No way this is real.
The waiter would have said “Non.”
… wouldn’t that be pronounced the same, though?
Non
Non is pronounced without a complete final n, but air diverts through the sinuses as if you did pronounce the n. Or even as if you said nōng, but didn’t finish saying the g.
Yes, it was joke. To those who don’t speak French, it just sounds like “no” with a French accent.
“No”, on the other han, does not sound like “non” to the French; they’re used to differentiating nasal versus non-nasal vowels.
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I am not a vegan but oat milk lattes are the best lattes. They are creamy, rich with flavor that’s perfectly aligned w the coffee, lower in calories & more sustainable than classic dairy.
Everyone should try them once at least.
I like oatmilk in general. Oatmilkshakes are also awesome and oatmilk is way better in cereal
Too many people tried soy milk or almond milk and it has unfortunately turned them away from dairy alternatives. Oatmilk leagues above all the rest.
Soy milk slays on protein though. If that’s important to you.
Definitely. Though I do quite like chocolate almond milk! I find almond milk tk be a tolerable alternative some of the times but ugh soymilk
I also didn’t like soy milk at first now I have it with cereal almost daily, so I guess it’s also getting used to the flavour.
Oat milk things out frozen drinks but I agree it’s delicious all the same.
I must keeping getting crap oatmilk. I always feel like it’s watery, and I shake it before pouring.
I also drink whole milk, and think anything under 2% might as well be water. Unless it’s a chocolate milk full of thickeners instead of just milk and chocolate.
I also get plain, because I don’t want added sugar.
Suggestions?
Oatly barista in the grey cartons is hands down the best IMO after trying loads of other brands. I get it at publix in the US or Tesco in the UK
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But Oatly has shitty additives
You have to go for the stuff with added fat - barista style - to get anything approaching decent.
A lot of brands make extra creamy versions that work better in coffee imo. Some sell a barista version which is also extra creamy and designed to steam well for lattes. Theyre more calorie dense though, so you kinda lose one of the main benefits. My favorite milk for lattes is ultra-filtered whole milk.
Mighty is the best brand I’ve tried by a margin, they do a barista one but for an all round milk replacement the whole m.lk is great. They use a blend of oat and pea though I think
Oaty brand oat milk.
They have some kind of special ingredient that keeps everything properly emulsified.
Warning it’s not cheap. I maybe buy a carton a week.
Starbucks gets watery oat milk I dunno
Just use whole milk.
I do.
But I have vegan and lactose intolerant family and friends. So I try to keep shelf stable options on hand for when they visit.
After they leave, I use what’s left so it’s not wasted, and would prefer an option that I like too.
Makes sense.
Maybe try cachew milk? It’s pretty tasty.
Yes! The moment I tried oatmilk I realized the nuttiness of the oat compliments the coffee bean aromas making it the superior milk for espresso drinks
Barista style oat milk is fantastic, froths so nicely.
I just bought one last week. Works well. Enjoyable but clearly different than whole milk.
Sticking to it for health.
For health reasons you might take it a step further one day, the unsweetened versions have a lot less fat and sugar in them. I got used to it after barista oat milk and now I prefer the more coffee-y taste of my coffee tbh
This is the real answer. The french aren’t the pretentious ones in this story, they’re the plebs who don’t know any better haha
(All in good fun)
No, they just have way better milk than us
I agree. My preference goes oat then whole. I like the nuttiness that the oat milk adds. Local café was doing a monthly special, and they’re the best in the county so I tried it. It became my regular order.
I just made a smoothie with a frozen berry blend I got from Costco. Yep, I used oatmilk
I don’t think this story/tweet is real. Or maybe just the misunderstanding that the restaurant didn’t have oat milk on hand.
Totally agreed that oat milk superior flavor for many different applications. Milk from a tiyty just ain’t it for smoothies and stuff. I don’t make any smoothies with animal milk.
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We wanted to order pizza and I told my girlfriend (who is Italian) that I might order Pizza Hawaii. Her reflexes kicked in and she bit me.
So tasty that she had to get at the residuals
This does qualify as blasphemy.
Cook carbonara with cream next
I like Pizza Hawaii, that doesn’t mean I’m a war criminal.
Is calling it Pizza Hawaii new? Seen it three times in this thread but I’ve never seen it anywhere before. Usually people just say Hawaiian pizza. Which is the inferior version of pineapple on Pizza by the way.
I don’t know. I actually never heard of Hawaiian Pizza before.
Make it with powdered eggs and American bacon to capture the pure, traditional heritage of the dish.
I’m pretty sure the Italians would take the war criminal over you.
Source: food debates with Italian friends
I’m curious what part of the world you’re from? I’ve never seen it phrased as “Pizza Hawaii” and it hits my brain like a wall just the same as hearing “Pizza Margarita”.
Oh my Gucciness, my mom did that while I was growing up. I learned how to get my carbonara on when I moved to Europe. Damn, I love the traditional carbonara.
Now go to Rome and get it there. I really miss proper carbonara and Amatriciana after moving from Rome to northern Italy.
My bro is legit visiting Rome this week. Will demand he do this. Thanks!
Tell him to not go to restaurants within sight of a famous monument and never if there is someone in the street convincing people to come in.
Or if you want a concrete recommendation, go to Zi Umberto in Trastevere for awesome Roman peasant food. But you need to book.
Rn he and his two young daughters are at Piazza Navona. Gimme the action list, youItaliansz.
Would you suggest I try the Bucatini Amatriciana at Zi Umberto?
Absolutely. And if they have the zucchini flowers for starter. And it’s all good, really.
I can’t remember if Artichokes are in season… I think I saw some at the market yesterday, but if they are then the Romans do great things with them. Both Roman and Jewish style.
Curious, is their preference guanciale o pancetta? I tried both, and guanciale is my favorite.
guanciale, 100%.
If you want to piss off an italian make carbonara with cream and pancetta
The memes about this with Italians have made me never want to even so much as converse with an Italian about food. No, there’s no right way to do anything, there’s just ways that work and ways that don’t and being an asshole (sorry I’ve seen a bunch of obnoxious TikToks) doesn’t make you more right, it just makes you more insufferable. There was one particular series of shorts that kept popping up for me with an Italian guy and his American girlfriend that always revolved around him getting angry at her cooking and every single time I wanted to be able to punch that chode in his Adam’s apple repeatedly until he could never speak again.
Shes a keeper.
Well yeah, nobody calls it that. It’s Hawaiian Pizza.
“Nobody”
Is it just in Germany then?
I am almost sure it’s also in Italy. But gf is sleeping. Can’t ask.
Edit: Ok, I woke her up and it’s a bit more complicated. You usually say things like Pizza con “ingredient” or Pizza alla “stuff”. There are some pizzas that a famous and these are called Pizza “Name”. So, if the country of Italy ever would accept the existence of Pizza Hawaii, it would be called that.
To be fair, Italian pizza is a separate beast entirely, essentially a completely different food.
True.
Once in Italy my wife tried ordering a pizza with chicken and they just straight up laughed at her and said ‘Not in Italy!’, but like… not in a mean way.
Now show her this (hint: top-left corner).
I’m a french vegetarian living in France after living 6 years in Scotland, France is years behind on the diet inclusion issue, I was shocked how difficult it was to find a place to eat out in Paris, way too many cafe/restaurant/etc… gets defensive and refuse to serve you if you don’t have the “historical diet” (whatever that means) of france, and a lot of them don’t offer any “common alternative diet” options on the menu. And it’s not better outside of Paris.
Then of course there are some great places that try to include everyone regardless of their diet, and they are increasing in numbers, but they are still the exception rather than the norm which is a shame.
If you ever goes in Paris and looking for a fully vegetarian classy restaurant, I recommand “Polichinelle”, it’s a bit on the expensive side (~50 euro/person), but it’s high level cuisine, and for a special occasion it’s really worth it.
Italy is just as bad with this kind of stuff, at least in my experience. I’m not even vegan or vegetarian, but I saw it happen a lot when I was there. They had the same kind of “historical diet” excuse, and I’m sitting here thinking “you fuckers didn’t even get tomatoes until the 16th century and now you’re acting like you invented them.”
I hate food purists so much.
Not many vegan options around, but one place in Sorrento made me the best vegan pizza I ever had when I asked (there was nothing vegan on the menu). No vegan cheese necessary, I think it was the crust and oil that made it. Got bored of the same tomato pasta item every night at the hotel though.
One of the most basic pizza, the marinara (tomato, oil, garlic, oregano) is technically vegan and any pizzeria worth its name will have it on the menu.
Interesting, thanks. The Sorrento place was a cafe so they didn’t specialise in pizza, but it sure was good. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a marinara pizza marked vegan here in Oz. They probably all use bulk garlic sauce bottles with milk as ingredient.
I’m guessing you’re not in Melbourne then, but Red Sparrow is a fully vegan pizza restaurant with a few locations there. Very good, from what I’ve heard.
Never been to Italy, but I expected it would be even worse over there, Italians are often very invested in their opinion about food😄 some of my Italian friends can spend the whole meal debating about what they are eating
Pasta too lol Cut it with the knife and you get to eat for free… until they kick you out
All of Europe is highly anti veg. As it should be.
You’ll be hard-pressed to find a German restaurant without a good choice of vegetarian options and at least some vegan ones. Germany is about 2% vegan, 10% ovo-lacto-vegetarian, and 55% flexitarian. That’s 67% of the population having an active look at those choices and you’d be very out of place with “if there’s no meat it’s not food” comments. You just insulted a huge number of quite cherished traditional dishes.
Go on, go, go to Swabia and say that Käsespätzle are not food. I’m waiting. They’ll probably lock you into a madhouse.
A French person decrying the lack of quality food in Paris in comparison to Scotland. British cuisine is truly amazing.
Haha, Indeed the irony is at its maximum. Although, I think haggis was pretty good (even the vegetarian version)
While I’m talking about it, have you guys seen the documentaries about wild haggis ? https://youtu.be/tvLXG4_SoO4
The French are actually quite conservative in many ways.
That’s probably the most polite barista in Paris. I’d have expected a tirade, complete with arm waving and rude gestures.
They also seem to operate under the misunderstanding that the French can make coffee. Here in Italy we know that to be false.
Pwffft Italy know about coffee?
Signed, A Brazilian
You certainly make a lot of the coffee but all the technology for brewing it comes from Italy. Anyway, there is lots of credit to spread around. It’s just that the French don’t get any of it.
Signed, Not an Italian
That’s true, and you should know I do coffee drip. So I’m not into that tech, which means I’m doubling down
Honestly not trolling today
Filtered coffee for the win
Half the French I know have a Bialetti stove top coffee machine. Sure, the french typically buy ground beans and they tend to prefer a dark roast. But they still use Italian technology.
To be fair, most of the dishes people like from France are imported by some king or another. Traditional French food kinda sucks, unless you really like stew.
Guillotine!
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That is the standard response in France, I’m surprise that waiter was so polite about it.
So I guess, fuck lactose intolerant, amiright?
“If yeu cannot drink le milk, don’t order le cafe’ with le milk.”
but I’m le tired
well take a nap. Then don’t order the coffee with ze milk!
Fuckin kangaroos.
Paradox of tolerance: if we allow the lactose intolerant to exist amongst us, their intolerance will not tolerate our tolerationess. First they came for the milk, and I said nothing for I was not a cow…
Then they came for the guns and I said nothing because I’m not a pig…
Not sure if that’s a thing in France, but alternatively to plant milk for lactose intolerant
- Lactose-free milk (there are versions with lactose removed instead of broken down, that aren’t sweet and taste basically the same as normal milk)
- Lactase enzyme taken together with the coffee, to break lactose down
I don’t really see plant milk as the lactose-intolerant variant, but a vegan option, but that might just be due to the fact Finland has lactose-free milk available as an option basically everywhere as milk is such an important part of the coffee culture.
I think if you’d rank all European countries according to how important milk is in their coffee culture, France might be at the bottom. Although I’m not sure about south-eastern countries regarding this, they might score low too.
Yep, I also think the French in general don’t really appreciate Finnish coffee culture, if their presidents reaction is anything to go by. Still one of my favourite pictures.
Nice, was this in Finland?
Yep, I think it’s from Helsinki market square – and not sure if this needs to be said but not taken by me 😅
Yes.
I love France they take food and tradition seriously while at the same time their own government is afraid off them.
If I were a government, I’d be afraid of French traditions, too.
All governments should be afraid of their people. The French ae doing something right.
In Italy, at “L’Isola della Pizza” in Rome, I asked the guy if I could get a pizza with salami, pepperoni, and sausage, and the guy was like “ah, American style!”
Salami, pepperoni and sausage? What makes the first 2 not sausage and what is in your definition pure sausage?
The honest answer is this: Salami (sliced salami), pepperoni (sliced spicy salami), and sausage (pre-cooked fennel-flavored uncased/crumbled pork sausage).
In the US, “sausage” tends to generically refer to uncured, fresh, or raw sausages, often really meaning “ground meat mixed with herbs and spices sometimes in a tube or casing (but not always).”
Americans came up with the word hot dog then decided sausage should now mostly mean loose ground pork.
Is it like the Italian American “shrimp scampi” where it’s just the words for shrimp in two different languages? My understanding is that “salami” is just the Italian word for cured sausage.
Also, “pepperoni” is an Italian American word for a spicy salami that contains peppers, so it’s just a type.
lmao, it just keeps going deeper.
Chai tea 🤦♂️
So he actually asked for sausage, cured sausage and spicy cured sausage? Whatever the sausage may be?
Peperoni in Italian refers peper normally bell peppers, spicy chilly is normally peperoncino.
I guess the waiter understood he meant spicy salame. Also in Italian it is salame not salami.
I’ll have the spam, spam eggs and spam.
In Italy, pepperoni would be peppers then wouldn’t it?
In Italian, ‘peperoni’ are bell peppers – not necessarily bulbous or large, but definitely with zero to negligible heat. Chillis are ‘peperoncino’.
That’s what I said, thanks!
Pepperoni is what gave it away
Ah, the french.
Don’t know where europe would be without them.
More nobles and fewer Haussman style buildings, for a start.
Run by lords
The French are right. When you have fabled cuisine, lauded all over the world as the gold standard… you get resistant to change. And rightfully so.
Putain, non, is indeed the proper response to said question.
I love France and all, but let’s not pretend they have good coffee culture. What passes for cappuccino there… The horrors I’ve seen.
Coffee lovers and cappuccino are mutually exclusive terms IMHO :D.
Italy entered the chat…
It’s crazy, food is top notch, or what you pay for it, but coffee is always the french 3/4. So not very good.
To be fair, they invented it and the Italians refined the espresso in 1961 so.
Part of why it’s relatively bad is because they still make it the same way as they did back then
Sure, but the “third wave” coffee is even worse IMO.
Is that foamy lattes w syrup?
Nah, the “hipster espresso” I’d call it. Usually tastes sour, "but that’s normal, not everyone can appreciate all the ‘flavours’ "
Ah, I am guilty of liking that. But I do think it is a very different taste than regular dark roasted chocolaty coffee and they should suprise you with a funky light-roasted one as their standard bean. Those are more suited for specialty places where they have multiple grinders with multiple beans.
Sure no problemo ! But why can’t they have an espresso that at least is somewhat like a real Italian one …
There is plenty of good coffee in Paris, but you need to go to typically smaller places where they only make that.
Although I don’t drink milk much anymore I wouldn’t know if the cappuccino they make is good.
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Well it depends. When it’s a decent restaurant, some vegetarian and vegan options would be nice.
But the big issue is the terror vegans demanding on the spot a vegan option when going to a grill room or steak house. Like, wtf did you expect.
My take usually, as a vegan, is call the restaurant a few days in advance (if it is planned like a family dinner or work thing) and ask if they can make me something vegan. If not, no problem, I will deal with it. They are always happy to make me something and are happy with me asking in advance so the chef has time to prepare. But I won’t even bother asking when it’s a business completely based on meat. Like you said, don’t ask for meat at a vegan venue. Goes both ways.
But when I go somewhere for dinner with friends who are vegan or have no issues with vegan food, we usually go to a vegan place or somewhere with a partial vegan menu.
But in the case of the original post, if you don’t like coffee, just order something else in France. They don’t mind if you order water or anything. Just don’t order coffee and ruin it with milk, real or fake. A latte is just making fun of French culture. Or added water, ‘Americano’ is a term invented during the second world war to make fun of Americans who are too pussy to drink coffee like you should.
i sometimes work with data from foodchains and it turns out they sell more if they have a vegan and vegetarian option. yet hardly anyone buys any of those products - customers just want to feel inclusive.
if vegan food would be good the vegans should easily be able to run restaurants. but it is just in some hip spots where ppl actually consune the vegan food.
so we asked a few hundred in a webform i had to make and 99.9% said they like that vegan is an option but ordered meat. i think the question was something like why vegan food was part of their reasoning to come here in the first place and most wrote to not exclude workbuddies.
as long as foods just immitate other food to be able to sell it (e.g. vegan doner or burgers) I wont eat it. if it is a good vegan dish…go.
But the big issue is the terror vegans demanding on the spot a vegan option when going to a grill room or steak house.
This has ≈never happened.
Latte is an Italian drink. In France it’s café au lait (or café crème in the south), which is generally a breakfast drink, served in a bowl-like cup.
Or go to Starbucks or McDonald’s, plenty of those in France too0
Offering at least one option that don’t include factory farmed food, that caused a lot of animal suffering in it’s production, should be the bare minimum.
“When I specifically go to a restaurant run by animal lovers and I can’t even get any dead animals from them, you shouldn’t be able to get food that didn’t harm animals in any restaurant!”
Wow. I guess there really are people who want to make it even harder to avoid causing cruelty, for no reason… Just why?
Reactionnary are just evil
Food snobs might be one of my least favorite types of humans there are. The minute I hear/see someone start talking about how they would never eat that or whatever other bullshit, is almost like I’m hearing them start talking about the good things Trump is doing for everyone. Let’s never cross paths again, you’re insufferable.
Either that, or oat milk isn’t on the menu and he didn’t have any.
I’m also referring to this thread.
Then that is a failure on the business. It is a very common request.
It’s only a failure if they wanted to do that kind of business. If I open an Italian restaurant and someone orders Thai, did I fail?
“Do you have eggs? Yes. Do you have noodles? Yes. Do you have curry paste? Yes. Do you…”
~ worst customer you will ever meet
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It’s not common at all.
“At all”?
In the year 2024, Oatly had annual revenue of $823.67M with 5.15% growth. Oatly had revenue of $214.32M in the quarter ending December 31, 2024, with 4.99% growth.
Oatly’s key markets are Sweden, Germany and the United Kingdom. The company’s products were available in 60,000 retail stores and 32,200 coffee shops around the world as of 31 December 2020.
Do you really think that Sweden, Germany and UK is all the world there is? I’ve got a surprise for you.
I get the sneaking suspicion you enjoy being contrarian for contradictions sake.
In this thread, most of both the French and the vegans are insufferable. I like a nice strong black coffee and I don’t eat a lot of meat, but there’s a reason I don’t really want to go back to Paris or to half of the vegan restaurants I try.
I mean, it really depends on their delivery.
If they’re acting like it somehow un-stinks their shit, ok fuck off.
However, there are certain foods that everyone loves that I simply cannot stand. Cake, is a big one. I will actively seek against eating cake. It frequently leaves me feeling gross, especially on an empty stomach. I do not see it as good. I can understand someone speaking about food like that.
Every morning: A double-shot espresso with a small’ish blob of sweetened condensed milk, a few drops of vanilla extract and a teaspoon of brown sugar.
Heaven.
Why is it in snow? Too hot for you?
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I’m just teasing you. :)
BTW, love the mug, I used to live near Seattle. :)
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Is this ice coffee or are you trying to break your mug?
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Good to hear. It is good looking. You should be careful though. A few second can be enough.
How do you keep your condensed milk from hardening between servings?
In my area they come in tin cans, so there’s too much to use it all up before it starts to thicken
I’d try cellophane with a rubber band on top of the can, stored in the fridge, take it out an hour before you want to use it, but that’s need some refinement
Could you portion and freeze it? Is an ice cube’s worth too much? This sounds amazing and I want to do it ♥️
i mean if you only need a ml they make ml ice cube trays
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Can you get it in the metal toothpaste tubes?
Never heard of that before, is that a thing in your area?
Not that I condone nestle: https://www.winc.com.au/main-catalogue-productdetail/nestle-sweetened-condensed-milk-tube-170g-carton-12/25204849
Does anyone have alternative brands to recommend? Tube or not.
