cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597
Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It’s nice and cozy here, we do have some “bad parts of town” but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol
For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz
You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)
There’s much more around as well!
Obligatory, fuck Spez
Welcome to lemmy newbies, here is your first official feud post.
Solidarity amongst the instances! We will not be divided!
I’m not gonna be equipped to make a nuanced and detailed take right now but in my experience hexbears are alright, fun to talk to, I can learn things from them, and at worst they’re spicy.
OMG. I just discovered Lemmy yesterday after being a Redditor for a decade. I deleted my Reddit account after the insane level of suppression I’ve endured over the past year and was all set to go cold turkey when I found out about Lemmy! Praise the sweet lil’ six pound, eight ounce baby Jesus!!
No mention of dbzer0. com anywhere in the meme or text? To any newcomers, if you wouldn’t download a car then you don’t need to know about that instance.
Lol I made the original meme and text, I kinda just brain dumped the instances from the top of my head, the hope was others would chime in with their fav instances/comms and add to the list
Happy to report that Zip has been quite enjoyable.
It must be the chunk of land they’re sitting on. Just can’t see it because the full text can’t be read in its entirety from that close up.
From what I can tell, this tankie stuff is bullshit. In the years I’ve been here, I’ve seen close to zero ‘tankie’ content from any of these supposedly tankie instances. There’s like maybe one or two people on those instances who might fit the description if you search for them. Meanwhile, literally every day there are posts spitting on these supposed tankie instances. (And actually, it’s again a very small number of people complaining - but they put their crap into cute memes to get traction).
I don’t like the idea of shouting slurs at entire instances. In my view, if you hate those instances so much - just block them. Problem solved. No need to spew hate all over lemmy.
Again, despite claims to the contrary, tankie for most people means “anything left of the Democrats, or willingness to break with US foreign policy.”
No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
“Despite claims to the contrary”, to grossly simplify Wittgenstein, a word’s meaning is how it is actually used.
When hexbear federatedn with SJW, I spent a day arguing Russia invading is bad actually, North Korea isn’t a democratic utopia, and China isn’t a shining pillar of socialism. Then I blocked them all because that was exhausting. So idk if hexbear is still so tankie, but they definitely were at that point.
I have a very different experience. When Hexbear was still federated with the large instances it was total mayhem. They would turn every thread political, constantly spam images of dictators like Stalin and Mao, and swarm anyone who disagreed. I’ve seen them deny the wrongdoings of China and the Soviet Union quite often, which is probably also what’s necessary if you spam Mao and Stalin unironically.
I’m quite left of center myself, at least relative to most people I know in real life. But these people seemed totally insane. It was probably also a numbers game, since Hexbear was relatively large at the time compared to basically every other instance. So maybe this was just an annoying minority. But nevertheless I’d never purposefully go there, and I’d recommend anyone to stay away. It’s way better than for instance a Trumpist/far-right instance, but I’d rather avoid both.
I’m quite left of center myself
lol, every time.
I’m aware that to the far left everyone who doesn’t want to abolish capitalism is considered right wing. I mean the normal (Dutch) political spectrum. Social democratic
I’m kinda far left myself, I think capitalism is a pretty cool guy
normal (white, western, neoliberal) political spectrum.
Brother you literally cannot be pro-capitalist and be left wing.
That does sound bad. If that was my experience, I guess I might actively try to avoid them too. But as it happens, I just rarely see any hexbear stuff anyway. So the fueling of cross-instance conflicts feels unnecessary and a bit icky to me.
I mean, most of the communities are on .world, and if they’re not federating with .world, they’re just not going to show up in the majority of comment sections.
But also, HB is much more of a communal space than most of the big instances, and much more aligned on how they engage with off-site content. And as the fediverse grows horizontally, a significant part of it probably going to be through focused instances, rather than more general purpose sites. We have those covered already, and most of the people interested in something like that aren’t going to leave Reddit anytime soon.
They have what they want.
This means there will be more “we don’t want to host this kind of content” discussions over time, not fewer. The fediverse will look more patchwork, not less.
You have to remember, the people making the tankie accusations consider anyone to the left of Joe Biden a tankie.
I’d rather have the wild west of ideas over reddit. So I don’t mind em
Based
Try criticizing .ml on an .ml sub and you’ll start to taste the authoritarianism
I’m jealous, I keep seeing them everywhere. As for the blocking, I’ve tried to block .ml several times but for some reason it hasn’t worked. -_-
Please see my guide posted earlier in this comment section. I hope you can block .ml soon, as it is your lemmy and you should use it how you want. Block me too, thanks.
Thanks for the guide, but I’ve already done exactly that and yet it never works for some reason.
Perhaps that’s because your instance is defederated from them? They were all over the place before most other major instances defederated from them. They are still all over the place if you’re on an instance that federates with them. I had to manually block their bullshit when I was on Yiffit. I don’t have to on Pawb or Lemmy.World.
lemm.ee federates with all three of the mentioned instances, so they are definitely seeing the posts from those instances.
I’ve seen a few. They are mostly just anti American (fair enough). They often miss the point that something being anti American doesn’t mean they are not their own empire with its own problematic takes.
Yiffit was never federated with any of them, none of them federate with porn instances.
Them not federating with another instance doesn’t stop other instances seeing their content. It only stops their instance seeing the blocked instance’s content.
If instance A isn’t federated with instance B, nobody from instance B sees instance A’s content. That is different from a block.
The tankies are pretty bad on the world politics community on ml.
The politics community on world is even more rabid and unconstructive than the Reddit equivalent
Hexbear defederated from my instance for being authoritarian Nazis. What triggered this decision? A vote organised by the instance’s admins, to choose whether or not to defederate from the bears. You cannot make this shit up.
Oh and the vote itself was started because of them brigading us, calling us a bunch or Nazis. So, yeah.
Huh, that sounds pretty bad, let me look that up. Oh wait, it’s a total lie.
My personal opinion, for those who are interested, is that these two instances (Hexbear and Lemmygrad) are filled with what we call here nazbols, tankies, or even left-wing fascists.
“It came from the statement made in the thread that hexbear was ‘aggressively pro-trans,’ which seemed quite disgusting and fetishizing to me. This aligns with the rest of the authoritarian theme of the instance, you might say, having the perspective that one must make a superhuman effort to allow a minority to use a space.”
-jlai.lu admin’s vichy ass.
You cannot make this shit up.
Really? Seems like you can and did.
Yep. The few I see are easily ignored. Or poked if you want to set them off.
“Tankie Triad?” Really? This is just McCarthyian LARPing, you don’t have to constantly saber-rattle towards the Marxist-friendly instances.
In the past week I caught a 7 day ban for “misinformation” (x3, then for reposting a link to the mod logs, “skirting the rules”, “repeated offenses” etc.) from /c/WorldNews for accusing Democrats of being complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. An actual fact - tens of billions of dollars in arms sent to an ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing by Biden. No problems like that on lemmy.ml. That really says it all for me. Lemmy’s basically just a fediverse reddit, with the same mod structure - if mods abuse their power, and admins don’t keep them in check, it’s time to ditch the instance.
By the way, Lemmy itself was created by Dessalines, the admin of lemmy.ml. Who I collaborated with briefly on building some of the UI that you’re using right now to read this. Very thorough guy.
I caught a 7 day ban in microblog memes for “whataboutism” after I pointed out that leftists were not responsible for the democrat’s loss, their actions would have been wildly unpopular whether we told them or not.
.world needs a targeted marketing campaign, we just need to point to the very public mod log. The mods at .world do all the work for us lol.
“/c/” doesn’t tell us much. I assume you mean !worldnews@lemmy.ml or !worldnews@lemmy.world? Try !world@quokk.au
https://lemmy.world/c/world actually.
I meant that one, my bad
And if you ask people if they’re pro-Putin and pro-Russia and against Russian crimes against humanity, you’ll get banned faster than you can say “Синдром вахтёра”
Goes for Lemmy.ml and some reason Midwest.social as well.
Edit Case in point after writing this comment angry lil’ Ruskitos brigade me and use all their mod power and remove comments like
this I’ve made. Very “incivil” to call out Russian disinfo. KekIf you go on there concern trolling and trying to start shit, I bet you will get banned.
But, fun fact, communists actually are not a fan of fascists.
I’m still not banned and I have been critical of russia and support Ukraine. Everybody Sucks Here
General sentiment doesn’t matter. It’s when you, for example, point out that davel@lemmy.ml is a Russian disinformation agent. He is literally Russian, he’s cleaned up his profiles now, but when I started looking into that account I found several alts on other instances with communication in Russian. Like there wasn’t even a hint of suspicion if he was Russian or not.
But davel@lemmy.ml account adamantly insists that they are American “born and bred”, while still literally saying Putin is right to invade Ukraine, denying Uyghyr genocide, denying Russian war crimes, posted tons in the run up to the US presidential election about “don’t vote genocide joe” and all that “avoid voting no matter what” bullshit as an intentional push to instigate apathy in American voters to decrease voter turnout.
Him, antioutsideaktion, it’s rather trivial to recognise them.
And the simplest way is to ask them “are you pro-Russian”. Davel is afraid of answering it, despite clearly and vocally supporting Russian propaganda, even going so far as to literally say “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias”. I mean, literally.
And after saying that, he still won’t say he’s Russian. And pretends to be American? What a patriot, right?
He’s a mod so he banned me from everywhere he could. Nowadays he doesn’t really even dare to participate on lemmy.world so I don’t engage him. :D
“Look at me, look at me. I am the moderator now.”
Uyghyr genocide
Lol
63·5 days agoHe’s a mod so he banned me from everywhere he could
Goes to check modlog
History of misgendering/trolling
It’s a ban on midwest.social, not even .ml
Misgenders unapologetically
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This seems like an odd message considering that Lemmy, as software, is being praised here; and what is being criticized are instances wherein the admins enforce apologism for authoritarian regimes.
If someone writes a program you like, it means they’ve got good political ideas. /s
I would argue FOSS is more akin to cooperative anarchism or library economics. Murray Bookchin
i agree, commies trying to claim FOSS is really a stretch, they are desperate to pretend to be relevant
Speaking of pretending to be relevant, how ancient are you that you still use the word “commies”?
do you prefer the more current term marxist-lenninist like lee oswald?
true though, isn’t it, not being relevant since roughly… 89?
Least incoherent reactionary
Tankies aren’t communists.
“Tankie” is a pejorative that basically looks like an exact replica of McCarthy’s strawman of a Communist. The purpose of the term is to claim the accused that they genuinely hold those McCarthyian characteristics, regardless of reality. It shuts down conversation because it would be inconvenient to have those conversations, it’s a thought-terminating cliché more than a real thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
Here are some thoughts:
Marx said communism is stateless
The state won’t wither away if you keep defending its right to use force
The vanguard party must either accept revolution against themselves so that society can become more communist, or become reactionary tyrants
Modern Russia isn’t fucking socialist, you don’t need to defend it anymore
State capitalism isn’t socialism. State socialism requires robust democracy
Every actual successful communist nation that reached communism didn’t have a vanguard state
Being an enemy of the West doesn’t mean a country inherently deserves your support. That’s how voting works, it’s not how international relations work
Trump is planning to displace the Palestinians and make Gaza a US colony, and Lemmy’s Marxist-Leninist community tried to help him
Having a small movement with little power isn’t an excuse for making bad decisions. Take responsibility for your actions
Drag is not seeking to have an argument about each and every one of these points. Drag is seeking to prove that “tankie bad” is not a thought terminating cliche as you said. Drag has plenty of thoughts, and has already discussed them exhaustively on this platform. And this list of thoughts isn’t an invitation to sealion.
Of course drag isn’t inviting to sealion, drag is gish-galloping and isn’t interested in any conversation. drag has proven this, from defending Nazi-led pograms as “true revolution” to pretending Marx was an Anarchist and wanted full decentralized horizontalism, rather than full centralization and democratization as industry gets ever more complex.
drag is therefore either uninterested in genuine conversation, or is a troll.
Marx said communism is stateless
every type of leftism that im aware of except for social democrats want to achieve a stateless society. to be fair im not sure if social democrats can even be considered leftists.
Different leftists have a different idea of what constitutes the “State” and what “Statelessness” looks like. For Marxists, the State is the oppressive elements of class society like millitarized police and armies that can only go away once the world is fully publicly owned and planned, and becomes classless. Anarchists however have an issue with hierarchy, rather than class, and want full decentralization and horizontalism. For a Marxist, Anarchism isn’t “stateless” as it retains class distinctions (each commune is interested in its own success), Anarchists obviously would see Marxism as not truly stateless.
This difference is why a lot of conversations go nowhere between some Marxists and Anarchists.
i generally lean ML, but both of these are stateless to me? isnt this really about horizontal vs hierarchical power?
If we are to agree with Engels, Communes (or cooperatives) consist entirely of Petite Bourgeoisie, unless there is no interaction outside said commune. Trade between communes implies each commune wishing to get more out of the trade, which implies differences in material wealth in communes that can then escalate into Capitalism. It isn’t what we think of as a State, but some form of armed millitia must be maintained to enshrine ownership within a commune, and not outside it, ergo a state enforcing class distinctions.
Really, though, I think the term “stateless” brings ideological baggage rather than logical. What’s important is the structures themselves, not how we wish to label them. Conversations around “true” Communism or whatnot inevitably fall into ideological debate based in idealism, rather than a logical analysis of material conditions.
Yeah, at this point the word “tankie” is used so liberaly that communists are just one type of “tankie”.
or “tankie” is just a type of communist. who knows at this point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof
Karl Marx said communism is stateless. Tankies are named after their support of soviet tanks to put down revolutions. That’s the opposite of stateless.
Marx also described the State as the elements of government that entrench class distinctions like private property rights and armies, but that such a state could only wither away once all industry was publicly owned and controlled. Marx believed the workers needed to be armed and protect revolution.
This has also been explained before, but one of the “revolutions” you defended was led by Nazis that were marking the doors of Jews and Communists, and had started lynching them.
Lol, well I guess there are no communists then, because not even Marx himself, as nonone has achieved statelessness.
Also, what a stupid image, it’s literally just horseshoe theory with “I’m on of the good leftists” liberal boot licking thrown in
Well except for the Catalonians, the Haudenosaunee, the Australians, the Polynesians…
Catalan made their own “state” that’s not stateless. Humans need societies and structures, we aren’t tigers, we’re weak hairless monkeys.
Ok, I think I’m comfortable resting my case that you contorting the meaning of the word ‘communist’ beyond reason.
Dude you know what I mean, don’t be the ACKSHUALLY guy
FOSS isn’t Soviet style state capitalism / socialism either.
Ok man, you do you.
I checked you profile, in 4 months you have 3 times the comments I wrote in 3 years and you answered my comment within 1 minute.
I strongly suggest a healthy cure of touching grass.Drag suggests you learn what a dude, guy, or man is, and why perhaps you shouldn’t call strangers those words, especially after investigating their profiles and most likely realising they’re nonbinary.
Yeah I’m sorry, I wasn’t trying to misgender you, in my language all of those are intended as gender neutral. And please don’t feel my suggestions are something meant to attack you, just don’t focus on small details to avoid listening what other people are really meaning to say.
If I were criticizing various nations more than the U.S., I wouldn’t shame people for “authoritarian bootlicking”. Glass houses and all that.
The tankie triad
making a bunch of forums seem so dark and mysterious
have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls
I will never understand how you would defend an instance that is not only deep in genocide denial and praise of authoritarian regimes.
But also one whose head admin (and main Lemmy dev unfortunately) is a transphobe
Transphobia is only unacceptable when it’s SHITLIBS who can be accused of it.
I am transfixed by their new obsession with women’s sports.
Remember when the WNBA was a punchline on Futurama? Where were these assholes then?
Those assholes don’t like women’s sports, they only use it as a stick to hurt those who are different from them.
First time reading the original statement, and this actually makes me less concerned. It isn’t secret knowledge that the capital has worked hard to reframe being left from wanting anti capitalist economic policies to mostly social issues without consequence such as inclusive language and skin color quotas. None of that addresses the real problem that is the capitalist system driving us all into servitude and the planet towards collapse.
This is also why the left is generally not considered attractive to the average voter. They don’t care about any of that social crap, they care about their own situation and how to improve that. And while inclusivity is important and a just cause it is entirely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and not a valid agenda to run a political movement on.
The lives of every marginalized group of people will improve a hundred times more by toppling the system that keeps us all oppressed and unhappy, than by having the government use their preferred pronouns when letting them know they have to make do with less, again.
Just say you’re fine with bigotry as long as white dudes benefit in the way you want, it’s a lot faster and more intellectually honest.
Just say you’re fine with capitalism as long as lgbtq people are addressed in the way you want, it’s a lot faster and more intellectually honest.
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It’s way more fun to pretend hexbear and .ml are super dark and scary than to admit what they mostly actually are: leftist memes and shit posting.
Notice Beehaw’s not on the “good” list anymore? Wonder why they’re not on there…
I think Beehaw isn’t on the good list here because the account that shared the meme is on Lemmy World which isn’t federated with Beehaw.
So it’s a lack of knowledge of the users that left it off not any nefarious intent.
But that’s my 2 cents.
I thought Beehaw defederated from everyone else during the first mass reddit migration in 2023. It’s not surprising not a lot of people know about them.
Not us 🫶 I enjoy the Beehaw communities I subscribe to
I still get Beehaw posts on my instance too. They’re nice people.
Ya know what, I just looked at their instance page for the first time and their community rules show that they appear to have their head on straight and are setting good policy. I’ll have to try to get an account there and see what I’ve been missing.
They really are a community of nice people trying to protect their peace, as far as I’ve seen. They just defederated from instances with open registration due to influx of trolls, and a lot of users from those groups got offended over it. It was minor drama, but nothing offensive. It’s a bit sad that they’re still being vilified over it.
Got my account and started reading and posting today, and you’re right, they are nice people. I had somehow mixed up Beehaw and Hexbear in my head. Big mistake.
I may end up moving over there as primary just because I’m so tired of the trolls myself.
Beehaw is like the Elks Lodge of the Lemmyverse. From the outside they look exclusive, mysterious, and enticing. Inside, there’s just a few drunk guys singing karaoke.
At least that’s my assumption. They wouldn’t let me in because I refused to write a paragraph about why I wanted to join an instance that I knew virtually nothing about. Even the Elks Lodge wasn’t that picky.
They still federate with some instances. They’re just like everyone else, but have strict rules about not being a jerk.
I knew of Beehaw, but they got left off mostly because last I heard they were extremely selective on who they federated with.
My personal opinion of Beehaw is, I have none unlike The Tankie Triad where i’ve experienced and seen the games they play. Then again, I think BH does fed with them, so if they’re so selective to do that…
This is why I’m glad I’m on lemme.ee, and I have the option to choose for myself as they don’t really defederate any of the main instances.
As far as it goes, I’m just here for good memes and good conversation. Anytime someone goes into tankie territory, I just go to another thread. Live and let live, even if I disagree (until someone verges into nazi territory).
This is why I’m glad I’m on lemme.ee, and I have the option to choose for myself as they don’t really defederate any of the main instances.
In this case the choice isn’t yours. I’m not aware of any server that defederated from Beehaw. Beehaw was the one that blocked most everyone else. They could choose to block lemm.ee if they wanted to for any reason.
It’s way more fun to pretend hexbear and .ml are super dark and scary than to admit what they mostly actually are: leftist memes and shit posting.
“Ha ha, we’re just having a little bit of fun denying the Uyghur genocide, praising North Korea, and saying Ukrainians deserve to be massacred 😊”
And yet, on other Lemmy instances like world, people will fight to the bitter end defending Joe Biden’s policy of enabling Israel. And if you dare suggest Kamala Harris was also going to keep supporting Israel, you’ll be crucified lmao.
I guess genocide is okay if it’s backed by a Western power (but only if a democrat is in charge).
Nah, fuck Biden’s and Harris’s handling of the situation. It was a disaster and needs to be called what it is.
But I think what you are suggesting is a disingenuous interpretation of what most people were saying during the US election. No one was suggesting that Biden/Harris were good for Palestine. Only that Trump would be much, much worse. And I feel like the events of the past few weeks have validated that fear, however horrifying that is to type out.
You’re not looking forward to a beachfront vacation, sleeping over the skeletons of dead little kids that we all helped pay to murder? What’s wrong with you?
I personally have seen nobody defending Biden’s enabling of Israel, I have seen a bunch of people choosing the lesser of two evils and getting chastised over it as if there was a magical third option (abstaining just enables trump stfu)
Yeah he’s full of it. Or maybe by “people” he means like, two people. lol
Ah yes. Feel smug about your moral victory of refusing to vote for Harris while Trump glasses Gaza and throws people into concentration camps at home.
I hate what has been and is happening to the Palestinians. But as a member of a targeted group I do not have any energy left to try any help them while trying to get myself and my friends to safty. As I tried to tell idiots would happen.
Also, Harris could have been swayed by public opinion. Trump cannot.
If Harris was gonna be swayed by public opinion, it would have happened after the massive protest vote in Michigan. It didn’t. It could have happened after polling showed how incredibly unpopular her Gaza policy was with her party base. It didn’t. And it didn’t change when she actually needed votes, it’s safe to say it never would have changed.
If Harris has been elected, a huge number of Democrats would be more than happy to sweep current events in Gaza under the rug, because now our person is in charge, and they can do no wrong.
Stop with your moral grandstanding. Harm reduction is a thing. Both are bad options, but even assuming she wouldn’t have been swayed things would still have been better than they are now. You can do your protest vote in the primary if you want, but those short-sighted actions in the general is how fascism has won.
Regardless, it really just feels like you decided to fuck over minority groups in the US while also making things worse for the Palestinians. Trump is gearing up to start WW3 and the only reason I think they aren’t going to nuke Gaza is because they want the land. Not that conventional weapons can’t do the same amount of damage.
Meanwhile, you throw women, immigrants, and trans people under the bus because you wanted to feel smug about something. Between wondering if I will be able to maintain rights, or even life, in the next 4 years on top of them literally tearing the government apart and doing damage that will take decades to fix, if it even can be fixed, I don’t see things getting back to even how they were a year ago in my lifetime, even if I manage to get to an old age.
I can only do what I can, and I can’t fight for people in another country when I’m worried about what is happening domestically. My focus has to be making sure my friends and I are safe. I am exhausted and have no energy left to spare for the Palestinians.
I hate that I have to make that decision, but people like you forced it on me. We told all of you this would happen, and you did not care. I can’t help Palestinians if I get arrested for existing or just murdered in the street.
They want to classify all trans people as porn, just for existing in public, and then execute “pornographers”, which will largely just be queer people they just arbitrarily classified as porn. It’s literally what the Nazis did.
So I really have no sympathy left. Honestly, I’m pretty sure much of the people who refused to vote over Gaza likely just fell for a right wing campaign to split the left. If so, it worked and you fell for it. The people who aren’t Trump supporters and didn’t vote for Harris are short sighted fucking idiots.
I have no more energy to coddle people like you and if me calling you out for stupidity for letting fascism win “pushes” you to the far right, then you never actually had any principals.
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There is nothing left about promoting anarchy for your enemies and authoritarianism for your allies.
Hexbear does nothing but sit around all day sucking Xi Jinpings cock and praising Trump, and ML is just that but slightly watered down.
Notice Beehaw’s not on the “good” list anymore? Wonder why they’re not on there…
As far as I understood at the time, Beehaw cut themselves off from just about everyone else in the fediverse. If they want to make that choice I respect their position but its sending the message they’re not interested in interacting with most others. If someone tells you to go away and they don’t want to talk to you, I’m not going to chase them and try and change their mind. I’m going to let them go do whatever they want to do and I’ll do my own thing with most everyone else.
have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls
Who play apologist for genocide and fascism.
Hai im a silly girl
Love everything about reddit but inexplicably wish to leave it?
Hate the idea of an english speaking internet that doesn’t slavishly adhere to the party line of the US alphabet agencies?
Do you think the parable of the nazi bar is bunch of hokum?
Do you have shrieking anger towards people who refused to support genocide while having shrieking anger at (usually the same) people rejecting decades long debunked accusations of genocide made by the perpetrators of aforementioned genocide?
Join the lemmyverse! We have racism! We have homophobia! We have trans misogyny! We have daily 5 minutes hate!
And if anyone tells you different, have you considered they’re a paid shill by the notorious gay sex haver Putler??
We have Ukrainian/Uyghur genocide denial!
Remember, if the US accuses someone of genocide, you have to believe them! Donbas genocide is just propaganda though, and Gaza isn’t that bad.
“Not all people defending their country are nice people”
“It’s almost a genocide, but not quite, so it’s all good”
Priceless. Do you think Russia would have had moral problems arming questionable militia in the first place? Because at least the USA did, initially.
- There’s a big difference between ‘there’s Nazis in our military’ vs ‘our government is erecting monuments of Nazis.’
- It’s not even ‘almost a genocide.’ The US officials are trying to save face. The CIA and State Dept were training Uyghur extremists to destabilize the region, and they’re pissed China put a stop to it, and started rehabilitating the militants.
Your views seem to coincide with Russian propaganda.
You’re pro-Russian and think Russia was not wrong to break international law by invading a sovereign nation. I would bet.
This strikes me as much of the root of the problem here, of why immature and uneducated people are drawn to fascism. You all treat it like team sports.
You really can’t even imagine opposing Russia while also opposing Nazis. Or you’re just a Nazi looking to groom people into the ideology with Russiaphobia.
I’m a Finnish person with detailed understanding of Russia.
We literally fought Nazis and Russia, both.
I constantly criticise the US for it’s growing fascism. I also heavily criticise my own country for its authoritarian tendencies. See unlike you, I don’t have a preferred flavour when it comes to injustice. I’m disgusted by it all.
So your attempt at generalising is really ironic here. You are literally doing what you blame “others” for doing “treating it like team sports”. But you can’t accept a single criticism of Russia. And would NEVER admit to the WELL DOCUMENTED war crimes they’ve pulled during their ILLEGAL INVASION of a sovereign country with some ridiculous excuse of “we are invading them to save them from Nazism and install our dear leader”.
“ideology of Russiaphobia”
First of, it’s “russophobia”. Secondly, no, pointing out facts about Russia, like their endless amount of war crimes isn’t any sort of discrimination, вахтера.
Your views seem to coincide with Russian propaganda.
You know who else was a vegetarian? Hitler.
Views stand of their own merits irrespective of such coincidences.
Yea lets.
He’s saying Ukraine is Nazi, pretty directly, to justify Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine.
Pretty different from saying someone is Hitler because they’re vegetarian. So different in fact one might be inclined to think you weren’t actually making an argument in good faith, but strawmanning mine.
Nothing says holocaust denial more than deliberately watering down the term ‘genocide’
Nothing says genocide apologist like insisting every genocide has to be exactly like to Holocaust to count as a genocide.
How fun! Just call literally anything you want a genocide (like literally any war, drought, or prison) and then play act outrage when anyone asks you to have a sense of personal shame or honesty!
IT’S TOTALLY NOT LITERALLY A NAZI TACTIC
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
Oh wait, yes it is. It is literally a nazi tactic. You’re doing a literal nazism.
Maybe you should knock it the fuck off before you get confused with a literal nazi, hmmmmmm?
Please explain how you think that article relates to anything that has been said in this thread. No one other than you has tried to draw an equivalence between the holocaust and any other genocide.
didn’t realize that reddit actually did me a favour by giving me the boot. lemmy is way better
Authoritarian bootlickers is ironic, while at leats the Americans are watch their country go full authoritarian fascist right now.
There are some real weirdos here that have this as the major part of their personality.
How else are they going to find an audience for their huge list of irrelevant copy-pasted bullet points?
Like that guy with the Buckies profile pic? lol I see him everywhere
Yes, welcome redditors to .world, which is trying to model itself as reddit 2.
Okay, but where is the instance that is trying to model itself after slashdot? (I feel old)
Best I can do is act like a slashdotter:
This general idea has already failed elsewhere. What you want can’t work.
Just point me to the Natalie Portman and hot grits.
It’s a bit like OSRS for reddit - an attempt to revive the reddit we all have very rose-tinted memories of. Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten about the the rampant casual misogyny, tribalism, moderator political infighting, that the 2007 XP rates were actually abysmally implemented and desperately needed retooling (and that deeply awkward “ron paul” phase reddit went through…)
So far, it’s quite refreshing. However I miss some of the smaller niche hobby subreddits, as fediverse hasn’t gained enough momentum yet. There are “channels” (?) that have like 300 people, and a post every other month, which is too small right now.
Comms are more like hashtags within an instance, generally, rather than a real community in itself.
