is 50/50 MacOS/windows atm

          I do agree that windows is getting shittier by the day and it’s bleeding into the enterprise side of things. But, it’s nowhere near as bad as MacOS is in an enterprise environment. At least Windows meets you (an enterprise/org, def not as a consumer) half way and has a high bar to fall from. Apple’s offerings…were never good, always felt forced and an after thought. The “Apple Magic” only applies to regular consumers ig lol

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        And then those “enterprise features” get borked on the next major macOS release.

        Oh you wanted to ensure your remote assist tool could be granted the proper permissions to work? Well screw you! We took away the ability to grant Screen Recording permissions through a MDM profile. Suck it!

        In case you didn’t know the Screen Recording permission is needed to be able to view the display/screen in applications like Zoom when screen sharing or for remote assist through Screen connect.

        Apple’s “reason” was essentially “… Think of the users! It’s for their security”.

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          Yep, we have about 30% macOS clients. It’s clear from Apple decisions that they favor the user as being an individual rather than an organization. The amount of third-party junk stapled onto the OS to enable a semblance of management is very un-Apple-esque.

          Organizations can absolutely be the user or consumer of a product. In my Windows 11 Home edition, I definitely feel who they see as the user, and it isn’t me.

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          damn that sucks, but on the other hand, Management then also cant smuggle in screen capturing software to snoop on their devs/users.

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            As a Sysadmin I would be immediately looking for a new job if management wanted to snoop on employees machines via a screen recording/capturing software. I wouldn’t want it done to me and I sure as hell wouldn’t feel right deploying such spyware!

            Not to mention it immediately errodes the fragile trust between IT and the rest of the company and troubleshooting or implementing changes becomes that much harder.

            What I tell EVERY person, not just coworkers, is DO NOT TREAT THIS AS A PEROSNAL DEVICE. Keep your personal stuff off the work machine.

            It’s not even because of snooping by the company. What if the company performs a remote wipe after an unexpected termination? If that device is the only place you kept important documents… Well, you are up shit creek without a paddle.

            Now, the type of remote assist tools we have make it very clear to the other person we are connected and can see their screen(s) - connection notifications, persistent banners and disconnect notifications. Every team I’ve worked on makes it protocol to ASK the employee if we can remote in.

            It might seem like a formality but honestly if someone hasn’t heeded our advice and is logged into their banks site I don’t want to see it! It’s very much a CYA policy for IT, but it also shows respect for other employees privacy.

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            I’m pretty sure that could be negated by having a dot appear somewhere in the corner if the screen is currently being recorded. That would prevent silent snooping at least.

            That’s at least what my phones does for certain sensitive permissions, like camera or microphone.

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      I’m old enough to remember when people thought OSX Server was a competitive option because it was technically “unix”. Needless to say, once people figured out Apple was using Linux for their own servers, despite numerous attempts to switch over to OSX Server. OSX Server went tits up. Apparently OSX Server hung around as an addon to OSX for casual use.

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      The “luxury” space. It’s overpriced hardware with an honestly relatively pretty aesthetic and the OS has so many guardrails they’re hard to really mess up, and when someone does mess it up, apple stores are ubiquitous enough that its a pretty quick trip to get it fixed. Perfect for people with a bit more money than sense who don’t want to or have the time/ability to figure out how to properly use a more flexible OS that requires a bit more knowhow to use and not break.

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        I would say thats mostly because of Company policies since devs would use the same tools you would use in a linux box. As an Android Developer and CICD Manager I really hate that I have to use a MacBook Pro when a good ol Thinkpad would be more than sufficient.

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          I would say thats mostly because of Company policies since devs would use the same tools you would use in a linux box.

          Not at all the case for me and for other devs where I work. We can freely choose to run Linux, and some people do (mostly backend devs). M-series MacBooks dominate though because of the simple fact that they are just so much more powerful than the alternatives.

          Since you’re doing Android development, you’re probably saving some very significant amount of compile time, if you’re running an M-series MacBook Pro.

          When the M1 was released there were actually stories of companies sidestepping normal device replacement policies and upgrading all mobile devs to M1s because of the time savings involved, which should tell you something about the power in these machines.

          Since the release of the M-series, the MacBook Pros have gone from being primarily a fashion item to becoming primarily a tool for work - someone made the apt comparison that the previous MacBooks were trying to be Lamborghinis - pretty to look at at the expense of functionality, while the M-series are tractors - tools to accomplish jobs.

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          Same. We have an iOS build, and it turns out you can only debug iOS apps on macOS.

          Other than that, none of my job needs macOS, and I honestly hate macOS, but it’s what we standardized on due to iOS support, though we really only need one or two macOS devices because 99% of our app is the same across platforms.

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      Linux owns more than server/web space. It’s everywhere. A lot of IoT is Linux too. Also drones, router, switches, NASs, smart white goods, cars, etc, often have Linux in somewhere too. TVs were Linux, but are now Android, which is Linux but not GNU/Linux. Basically user facing Linux is often Android, though not the Steam Deck.

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        IoT is 80% Linux. Linux owns every space except Game Console and Desktop, at least that I can think of.

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          BSD and other permissively licenced code is used a load in games. PS4-PS5 are FreeBSD based I think. GCC is often the compiler used for these platforms. Though maybe Clang + LVM now. So loads of FOSS is used, but these is little community participation. That what non-copyleft allows. Maybe it’s better now. I left games over 12 years ago now and not really following.

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        Mine was like 2005 for home and 2012 for work. Windows and Mac are a distant memory. Thankfully.

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          2006 for me. Work varies depending on the company and position, but I mostly find ways around it.

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      what exactly does MacOS Own exactly

      Definitely not the server space. OSX Server flopped in the early 2000’s. But you know, OSX is definitely “unix”.