Seriously, Reddit has banned me several times for “breaking rules” but never tells me exactly what I did to deserve the ban, whereas I see that Lemmy will tell you in the modlog what you did.
The public modlog is one of the best features of Lemmy, IMO. When a Lemmy user appeals to the public of stuff mods/admins have done, we can call BS on them since we can read through stuff if they’ve been toxic, or if it’s the mods on a power-trip, or if it’s controversially borderline but reasonable discretion given the circumstances.
It also got rid of some toxic mods since their actions are also public.
I remember a Reddit powermod complaining about it after the big migration.
The mod log certainly helps, because it leaves a public trail of evidence for each ban, but it ultimately still depends on the server admin, because they are in charge of choosing their mods. But at least no one can ban you from the platform entirely, at worst you can get banned from an entire instance.
I didn’t know that. I think on reddit that would have creeped me out but I might not end up minding as much here.
You can call BS, sure, but nothing happens other than the mods/admins just banning you as well and/or covering their tracks better. It’s no better than reddit in actually preventing bullshit mod actions.
I grant you that it’s not perfect and it doesn’t prevent the abuse in the first place, but calling it out is important. There are still plenty of dramata about people DMing each other, but there’s less hearsay involved with the ban actions themselves. Appropriate suspicion is cast upon any mod that’s too vague with their ban comments or any user that doesn’t want to reveal their old banned username.
In terms of what users can do about mod abuse: There have been coordinated community shifts in response. A couple examples:
!onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone was created because the !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone mods wanted to forcibly move the community to !196@lemmy.world, but most users didn’t like that because BZ has more LBGTQ+ friendly policy. So the new community got set up with new mods.
!risa@startrek.website more or less moved or splintered to !tenforward@lemmy.world after some mod beefing and people getting banned for some rules even though it was a “no real rules” community.
Appropriate suspicion is cast upon any mod that’s too vague with their ban comments
One of the biggest issues here is, like reddit, most of the ban actions are shown as just being done by “mod”, not giving the specific mod account that did it.
Lemmy sucks at this, what are you on about?
It doesn’t tell you. You have to check manually, and the mod/admin can literally hide entries on the log if they wanted to (as well as not bother with typing out a reason or give a bs one).
I like Lemmy a lot, but the way you are informed of mod actions against you is absolute dogshit.
Because Lemmy is moderated by human beings.
i was just banned for “multiple violations” like 1min ago but they didn’t say what i did.
You know
I don’t
Oh. My bad
It’s not - it’s always up to the mod/admin’s discretion to tell you the reason why you were banned, and just like on reddit it’s usually bullshit that they won’t elaborate on.
I have been banned from multiple communities that I’ve never even so much as visited, let alone commented in or posted a topic on, with zero reason given. I’ve messaged the mod who did it (after they tried to hide it by having the log just say “mod” instead of their username, but there is a way to find out the actual mods name), and they just ignore the messages.
Think of Reddit as Cyberpunk or Mirror’s Edge: a world controlled by corporations instead of governments. A corporation only seeks its own interests and those of its shareholders. In that world, you’re nothing. There’s no transparency, and you don’t have any rights.
Lemmy instances on the other hand are run by the community and funded by donations. As such, the interests of the group as a whole prevail; they are not the interests of shareholders. To maintain cohesion, transparency is necessary, hence the modlog. Without transparency, cohesion and community cannot be maintained.
Reddit and Lemmy are two completely different worlds.
That’s very subjective.
Both platforms have the option for mods to tell you exactly what you did wrong; and on both, sometimes they utilize that option sometimes they don’t.
It’s entirely up to the individual mods in each specific community.
Lemmy does generally tend to be a bit more open; just because it’s a growing platform looking to expand its userbase, so the mods make a bit more of an effort to create peace/understanding vs just ban hammering any problems into oblivion.
Reddits grown big enough that it can throw its weight around a bit carelessly and have less worry of the userbase collapsing.
Smaller community size. It is a lot easier to moderate a small community instead of a large one.
It is also the reason why Reddit moderators fought the API ban. Reddit moderators had developed their own tech stack to help them moderate the very large subs. Lemmy isn’t at the size where those tools are needed.
I got banned from jai.lu, reason “reactionary”
🤷🏼♀️
aka, not a tankie
Yeah I guess so 😂
Jlailu is quite anti-tankie, we had some problems with them before, to the point of considering alternatives to Lemmy due to the ideology of the creators. As the average of Lemmy, it’s also no very tolerant with conservative ideas, but I have no idea what happened to this user in particular.
I was banned for using a slur. I was quoting a line from a movie (in quotation marks) in a post about that movie. It was so obviously a quote.
Was helping a commenter with his gun problem and wondered if there was something he could try “to retard the action”. Mods were great in that sub, but still almost caught ban. “We don’t use that word here.”
That’s pretty sad. It’s a word with various meanings, you can’t just ban the word outright. In the medical community we might say that a chemical can “retard growth of cells.” Properly used it’s a viable scientific term.
Yeah ₙₒ. The few times I’ve been banned or had my comment removed on reddit, I was told that it happened. On Lemmy, the reason listed is just as obscure and esoteric, but you have to seek it out yourself to even find out it happened
Yup. Rule 1, rule 3, troll, etc. I get that people would rather just write the rule or a simple explanation, but even some of the developers/mods use it to hide behind. Sometimes it seems like they stretch the rule as far as it’ll go to fit the need.
Give it time. Lemmy will become like Reddit given enough use base and time. It’s inevitable.
Well, they’ll sometimes tell you a reason you got a ban, but not the reason you got a ban.
Sometimes it’s a tactic to discourage escalation because it adds confusion.
There’s no central authority forcing things to be one way or the other, so to the extent that there are differences they are cultural in nature.
