damn, i gotta check out that place later. i wonder how MAGA will interact with the fediverse. like, how can you be anarchistic and bootlicking at the same time?
edit: this is hilarious.
bootlicking: check ✅️
“especially towards Americans”
well, at least this one i can understand. Now i have to think about What the Turtle said to Achill, somehow.
this gotta be a troll account. Why is there an “antifa” community on the https://maga.place/ instance?
Conservatives and their pussy-ass safe spaces.
Aaaand blocked. Thanks for the heads up!
I hate how maga people call themselves patriots. They are the most unamerican people ever. Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.
They are so immersed in the Conservative Propaganda Machine that they are literally living in an alternative reality from 2/3 of America, and the entire rest of the planet. They have created all these imaginary enemies attacking them on every front, and they think THEY are the ones living real life, and the rest of us side with their imaginary enemy.
And for some reason, the “intelligent” people that we have elected to protect us from such silliness, has decided to pretend that the MAGA nonsense, treason, and corruption, should be respected, and indulged.
They have created all these imaginary enemies attacking them on every front, and they think THEY are the ones living real life, and the rest of us side with their imaginary enemy.
I think that their ENEMY is actually poverty, i.e. many people struggle economically to make a living. This is due to the progress of time (automation leads to fewer jobs), but since time itself is invisible to many people, they try to find a material, outside enemy. And that’s why they blame (brown) immigration and queer people, because they appeared at the same time (in public, in the case of queer people) as the decline of living standards. So people see that and conflate correlation with causation, and blame these groups.
What’s important to me is whether people think about the situation and try to make good conclusions and proposals. What matters to me is whether MAGA actually tries to improve people’s living condition, instead of just mindlessly trying to hurt people. If they actually try to improve things, i can talk to them and find meaningful paths forward. If they’re just trying to hurt people, such a thing is impossible. So to me, it very much matters why they’re doing this. That’s what i’m researching, and also how to make meaningful plans that are in their interest that actually bring the country forward, instead of just creating more difficulties.
While I think that your first section makes a spectacularly excellent point that I had not considered before, your second section broke my brain.
Section one: Excellent point. As Trickle Down Economics spread, and life in America slowly declined as inflation/cost of living steadily outpaced incomes at an increasingly speed, the conservatives managed to blame the problems on liberals, minorities, and immigrants. I hadn’t looked at it that way, as an excuse why Trickle Down wasn’t fixing everything, but it is absolutely true.
Section 2: You are still trying to figure out if the MAGAs motivations are valid or not? Did you just become conscious a month ago? Because it has been apparent that MAGA is about nothing but money and control since they came on the scene a decade ago. Since then, they have become indelibly tied to treason, corruption, pedophilia, racism, misogyny, ignorance, stupidity, and virtuosic incompetence. Bad Faith is their core value.
And you are still doing your research? Dude…
I know this is a lot of text all at once, but while i’m here, let me tell you that i think that it’s important that there’s a heavy investment in human spaceflight and especially in settling mars.
I’m not saying that for some delusional reasons of science fiction, but because of the very real and very heavy economic advantages that it has. A massive spaceflight program would create a lot of jobs (if you invest $1b in spaceflight, where does the money go? it goes towards companies that try to build the rockets and necessary machinery, and a large part of that money goes towards jobs and construction materials, so the money continues to circulate in the country.)
And jobs are one of the two very important things that people need to live: food and jobs. Let me illustrate this:
As time progresses forward, we have more resources available (because our production systems work better, as they get improved all the time). but at the same time, a lot of production systems get automated and that reduces the number of jobs. Since people need jobs, new parts of the market need to be developed continuously.
What i’m saying is that if there’s a massive push towards spaceflight, somebody will have to build all of the necessary machinery, equipment, and such, and that would create a lot of jobs. It’s especially important for american people to have jobs, because americans are typically biased towards enterpreneurship and such, and that’s only possible when there’s business to be done. i think that’s a very important aspect of american society. also, martian human settlement would have the advantage that there’s real progress (new lands being explored) and that would also have some positive consequences.
they are literally living in an alternative reality
Hmm, reminds me of a country that starts with R that the current US president’s trying to save.
Yes I’m aware. I’m a trans person living in the deep south trying to escape. Fuck them.
Good luck to you, my friend. You have far more friends out here than you think. Look for us, we’ll help you.
They remain ‘united’ through fear. The most effective method to disarm them is to aggressively change their algorithms.
Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.
I beg to differ. The “american ideals” are to be economically prosperous, to open and run your own business, to take what is other’s (indian land), without regrets or looking back.
What i’m saying is that’s exactly what Trump thinks he’s doing. He’s not actually helping american businesses but he and his voters probably think that’s what he’s doing. So, the people themselves see it as very american.
see what you’re missing is that they stand for amerikkkan ideals
Most of America has disagreed with them for idk 150 years now.
Which is why the opposition should reclaim the flag. It has become a religious fetish to MAGA, and the Left has to take it back, and reintroduce it as a symbol of Freedom, not treason pedophilia, and corruption.
They do the same thing with religion, they try to grift it while being exactly the opposite of what Christians believed in the past. The church has always been against slavery, even in like the 1500s, they aren’t perfect, but they are way away from Nazis. In America protestant white Christians poll as the group that hates human rights the most. They are also probably the least likely to help the poor or volunteer in a hospital or something. It’s just another grift for their fascist bullshit. Hitler did the same thing. He pretended to care about whatever his crowd cared about. It was all about power and always was.
Is there a handy list somewhere to defed from? I don’t expect them to gain any traction unless they had an existing user base before, but would be nice to keep communal running tab.
Look at this way; Fediverse becomes even more popular
Does North Korea also have a fediverse instance ?
good thing they want to be free from the fediverse, because the fediverse should definitely free from this shit.
defederate fascists.
safe from the madness and censorship of the fediverse.
Sounds like they explicitly don’t want to federate. Unless it’s a parody site, I guess.
I remember when /r/the_Donald was just “parody”. Remember what happened there?
It’s entirely possible it’s a spectacularly successful trolling mission by one person.
Seriously, look how many people are up in arms about an instance with one user.
Yeah and why the big deal? I didn’t notice any signs saying the fediverse is only for lefties. I may not agree with conservatives but that doesn’t mean I think they should be excluded.
Why tolerate the intolerant? They can host whatever they want, but there’s no reason not to exclude them if they intend on bringing harm. Tbh the word “excluded” doesn’t really fit, exclusion would be like someone getting kicked out of a bar, defederating would be more like the bouncer not letting you in.
At the end of the day even if it’s gonna be defederated by every other instance, nobody’s gonna forbid them from starting their own “bar” like the one shown, which means they’re not really excluded from the fediverse.
Sure they should. Their entire online presence revolves around hurting people they dislike.Has there ever been a forum they contributed positively too?
Too many people give these jackholes the benefit of the doubt. “They don’t think trans people should exist. I don’t agree, but we have to hear them out” is a cowards line that puts their freedumb of speech above trans people’s right to exist.
I hope we’ve learned that lesson by now. Sure, wait for them to break a rule or whatever. Maybe this is just one guy and maybe it’s just going to sit there. But the moment they start talking—because we all know what they’re going to say—give them the bums’ rush.
Oh hey no I don’t think we have to hear them out. Especially not if they’re coming out with hate speech - that shit should always be smacked down hard. When they start doing that, we can defed the fuckers - but they haven’t done that yet.
Maybe I’m too soft, I just don’t wanna see lemmy turn into an echo chamber.
People don’t want to federate with MAGA-themed instances.
Bad faith answer, though. MAGA cunts aren’t “conservatives”, they are outright fascists.
If you want conservative, you’d have to look at people who just want the status quo. In other words, the more milquetoast Christian democrats.
The fediverse is for ‘everyone’, but that doesn’t mean we put up with fascists. It’s only for people who aren’t batshit insane. In other words, not for fascists and transphobes.
If you identify with conservatism, as in, going to Church, wanting a traditional family yourself – by all means you’re welcome! so long as that means you let others also have their own life that might not involve those, and don’t hate or question their lifestyle.
but if you’re a fascist or transphobe, then get the fuck out here and go touch grass
The good thing is that all sane instances can just defederate and we won’t have to deal with them. They can use the software all they want, and we can shut them out from our spaces all we want.
Maga is conservatism. Stop trying to separate the two, they are the same fucking thing.
Yeah I guess I failed to distinguish between maga and conservatives. I don’t want to see lemmy become an echo chamber, and usually you can disagree but debate with conservatives. Fascists, not so much. Don’t get me wrong, I think Nazis should be stomped online and out in the world - I just haven’t seen anything yet from this instance to justify that.
I actually feel kinda sorry for oldskool conservatives - I don’t agree with em, but they must feel politically homeless these days.
But yeah, bigots can fuck right off.
The US just can’t seem to get over the Confederacy.
I think we failed in the re-education process and should have adopted something similar to post WWII Germany and crushing out nazism.
Funny rule
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
And some are the equalest
Dang, I thought they would actually allow freedom of speech.
Oh well. The search continues.
Bye.
So being sexist towards a Canadian is a warn but being sexist towards an American is a ban?
I am not even maga or American but it’s nice to see freedom of speech and multiple different opinions in the left infested internet echo chamber
“I’m not even a nazi, but it sure is nice to see the fascists marching in the streets as a demonstration that free speech is truly alive and well”
There’s a reason so many comments of his were removed lmao. Try not to feed the trolls
Freedom of speech also includes the hate speech or Else, it’s just biased
Okay, and? The whole point of the fediverse is that everyone gets a voice. It’s good to see more people adopting it too, even conservatives. It’ll be less of an echo chamber that way.
Isn’t the point of fediverse to provide an alternative to big tech where anyone can create an instance with their own rules? Its not really about having to be subject to everyones voice. Otherwise instances wouldn’t have the ability to defederate.
And people as they got more familiar to the fediverse started either running their own or choosing instances that aligned with what they’d like to see and not see. So I see this thread more as people expressing what they’d like their instance to do when it comes to defederating or federating.
And if values don’t align then people can switch to an instance that more closely does. So its less about voice, but having options to turn to compared to centralized sites where if you dislike the CEO, algorithm, or moderation policies there isn’t much you can do other than leaving, but in the process lose access to all content and interaction.
No, the whole point of the fediverse is to combat censorship from fascists.
Inviting them over there is NOT good. It’ll show more pro-fascist views and fool gullible people. And the more fascist instances there are, the harder to kick those out.
“Echo chambers” don’t exist except on fascist forums.
You’re saying you support it turning into a Nazi bar. If you want one, then go there, instead of being on Lemmy.
It’s to combat censorship. How will having ““fascists”” on the fediverse start putting in place censorship?
Inviting them over there is NOT good. It’ll show more pro-fascist views and fool gullible people. And the more fascist instances there are, the harder to kick those out.
It sounds like you’re the one wanting to enforce censorship?
You’re saying you support it turning into a Nazi bar. If you want one, then go there, instead of being on Lemmy.
I’m not talking about nazis or fascists. You were the first to mention them.
why are you running so much defense for nazis? not a good look.
You’re the one defending nazis.
Let’s not paradox of tolerance this place into a Nazi bar
I’m not talking about Nazis here
They sure are.
I was going to say this. I’m not even from the United States btw. That’s just how the fediverse and federation works.
Yeah. The fediverse will end up having stuff we don’t like on it. What matters is that people are using it.
A perfectly valid point. We always have to protect ourselves from the barbarians at the gate anyway.
If particular instances like blahaj.zone or beehaw wish to defederate them, that makes sense. But if they aren’t botting/spamming or doing things that are illegal, I don’t see a point in defederating.
Well this instance has already been heavily defederated.
Do we know who defederated them?
Piefed.social has. I imagine blahaj and dbzer0 and many left-leaning instances.
Blahaj and dbzer0 makes sense tbh. They’re kinda ideological safe spaces. All power to them.
And then in a couple years lemmy goes the way of reddit and suddenly were flooded with right wing bots and bad actors spamming lemmy with misinformstion and hate and they scream and cry whenever you try to do anything about it.
Leftists deserve our own space on the internet.
The day it happen we’ll just have to defederate them, which other social networks can’t.
Leftists deserve our own space on the internet.
That’s not what the fediverse is for. The fediverse isn’t to be your own personal haven. However, you can use the fediverse to make a leftist instance and defederate/ban right wingers as you please.
I haven’t been on Reddit since the API fallout, but I rarely ever saw right wingers, nevermind bots.
Some of these platforms (notably xitter) have algorithms to farm rage
I haven’t been on Reddit since the API fallout, but I rarely ever saw right wingers, nevermind bots.
That says more about you than about the site lol
That I haven’t used reddit since 2023?
That you haven’t looked outside of your bubble.
Of leftism?
Oh you saw bots, they were everywhere. You just didnt realize you were interacting with bots. At least once a week I found a bot account trying to steer conversations on reddit.
What I do remember was being banned from half the subs because I posted a pro vaccine comment in the nonewnormal sub. And it wasn’t conservative subs that were banning me. It was usually leftist, slightly leftist or even completely apolotical subs with leftist moderation. And then they broadened their ban list to include pro life subreddits and anti-pitbull activism subreddits as well.
I did not get an impression that it was a right-wing site.
Twitter always was a cesspit as well, even before Elon. It was filled with leftist dreamSMP and k-pop stans who’d doxx you over misnaming a haircut in Animal Crossing. When elon bought it, it just turned into a right wing cesspit. A cesspit is still a cesspit.
yeah but we’ve seen with other social media platforms what happens when the conservatives come knockin’. Once the wave of conservative boomers and social outcasts comes the grifters will follow and it’s the end of the platform.
Couldn’t be further from the truth.
The fediverse is likely to split off into different sections. Some will allow people to say what they want, others won’t.
That’s due to algorithms. And again, you could just defed them.
It’ll be less of an echo chamber that way.
It’ll be defederated and just create new echo chambers.
If enough free-speech instances get defederated, then it will be the ones defederating that are left with an echo chamber.
Not everyone kneejerks defederation in this case. A lot of places just defed csam
And what is that acronym stand for? There is no “kneejerk” when collective defederation, save for outright removing the instance, is the only sane method of kicking out fascists.
CSAM = child sexual abuse material
I’m not talking about fascists either. Why do americans always jump to conclusions
My honest reaction exactly, and I have to say I feel like just being on lemmy for a little bit it does feel like a bit of a left wing eco chamber, which isn’t necessarily that bad and it makes sense due to alot of left wing people migrating from twitter and the likes, idk it’s just something I’ve noticed and wanted to mention
Yeah. I don’t usually mind either too much. I think there is a problem when you have the likes of !christianity@lemmy.world being downvote brigaded to the point that it actually is unfairly balancing the posts due to the slim minority of Christians on here. Most lefties I find on here are cool, though. Just a slim minority of them, like the ones who get offended at you saying “bro”
Also, having a Trumpet on lemmy is infinitely better than the loli porn instances
MAGAhats are exactly the same as those who defend loli. Just ask Trump and Epstein.
I think it’s completely fair to downvote Christian fundamentalists.
You literally have “nazi” in your username.
Sounds like you’re drunk up on strawmen
think there is a problem when you have the likes of !christianity@lemmy.world being downvote brigaded to the point that it actually is unfairly balancing the posts due to the slim minority of Christians on here.
Are you and the other mods aware that you can see who downvotes, and potentially ban systematic downvoters? That’s a topic that is regularly debated, but I guess in your case it could be useful?
I’ll take a look when I get the chance
I can’t believe there’s this many people talking about an instance with one user.
Debating the big issues here guys.
If you can’t believe it just give it time. You’ll see the patterns then belief will be within your reach.
It’s how tribalism work.
These people are incapable of tolerating anyone who disagrees with them.
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