If you’re trying to get lung cancer … get lung cancer with style
If you are going to get cancer, at least look cool.
- The French
Cigarettes look so uncool, though. Hardly a step up from vapes and they fuckin stiiiinnnnk.
I would much rather be near someone vaping their blueberry muffin raztastic whatever than a lit cigarette
This. I smoked cigs for such a long time, now on vape. It’s 100% better. You feel better, your teeth are better, list goes on. Sure it’s not the best, we all should quit smoking. But it’s better than nasty ass cigs that stay on your clothes, car, makes your teeth yellow and the list goes on.
There is nothing better than a cig, a glass of whiskey, in a hot tub naked on a cold day. But I don’t want that everyday.
I mean, I hate it when I’m walking down a street and I get the stink of something sickly sweet wafting over
I honestly put vapes in the same tier of “takes me out of the moment and ruins anything I’m enjoying then”
Yeah it’s just a meme, people smoke waaay less in France today. Back in the nineties it was a whole other world.
Vaping can smell like watermelon, Fruit Loops, etc, but then it’s gone. Cigarettes stink up the surrounding area, seep indoors, when people do it at entrances, and it lingers. Plus the smoker themselves will have it clinging to them…
If you’re used to secondhand smoke they don’t smell bad, even good because of the slight nicotine buzz, and I assume everyone in that country is used to secondhand smoke.
Lung cancer or mystery disease/popcorn lung. You choose
Don’t laugh … my wife has pulmonary fibrosis … it’s basically a mysterious inflammation of the lungs with your immune system running haywire. No one knows what causes it or what triggered it … all we know is that it is happening. They suspect it was originally a virus of some kind (this all started about three / four years before the pandemic). There is no cure, there is no remedy, there is no healing, there is no recovery. It only grows worse with time, spreads through the lungs and drowns you to death as you run out of healthy lung to breathe.
Take care of your lungs everyone.
I’m sorry man that sounds horrible. I hope for some kind of innovation in this field for your wife
Sadly no … it’s an immune dysfunctional disease … basically a broken immune system that is destroying itself from the inside. It’s a very complex thing to try to figure out. The more we studied it and read about it, the more we began to realize that we are all just living with a very delicate machine inside our bodies … the wrong thing, at the wrong time, in the wrong place, in the right circumstances will trigger your lungs to react and never stop. It can be caused by a fungus, virus, bacteria, dust, pollen, chemicals, particles, whatever. It’s the main reason why we should be careful about what we breathe in, that we shouldn’t smoke and wear masks in industrial, farming, construction, agriculture, commercial kitchens, etc.
It’s like driving around everywhere with a glass ball that you should never break. The glass ball is pretty durable and tough and takes a bit of a beating but if you ever come across something that will break or crack it … you will never be able to get it back to what it was.
When it hurts to breathe its a particularly frustrating type of pain
My uncle had that. My heart goes out to you both.
Someone in my family had this. Im really sorry that you have to face this. I hope you have a lot of time remaining with them.
Nobody has gotten popcorn lung from vaping
Hah, so that was just a myth. Thanks.
Vaping isn’t carcinogenic.
We don’t know for sure yet.
For example here is a study seemingly published by the department of subdomains and acronyms: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11773639/
RESULTS
We included 39 studies in the main analysis and 12 in the subgroup analysis. Of these, 2 were longitudinal observational studies, 9 were cross-sectional studies, 1 case report and 27 were cell/in vitro and animal studies. All human studies were conducted in adults, and about half of them had a low risk of bias. No significant incident or prevalent risk of lung cancer or other types of cancer was found in the never smoker current vapers population. However, there was substantial biomarker-based evidence of a significant association between e-cigarette exposure and oxidative stress, cellular apoptosis, DNA damage, genotoxicity, and tumor growth, particularly following acute exposure. We did not find any age or sex-based differences in cancer risk, and findings on race and education-based differences were insufficient.
CONCLUSIONS
There is substantial evidence that e-cigarette exposure is associated with biomarkers reflective of cancer disease risk. However, the overall evidence on cancer risk is still limited and should be further investigated by future research, particularly rigorously designed clinical trials and population-based research.
Either way, purposefully inhaling toxic chemicals is pretty stupid.
Oh yeah, even higher chance of cancer, what’s not to love
certainly not the disgusting smell that’s for sure
Don’t be so sure about that one.
More research needs to be done, but all the evidence points to vaping being vastly safer than smoking. Of course, your lungs are meant to inhale air and nothing else, so neither is still the best option
seems like lack of regulation resulted in a number of high profile serious cases of harm
obviously smoking is bad but saying vaping is vastly safer assumes best case on one side and worse case on the other
If you don’t want to vape that’s fine but acting like it is worse than smoking is crazy. Just don’t buy sketchy refills or any thc vapes in non legal states. Or you could make your own pretty cheaply.
except a number of those were not from sketchy sources so much as the supply chain is itself sketch
that includes the do it yourself juice
so unless you are doing something dry and even then tests on a number of weed products show really bad chemicals in a number of legit dispense products
so yea unless you are growing the shit yourself the industry is kinda the wild west still atm
but yea sig makers have been caught a number of times doing this shit too, they are just more regulated atm
I did vape and made my own juice , before it was cool hehe . Glycerin and propylene glycol base food grade stuff is 99,9%. Add a bit of nicotin and some (quality)flavour if wanted. Just using some good stuff.
It helped me off the cigarettes , and they have like 3000 harmful substances, no way vaping is that bad for you.
Nowadays I just have a cigarillo now and again. But now I got the craving for a joint, no tobacco :)
I don’t consume any nicotine myself, but it seems that letting people use nicotine in a way that is less harmful to their health is a good idea.
There have been specific statements made that express that you shouldn’t use nicotine:
Oh come on, my guy. This is the perfect set-up. Do I need to make a sprog account just to follow you around and show you up?
“Stop smoking those!” the people said, as Timmy dragged away.
“You know those things’ll kill you!” for the fourteenth time that day.
But Timmy’s breaks were longer, since he took the habit on,
and now he was addicted, smoking cigs from dusk to dawn.
So, when a woman stopped and said "I know a better form,
you needn’t even quit the stuff, nor need you fear the harm!"
poor Timmy went right down the street and filled his pockets full
of cartridges and flavored oils and other random bull.
He puffed away then on his vape, and brushed his fears aside,
But glycol soon accumulates, and Timmy fucking died.
Nice one! Forgot about poem for your sprog, they still around?
They are. Their last post on Reddit was 16 days ago.
I’m 45+ and French. This seems very misleading as smoking has been declining a lot the past couple decades.
Did it actually? I remember going to france like twice a year like 30 years ago. And my observation was just: everyone smokes.
When the indoor smoking ban started, i felt like people stopped. Same as over here. But now i feel like at least as many people atarted smoking again. But i haven’t really been in france again in the last 10 years.
Between 2000 and 2019 the number of cigarettes sold in France has halved.
Wtf? How much are people spending to smoke these days??
They spend to finance there tabacco dealer a bi-yearly trip to the border. I don’t trust this type of graph. Every smoker I know buy most of his consomption from a friend buying it in bulk over the border. And it’s a 6 hours round trip. Not the next town.
But also the taxe do reduce their consomption.
6 hours to me is the next town (of any size), and the sort of thing one would do every other weekend. How do the French see it? Is that considered an annual trip distance?
Metropolitan France is a very urbanised country and not that big. I don’t think there is a single places that would required more than 3 hours trip to a town. And even for 3 hours would be for small but hard to make distances like going down from very deeps in the montains trought very small roads.
In 3 hours to the frontier, you drive over 300 km. The people I know that go to Luxembourg to buy tabacco in Bulk go every 2-3 months tops.A 3 hours trips is not that long but you have to drive all the way. There is no realistic planes, trains or buses options. That’s not something you do when have every things you need much closer and no real other reason to cross the border. For regular people a trip to Luxembourg or Belgium (slightly longer the same driving time) would be a once-in-a-year vacation weekend. It is different in parts of France when there is trains. Trips are more commun, less tiring, much more pratical.
This is an official statistic from Germany, but I guess it will be similar for France. Red is female, blue is male.
Yeah it really shifted, still way too many people smoking but vaping + price hike did some good.
I could quit smoking for 20 years but if you were to offer me a Gauloises blue or a gitane I would light it up in a heartbeat
French cigarettes are delicious, just like the cuisine. (And they pair very well)
Smokes in Australia have added flame retardent that make a night and day difference, but I suppose that’s a silver lining as an ex-smoker
Only smoking Virginia tobacco is boring, if I were to smoke I would try Cavendish, Lakatia, and other more spicy and interesting varieties and blends of the plant.
What’s the smoking rate like? In the US, it’s pretty much non-existent in public and only done by old people stuck in their ways.
In 2022, an estimated 16.4 million people (8.4 million males and 8.0 million females) aged 15 years and older were tobacco product users in France. This positions the country as the 14th globally and the 3rd in the WHO European Region in terms of number of tobacco users.
And as someone who works in the service business, I can confirm that there’s a decent amount of smokers.
I don’t have stats with me and in very much biased by my experience. Around me, less than 20% smoke but I believe it’s anecdotal.
It’s quite rare seing someone with a classic cigarette.
I was recently in Europe. It’s not even about health. Guys, stop it, you smell like shit.
For a vape go in a 5km radius of a school.
Ah yes Europe, the mythical country.
Europe is a geological region where most countries share a lot of cultural ties with each other, including the smoking culture.
And my mom
Likely, if she weights <70kg and her name is not Karen 😂😂
Potentially, they could have visited multiple countries. Or maybe they don’t want to partially doxx themselves.
Are you seriously trying to argue that “europeans” isn’t a valid characterization of a group of people with some common traits, you absolute muppet?
As someone you would call “European” there are massive cultural, behavioural and religious differences in Europe.
Not the differences you imagine like NJ vs California vs Texas, much more
And you know what? It’s a good thing and nobody wants to change that. After centuries we even stopped having fun at each other.
Diversity is scientifically and provably good for creativity that in turn is good for everything humans do
In the case of smoking, you can go to an extreme (Berlin) where people smoke in the clubs (even if it is forbidden) to another extreme (Dublin) that is pretty much like US
Did I say all of Europe is the same? Or did I say Europeans have some common traits? Get a grip.
While I agree with most of what you said, I think you are underestimating the huge cultural differences between NJ, CA, and TX. They very much feel like entirely different countries. Very big differences in culture, linguistics, religion, etc.
USA -> States is very similar to EU -> member countries. I understand that within the EU, member countries have their own concept of “states” that are very similar to the US, but I don’t believe most EU countries prioritize local regions over their country as much as the US does. Keep in mind, Europe as a whole is only slightly bigger than the USA (10m sq k vs 9m sq k)
For instance, someone from Texas self-identifies as a Texan first, and then an American second. It’s why one of the first things an American asks when meeting a new American is “where are you from”. The state they’re from will (usually but not always) tell you a lot about them, their priorities, what their culture is, etc.
Personally I think it’s stupid (I’m not a big fan of “states rights”), but I’m very much in the minority in that.
Not the differences you imagine like NJ vs California vs Texas, much more
Dude, Texans fucking hate Californians and and East Coasters.
They share the same citizenship and language but they almost certainly hate each other more than a typical European country hates it’s neighbors because of core value differences.
UK+EU members might hate each other for historical reasons but generally they all hold similar core values. Good ones BTW. Democracy is good.
I live in the midwestern US and if I could I’d have it’s culture swallowed up by the east coast’s culture (except maybe the food) because its pretty fucking boring and backwards in many respects anyway. The only reason I still live here is because I’m poor but I kind of hate midwestern culture.
Diversity is scientifically and provably good for creativity that in turn is good for everything humans do
Diversity is good, smoking is bad. So are Texas’s anti-abortion and anti-trans bills, which is fueled by Texas’s reactionary culture which diverges from Cali and NJ. Including unhealthy or even straight up death cult ideas as a form of “diversity” seems… ill advised.
My point is, sometimes things are just bad and serve no beneficial purpose and can’t be justified on the basis of “diversity”. Smoking culture is one.
What are the common traits of someone from Finland and one from Greece?
They both have a higher percentage of smokers than the US.
Finland 20.7%, USA 23.6%, according to world population review.com and one of the few sources I could find that mentions both the USA and finland. So you’re wrong there. (Globalactiontoendsmoking.org has similar numbers, btw)
Also, you said traits. Plural. But yeah, easier to make up shit and pretend you’re right and then stop replying when proven wrong than just be mature and say “my bad”.
Whoops. I pulled a statistic from 2009. Anyway, here’s another one: they both love public baths. Do you really think you’ll come out on top while arguing Finland and Greece have zero common traits? Do you realize how insane that is?
Saunas are popular in Finland, true. Not so much in Greece. And the Hellenic/Roman public baths, which are quite different from saunas, btw, haven’t actually remained popular in modern Greece nor Italy.
I never said they have zero common traits, but not enough for us to be one big culture or anything close to that. Common traits you can find between Norway and Zimbabwe. Or USA and Japan. Or Nepal and Argentina. Saying “europeans do x” is like saying “Asians do x” or “black people do y”. That’s what’s insane… That you somehow fail to see that. I was recently in Thailand. I guess I know what Asians are like now. AmA!
Maybe y’all Americans all have the same commodified culture managed by a hedge funds but in Europe, every country has a rich culture and its own identity+way of life.
I don’t get the same vibe at all from France and Germany or the Netherlands. I see similarities and a common history which makes the cultural ramification even more telling and insightful
Not American. Try again without the chip on your shoulder.
At least it is organic and not biohazard like US🤣😂
Do you truly believe that?
Or just stop smoking?
i quit for a year and a half, then i made the conscious choice to get back on it because life is so utterly shit i might as well enjoy my vices
Hey look it’s a person who’s never been addicted to anything
No, no… they’re onto something.
Ignoring the realities of addiction is what they’re onto
The reality is that it is hard to quit, but even addicts who haven’t even tried will tell you that. I think it should be encouraged.
reject modernity, embrace tradition
Asshole, don’t make me smell your shitty tobacco, Atleast vapes conceal the smell
Vapes create a gigantic cloud and it smells quite bad.
Both are bad, but vaping is just even more annoying.
Amen. Its also not just water vapor… If it was people Wouldn’t vape. A lot of people have issues with the garbage they put in vapes… But gigs are worse for me personally.
Cigs are worse objectively, when it comes to health
They don’t, you still stink but now of menthol or whatever other flavour you picked
I mean, I’d much rather smell of fruit custard than smoke.
Except that you aren’t required to use a flavor. I don’t use any flavor for many years and the only thing that could anyone others would be the cloud.
I don’t vape for fun, I vape for my nicotine addiction. The flavors made the switch easier but after the switch, I phased out the flavor. Now I don’t smell like an ashtray but you can see me from a distance and I visualize where my bad breath smell from my lunch and my germs are in the air.
i’m with you on the no flavor thing, I make my own vape juice and I use a box mod, shit’s completely inoffensive and nearly free
I would literally rather stick my nose in a dirty diaper than smell a cigarette. The flavour scents are such a huge improvement that I don’t have the words to properly express this.
gross
Funny considering tobacco is a solid American good
Not really. Im not sure the US even produces enough for themselves anymore.
France, where you see cops throwing their cigarettes on the ground as they enter the police station
Britain, where you see smokers outside the hospital doors when you go to an Editors concert.
i don’t think highly of people who smoke but I think much less of people who think it’s cool. at least if you’re embarrassed and apologetic about it I will still consider you a person.
Americans are lame, aren’t they?
not in this aspect, they have better attitude towards smoking than most of the world
I wouldn’t say that. In most of the world it is discouraged, but in the US they are zealots when it comes to smoking.
There is nothing criminal about smoking, and people should not be ostracized for it.
It’s a serious public health concern. It affects everyone.
It affects everyone that smokes.
yeah because the smoke carefully avoids nonsmokers.
In my experience it seeks out nonsmoker’s.
It doesn’t affect me to inhale the second-hand smoke of the asshole smoking at the table next to me? I think it does.
So, the health effects of smoking are born only by the smoker? There are no economic impacts on the general public? Not to mention second-hand smoke.
Having a healthier society benefits everyone. Having a large portion of the population engage in behaviors that hurt public health is harmful to everyone.
That isn’t to say it should be illegal necessarily, but it should be heavily discouraged. That includes by government policy.
Fuck smokers! hahaha. Mmm lung cancer, sounds awesome
it should be criminal and people certainly should be ostracized for it. fuck smokers. I’d rather have heroin addicts in my vicinity.
Did a smoker fuck your wife, by any chance?
you’re the one cucking for smokers so I don’t know what you mean. but my wife doesn’t smell like shit all the time so I can safely say no.
smokers infringe on the rights of everyone around them. they can suck shit. hell, they’d probably stink less if they did.
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You know what they say…
When in Paris,
Run away.
J’ai trouvé le français !
Looks like French man has a tactic with tourists.
“No me toques, Frog.”
Plot twist: it was a wax pen.
