This is who Superman was. A literal (illegal) alien saving humans and, despite his full ability to completely take over the world, trying to be a good human. People can’t seem to handle that.
Just reinforces my belief that if Jesus were to arrive today they’d throw him in a cage and then disappear him to a prison on foreign soil with no trial.
So basically exactly what the story said the romans did.
And yet we see ourselves as smarter than those who came before us.
The funniest thing is that the superhero they have a problem with is Superman.
If it were Batman, that would be different. Batman isn’t a pure-hearted hero, he’s a more complex character. If it had been someone in the X-Men, or pretty much any Avenger other than Captain America, there would be room for a discussion.
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it’s basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
Absolutely.
I know people can call superman boring, but to me what makes him even more amazing is that he has enough power to basically dominate everyone… But he doesn’t, he always chooses to do the right thing and tries to give people a second chance.
It’s part of the reason Zach Schneider’s Superman sucked balls, because they tried to make him some dark edge lord that literally kills in the first fucking movie.
Supes is the last hero that remains as some sort of beacon of hope and fairness, which naturally goes against the fascist mindset.
A red hatter cannot comprehend having power and not using it to subjugate or enforce your will. It simply does not compute in their lead infested brains.
I think it’s a challenge to make superman interesting because he’s both so powerful and so good. That’s why, when I read / watch DC stuff, I like it when he’s a side character, not the main character. I think Captain America is the Marvel universe’s equivalent of Superman in terms of personality / attitude. But, he doesn’t have anywhere near Superman’s power, which is why it’s easier to write interesting stories with him.
You’re completely right that that’s the mindblowing part of Superman – that he has all this power, but he doesn’t use it to reshape the world. Instead, he saves people from dying, whenever he can. And, he stops people from hurting other people.
I think a lot of the conservative mindset is that there are people who are supposed to be at the top, and people who are supposed to be at the bottom. If you’re at the top, it’s because you deserve to be there. If you deserve to be there, you have the right to impose your will on the people below you. Superman is undeniably at the top in terms of power, but he refuses to wield his power. That doesn’t make sense if your world view is that might is right.
they would want superman to be like, DARKSEID, which is undoublty stronger than he is , or any of the other new GODs, or even trigon.
they would like viltrumites from the invicible universe then, they are just a nazi version of superman, but without sun enhancements or weakness to kyrptonite.
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it’s basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
Right, the main complaint is that he’s so perfect it’s boring.
And also that he has a pretty Western/USA centric sense of morality, which you think Western chauvinists like conservatives would eat right up.
Personally i like stories where he strugless more with how yo use his powers without becoming a despot.
Its so intresting tought experiment how much some one who is basically a god should intervine before it is too much.
At what point enforcing law becomes tyranny.
Well, except he’s a journalist and an immigrant and he fought against the kkk.
Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero
Oh yeah, no flaws, no notes
The guy on the fence
has a little kryptonite on his backis a nazi so he deserves it
It’s for the greater good.
I feel like this might need some context.
The biggest super hero fan I know said that he doesn’t like Superman. Confused by this I asked him why, and he had a pretty good point.
His reason was that, Superman generally isn’t physically challenged. In most cases the only issue he faces is trying to figure out what is going on. After that, Superman wins every time. The only exception is with kryptonite. His literal only weakness.
So all plot lines boil down to a mystery, followed by some flashy scenes of Superman going Superman stuff, the end; with the only real exception being “bad guys have kryptonite”. It’s boring.
And you know what? He makes a good point.
None of this goes against anything you say, it’s just one person’s opinion (not even mine). The only reason I’m posting this is to say, it’s possible to dislike Superman content, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t imply someone is anti-Superman.
Food for thought.
It’s probably the main reason that there are games about pretty much every superhero going, but Superman always gets skipped. Superman 64 is the classic example, due to how dire it was. There’s been a few attempts since then, but nothing popular and the last was about 20 years ago.
The only real threat to Superman is to attack the things he cares about.
I kind of like the subversion of Superman type characters, like Dr Manhattan (what if Superman was indifferent?) or Homelander (what if Superman was a cunt?)
I forget the title but there was a Superman game on original Xbox that gave Metropolis a health bar, Not Superman.
Beating up bad guys, stopping disasters and completing missions helped the city survive. Getting hit meant a few seconds where you were inactive and the city might take more damage.
It was a pretty inspired idea honestly. I don’t think the game was excellent but good design choice.
Theater was the Superman Returns movie tie-in. The game wasn’t good, but the health system for the city was a neat idea, and the flying was AMAZING.
There’s never been a bad game with an element I enjoyed so much as Superman Returns and the flying.
Maybe a decent Superman game could emphasize the D in DC comics; and have you mostly play as Clark Kent trying to solve a mystery, occasionally using X-Ray vision or Super Speed to gather facts. A common challenge might be trying to get past a security desk to find answers without triggering any alarms or causing the guard harm.
Or they could do something like the One Punch Man game, where you can select Saitama and he will destroy anyone else without effort (unless it’s a mirror match, in which case it’s a normal fight). But, because it’s Saitama, he’s always running late.
So you pick teams of 3 and if Saitama is on yout team, you have to survive with just 2 until he gets there.
So a game where you play as someone else but superman can show up and stomp everything before going off to do something else could work. You’ve gotta survive until he gets there and maybe do things to get his attention or help resolve some other issue he’s dealing with.
Death of Superman, Reign of Supermen, Superman Allstar. There are many film/scenarios, where superman has to fight someone actually stronger than he is. Even in Justice League Dark Apokolips, he is captured first, and then injected with Kryptonite.
Your friend needs to watch/read more DC content.
Some more examples with spoilers below.
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He even got mind controlled by Poison Ivy once. Hell, in the new game, Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League, he is mind controlled by Brainiac, and Wonder Woman having Kryptonite didn’t protect her from Superman.
Superman has also done questionable things, even without being mind controlled, like in Batman The Dark Knight Returns Part 2, it is implied that he ripped out one arm of Oliver Queen, aka, Green Arrow, who was also member of Justice League, because the government of USA wanted to stop vigilantes. Then he also almost killed Batman, after being almost killed by Batman.
I get what you’re saying. The person in question knew more about the original source material than I ever have, and I’m just relaying their opinion.
I’m usually entertained by Superman stories, personally. They might be boring, they might be woke, they might be a million things, but as long as I find them entertaining, then I’ll keep watching.
I think power on that scale gets harder to parse, a little bit like Dragonball Z fights. Many of Goku’s adversaries are capable of destroying whole planets, which makes anything else that happens in a season feel insignificant.
Batman is just a rich guy playing edgy superhero. In batman the villians are the stars.
Peak human and “the greatest detective” of all time. Also with prep, basically unbeatable. Rich guy comes in with the gadgets and cave.
The best superpower is plot armor and Batman has so much he can fight people that move faster than light.
Even in-universe they call him boy scout lol
I was anti-superman for a long ass time. Currently, I’ve grown more found of the character but not because of some “woke” or some bullshit MAGA male ego.
Superman is all powerful. Too powerful, IMO. When they finally killed Superman off with Doomsday, as I a kid…I rejoiced! Told my YMCA camp counselors it was a great day.
Sadly, when they brought his ass back from the dead, like some DC Jesus. I was highly disappointed. Even though everyone else was so excited to see his return.
I like the character more now and enjoyed the movie quite a bit. Just some childhood hate still stirs. Would love to see some Marvel characters go toe to toe with him on screen.
Just verification that they know their views are despicable at some level, even if they refuse to admit it to themselves.
A not insignificant factor in breaking the early kkk was Superman beating the living shit out of dudes in robes for awhile. They’re just mad it worked twice.
and/or they looj at lex and worship him for all the wrong reasons.
This is not normal. It’s ok to have things like a right wing and a left wing, a conservative side and a liberal side, so to speak. But it’s not ok for the right wing to be any further right than, say, Bernie Sanders.
Im so glad Im not American. It must be fucking exhausting keeping this dumb as fuck culture war going.
Conservative culture creates whiney little bitch-made motherfuckers that have no meaning in their lives beyond clinging to imaginary grievances. The state of the world would be marginally better if we all learned to stop giving them attention.
Because “woke”/liberal/left/PC mob/etc arent the exact same thing just coming from the other side? For every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter do the same thing. Winding everyone up.
One side is actively building a fascist state. The other is not. Sit down.
Sit down/shut up… spoken like a true fascist. I mean, you all could have had Bernie in 2016, and the world would never know what a Trump presidency looks like. I wonder what happened there… In 2020, you could had any one of the over a dozen democratic nominees who had a free health care plan for the US. But you ended up with ONE old as fuck dude who wasnt interested in it. I wonder why… And then in 2024, instead of keeping on going with the clearly far too fucking old dude, or binning him much earlier, he got kicked out, and some chick that was so not good enough that her healthcare plan was actually laughed at. And then just last December, when AOC was nailed on for a committee seat, that same fucking ghoul, came out of the shadows to make sure that some old as fuck guy with fucking cancer, got the seat instead. Thats right, the party you think is so fucking amazing, choose a 75 year old man with cancer, over a 35 year old woman in her prime… I wonder fucking why…
You lot, youre so fucking blinded by the rot that tells you what to do and what to think, that you never consider that its the whole system thats fucked, and youre all just being pitted against each other so you dont notice.
Oh, and the 75 year old man with cancer? Dead. 4 fucking months he lasted, and guess who STILL doesnt have the committee seat…
You sit the fuck down, and open your fucking eyes. All of you.
why don’t you tell us how you really feel
How I really feel is that because of people like you, and every other culture war weirdo, is why we have Trump in the first place. You all got the America you deserve. Just a shame its other people paying the price for it. But Im sure you’ll be OK, youve got your worthless internet points…
Americans not understanding other countries exist, an exhibit:
Both sides are not the same dingus
Funny, “they” same the same thing. Youre all balls deep in this shit, and dont even want to fucking see it. Youd rather attack anyone who brings it up. Because god fucking forbid, you actually take responsibility abusers you have ALL become.
Somebody felt a little called out, huh?
Called out for what? Not a being someone so balls deep in the culture that I can I tell when the fucking algorithm is trying to get me to have really strong opinions about books I never read, movies I never watched, and games I never played? Unlike all you people, who think all this shit is just so fucking important that you think its ok to dehumanise a group of human beings. They do it, you do it. And you all make excuses for it. Hard fucking pass on being one of you lot, with hate so ingrained into your fucking soul.
Someone is really feeling the soapbox tonight
Name a few.
its the billionaires(class war) + a little troll farm is keeping us distracted from the class war. with the help right wing talking heads and fox.
For fucks sake, mate. How can you be so right, and so fucking blind at the same time???
I saw no lies in their comment?
I never said they lied, I said they were right and blind blind at the same time.
And what are they blind to (you know, the obvious question you were being asked)?
I guess your blind too, since Ive already answered that question multiple times. You must be the most simple of all the culture war weirdos.
Oh ok, then can you link that comment for me where you answer the question? Thx
How can you be such a stupid bumbling sycophantic fuck stick?
Two week old account, likely a bot
So if you dont agree with someone its a bot? Isnt it funny how people like you always go looking for the account so you attack the poster, instead of the post? Almost like hate is all you have. Which is real fucking sad, matey.
If thats what being normal is called these days, Ill wear that hat, cunty chops.
I can take a guess as to the hat you wear.
Feels like they’re arguing with themselves and begging for attention most of the time. It wouldn’t be a problem if corpo bitches didn’t listen to them.
If only they were arguing with themselves. The problem is everyone else who picks a side, and then jumps in arse first with a lot of opinions and very little information that isnt just headlines and buzzwords. People are so fucking angry all the time. And they blame the “other side” for it, not once considering that for every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter turning the screw just as hard in order to get likes, shares and subscribes.
Only the time of the online influencer became a thing, we were all fucked. Covid just accelerated to ludicrous speed, and now dark helmet is up all our asses.
Are you really comparing online influencers to actual governmental powers literally stripping our rights and caging people for having the wrong skin color in the name of theocratic fascism while supporting a literal “religious” genocide?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Who is doing that? Let me guess, the algorithm…
But no, I wasnt doing that. But its all part of the same problem. The culture wars. What youre seeing is the result of all of you running in to it blind as fuck. Thinking everything you see is truth, and everything they say is a lie. And they do the same with you. And theres always a really good reason.
Trump might be a cunt, but that doesnt mean theres not an army of influencers out there generating content to feed your outrage. I mean, look at say The Critical Drinker. Hes one dude, who reviews movies. Pushes the right wing side of things. Right? Not search the name on youtube, and youll find so many people chatting shit about what he said and did, just to get you to click and watch. And thats just one example.
If it demands a click, a like, a share, a subscribe, its content. Not fact. Treat it as such.
Meth is a helluva drug, eh?
Not anymore, it runs off AI. All you have to do is feed the data centers catastrophic amounts of fresh water.
Fellas, is it gay to value your loved ones and oppose violence?
Real talk: Hollywood didn’t go “woke” you just grew up to be a piece of shit.
The only problem I have with this is that it’s fiction.
If even Superman is being targeted, I don’t even want to know what Captain America is up to these days. Is he already the poster boy for ICE?
I’m asking because this isn’t fiction.
It would be pretty ironic if it was considering he socked Hitler in the jaw all those times
I mean, dirty cops love the Punisher, even though he’s canonically killed quite a few of them.
Hes canonically also said he hates cops that worship him because they are supposed to be the vanguard of law and order, not murderers. I think he then went on to kill those cops, to really just nail the whole point home.
Surprise surprise, it didn’t take.
conservatives like the co-opt one part of something they like discard another, much like with WOKE, punisher, and even christian-themed shows like supernatural.
And iirc hates it when cops use his image, as he only need to exist because cops are not upholding justice.
He has outlined this explicitly multiple times in every appearance he’s ever made in anything. It takes a dangerously fucking stupid individual to use him as a symbol for police or justice. The creator of The Punisher has even outlined this in real life too many times to mention.
At this point, my best guess is these guys just don’t actually read any Punisher material.
They don’t. And to top it off they probably make fun of people who do read comics. Like when republicans were up in arms about Jon Kent being bi screaming “THEY MADE SUPERMAN GAY!” Mother fuckers, you don’t even know who the fuck Jon Kent is.
and they dont realized boyz IS ALSO MAKING fun of them and trump at the same time, they like the authotarian nature of shows and media, plus straight white male, but dont realize its conservatives that these shows are parodying.
Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest, because the MAGA cultists somehow still see themselves as patriots.
Irony just doesn’t seem to be their thing, otherwise they probably wouldn’t have voted for the same rapist twice.
I take it you never saw CA: The Winter Soldier. There’s this whole bit about Steve and Nat getting hunted because they didn’t bow to the fascists.
I think it’s very interesting that CA: Winter Soldier was about the secret Nazis that have taken over the military and plan to kill everyone with their drones and facial recognition while CA: Brave New World (Order) is about how slavery is okay when the President General does it and loves his daughter or something
I’m kinda in the same boat. I don’t give a fuck about Superman or Bond or any other lone hero fighting against imaginary villains when real villains are running amok.
Even James Gunn seems to be aware of this FWIW
While I prefer to not get my political messaging from media productions, I’ll take what I can get. When was expressing good moral values determined to be a bad thing again? I forget.
When basic politeness started getting folks called out as “soy boys”.
About 2015?
May 2015, it was in May 2015.
Same folks who couldn’t handle a Bishop preaching mercy, either.
Didn’t the same movie have Hawkgirl pulling a Pinochet on the bad guy though? Weren’t they happy enough with that?
No you see because that guy was going to commit a genocide and these people like genocide
Love the post but am I missing some English education? Whinge? Lol
UK slang that roughly means whining or complaining.
Merriam-Webster defines it as “to complain fretfully.”
not just UK slang, used in America and Australia too - a bit less common than ‘whine’ which I’d say it’s a synonym of.
I see
I think it’s like whine but you’re making fun of the whining person more
Idk I’m not Bri’ish either
Sad but not unexpected.
They literally pointed it out in the movie.
Why does the new superman look like such an idiot? The uniform also looks kinda weird and like he’s wearing a red diaper over an I’ll fitting suite.
Bruh, Superman has always looked corny
Cavill’s one looked badass
