What a wild time to be alive

    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
      5·
      12 days ago

      i think you use “emigrating” when leaving their homes behind, but here it is part of the joke that they no longer see the US as their home. instead, they’re seeing europe/whatever other country as their new “home”, so they’re immigrating.

      • Bloomcole@lemm.ee
        76·
        12 days ago

        Do you imagine some kind of deeper meaning wrapped in a joke in it?
        The more likely explanation is that plenty Americans have poor literacy.
        Even plenty of ‘their’ ‘there’ mistakes. Elemental English.

    • MisterFrog@lemmy.world
      95·
      12 days ago

      Just my two cents, not having a go at you:

      This is why I’m a pragmatic prescriptivist, I want people to follow norms for ease of communication, unless their innovation fills a need/fixes something about the language.

      Stupid english with its stupid verbs.

      We’ve got “to” and “from” why do we need to have two differently spelt verbs for basically the same thing.

      Sure, you could argue that you can just say “they are emigrating” to imply people are leaving the country permanently, but let’s be honest, not providing any other context it’s practically unheard of. You’ll at least be saying where they currently are, came from, or going to, unless you’re being very abstract. Even then, you couls say “the migrants were immigrating” to be very vague about it. Both immigrating and emigrating involve moving, wtf is the point?

      I’m glad few people “properly” use “emigrate” these days. Let’s kill it, it’s redundant!

      I may have even gotten the difference wrong, but I’m not gonna look it up since I don’t want to use it anyway haha

      • Illecors@lemmy.cafeEnglish
        71·
        12 days ago

        I, personally, like a language being rich. Nothing wrong with not knowing all the ins and outs, but calling for simplification on what is already an very simple language is odd.

        • MisterFrog@lemmy.world
          4·
          12 days ago

          I wouldn’t call English simple haha

          To me the richness comes from interesting cultural quirks of why we say something, but I’m not really feeling that for emigrate, personally, so would prefer we speed up it being forgotten. Words falling out of use is very common, so I’m happy to lose ones that are annoying

          I should also specify, I’m just getting into the spirit of enjoyable nitpicking, also

      • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee
        4·
        12 days ago

        I think there’s a richness in being able to shift or emphasize perspective like that. And a poetry, for want of a better word, that comes with that.

        ‘Coming’ and ‘going’ do the same shift. “I’m coming to Europe; they’re coming from Europe,” feels just a bit stilted to me, though that’s subjective I suppose.

        If you want to get rid of immigrate Vs emigrate, maybe we just talk about ‘migrate’.

        And scrap ‘coming’ and ‘going’ for ‘moving’.

    • papalonian@lemmy.world
      25·
      13 days ago

      Because when you’re the one who “came up” with it, it’s usually a pretty sweet ride, provided you can weather the revolutions and stuff.

      • parody@lemmings.world
        7·
        13 days ago

        Ooooh sorry weathering revolutions isn’t part of our Fascism ‘25 package - that was extra :-/

        Would you be interested in our selection of neck guards?

    • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
      164·
      13 days ago

      I blame the French, before them damned near every Germanic society had a broadly democratic tribal or clan based system. Then the French combined that with Roman autocratic systems and somehow created an early version of Divine right of kings and a form of proto absolutism. Yes I am glossing over a tonne of shit but compare the French estates to the clusterfuck that was the Holy Roman Diet and it’s like comparing a member of the English Royal guard to a Somalian pirate.

          • iheartneopets@lemm.ee
            2·
            12 days ago

            Well, if you really wanna get into it, I blame the Romans. It was their colonialism and influence that made the region of the Franks what it was culturally. Then their collapse created a power vacuum allowing this remnant territory to rise and fill it, wanting to be its own new Rome (like almost every other empire that arose after that). And on and on until today. Colonialism and imperialism is a cancer that has been growing and growing through the ages to get us to where we are today

    • sillyplasm@lemm.eeEnglish
      21·
      12 days ago

      what ever happened to respecting your fellow humans and treating them as people?

    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
      12·
      12 days ago

      i have come to the conclusion that there is a god and a heaven, alright, but it’s a cruel place that i would never ever ever want to go to. ever

      edit: oh yeah, what does that have to do with your comment? well, the christians are going to heaven alright, if you can interpret the american technocracy (or even mars) as “heaven” (by any stretch of the word)

      explanation: the christian idea of “heaven” is heavily based on platon’s “ideas”, which are described as “heavenly objects” (a.k.a abstractions), and platon called the collection of all ideas the “inter-net” for some reason, and modern IT is heavily modeled after it, with a purely abstract world ruling the world, more or less. there’s lots of articles how some technological platforms (such as meta, google) shaping what news we get and what we believe/think. thus it is a “techno-cracy”.

    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
      2·
      12 days ago

      wait isn’t there some christian story about exactly that … 🤔 something about some curse that is inherited and bans the people from living a good life or sth, i can’t remember. maybe that good life was symbolized as a garden, but i could be wrong

  • Hikuro-93@lemmy.worldEnglish
    357·
    13 days ago

    Europe accepts its sons and daughters of long ago. Specially the talented ones who contributed to empowering science in the US.

    Not the Drumpf family, tho. Those can stay there instead of returning to their roots in Germany. The last thing we want is a “Make Germany Great Again” movement - they’re already great right now, no need to fix what’s not broken, thank you.

    • iheartneopets@lemm.ee
      12·
      12 days ago

      I wish the first part were actually true, on the bureaucratic level. Sadly it is quite difficult to emigrate to the EU

    • Bloomcole@lemm.ee
      528·
      12 days ago

      How are they great?
      Their economy is going to shit, they have a massive right-wing party, are complete warmongers and supporters of genocide.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      11 days ago

      I mean, the cycle started with the implementation of capitalism. Italy was functionally feudalistic (particularly in the southern territories) until the mid-19th century, with state power relegated to a hodgepodge of principalities. It’s only really been a unified country since 1870 and lagged on industrialization until the Cold War Era, when the US Marshall Plan made it an industrial and shipping beachhead for NATO-bloc manufacturing and trade (as well as a military base to strike out at North Africa and the Middle East).

      The waves of Italian immigrants weren’t fleeing capitalism. They were fleeing the two World Wars and the industrial collapse of Europe. Americans, by contrast, won’t experience the same immediate socio-economic pressures to leave. So I suspect a lot of the reverse-migration we’ll see to Italy will be coming from an American wealthy middle class seeking to retire into a post-industrial retirement playground rather than an Italian underclass seeking gainful employment and safety from chronic civil wars and invasions.

      Italy is going to be more like Florida in the 1990s than New Jersey in the 1920s.

    • IceFoxX@lemm.ee
      212·
      11 days ago

      What would be the alternative? Socialism and thus the standstill of further development? It would have to be extremely state-regulated capitalism. But above all taxes! So on the rich. Democracies would have to be able to protect their own form of government… but they didn’t think about it when they were founded because everyone was happy about the positive outcome. So that our democracies are attacked from within. Above all, America needed to regulate tech companies more. Tax havens should be prevented, etc. Capitalism itself promotes further development. It just needs to be protected from abuse. Private individuals should never have too much money and therefore automatically have power.

        • IceFoxX@lemm.ee
          214·
          11 days ago

          If the state controls everything and resources etc. are distributed fairly, there is no competition.

          “Where capitalism promotes efficiency, socialism focuses on equality and solidarity, a redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor and the creation and maintenance of a level playing field”

          Equality excludes the whole thing from the outset ( developing ). It would ultimately end in unequality.

          That’s why it would have to be ( now it’s getting funny ) socialist capitalism.

          Edit: State capitalism e.g. Scandinavia. Would you now say that the people there are in a bad way?

          • kaaskop@feddit.nl
            121·
            11 days ago

            Please note that there is a distinct difference between socialism and communism. You seem to be describing communism. Within a socialistic system there is still the concept of rich and poor and there is still the ability to create a better life through the effort of development. This specifically is the key distinction between socialism and capitalism.

            So what you’re calling “socialist capitalism” turns out (funnily enough) to be just socialism which is in turn a capitalistic communism. :)

            • IceFoxX@lemm.ee
              11·
              11 days ago

              Btw, I have listed the reasons why things are currently failing in the West.

              It would have to be extremely state-regulated capitalism (because of people like Musk,Bezos,Zuckerberg etc for example).

              But above all: taxes! So on the rich. (So that taxes are distributed more fairly and, above all, the working class is relieved. In other words, taxes should go up and not down.
              So that knowledge is not poached from friendly countries through low taxes. So that the state itself earns financially, which could ultimately be distributed fairly)

              Democracies should be able to protect their own form of government… but they didn’t think about that when they were founded because everyone was happy about the positive outcome. So our democracies are under attack from within. ( So that the far right or far left can’t take over. Or can be destabilized by external influences. )

              Above all, America should regulate tech companies more. ( No spying on citizens and such. No mass theft of intellectual property etc )

              Tax havens should be prevented, etc( Because it enables tax evasion and other negative effects)

              It just needs to be protected from abuse. Private individuals should never have too much money and therefore automatically power. ( Well, we can see the result if it is not protected in America. )

              For example, I didn’t say a word about citizens holding power over the state. (Which of course should be the case)

  • Enzy@lemm.ee
    91·
    11 days ago

    Welcome to the fuck america club

    Leave your guns at the door

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    11 days ago

    I was imaging this meme just last week, while my wife finished renewing her Italian passport and stuffing a bugout bag full of Euros.

    • Fontasia@feddit.nl
      20·
      12 days ago

      “The belief that America stands for an idea beyond blood and soil makes its identity fragile, because an idea lives in people’s minds, where it is subject to lies, hatred, ignorance, despair, even extinction. But for this very reason, as long as enough Americans continue to believe in the idea with enough conviction to stick it out here and fight, the country that you and I once lived in will still exist for the generation after us.”

      The belief that a country should exist purely for nostalgic purposes is the kind of bullshit that got us here in the first place. Countries started existing so that a monach could control resources and worker productivity. Now they are used as a default identity for people to try and connect on some level. If you don’t treat the identity as fragile, sure it can never ‘die’, but it can’t improve or change either.

      • Gordon Calhoun@lemmy.world
        3·
        12 days ago

        I want to leave to ensure the safety of those closest to me.

        But I also want to stay and fight like hell.

        Unfortunately, even if the immediate fascism were beaten back, I have very little faith in anything but capitochristofascism’s resolve to continue to be absolutely shitty, and general American ignoarrogance to reign supreme, for the rest of my life.

  • Shardikprime@lemmy.world
    367·
    12 days ago

    The type of people who think like this, believe wholeheartedly that everything that doesn’t conform to their mindset is fascism/Nazism/[insert -ism you don’t like here]

    You might not like it, but that’s how it is

    Thinking like this will make you find fascism wherever you go. You’ll find it in Gaza, in Iran , Japan, Greenland. You will find it in your parents , your neighbor, your kids, street signs, China, in Bernie Sanders office, chatting with Obama, having dinner with Kamala, in opera, with monks, inside the ISS, even fucking Antarctica.

    Make yourself a favor and maybe think for a while before leaving your country to poison others:

    “if everywhere I go smells like fascism, is it them? Or maybe, just maybe, is it me”?

    Do it before you see a mirror and find fascism in there too

    Edit: if downvotes were actual votes, you guys might have won the election lmao 🤣