them: yaaah safe from the censorship of the fediverse
me: defederates🦀🦀🦀
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They’re welcome to it.
As far as I’m concerned, this is the entire benefit of lemmy/piefed/etc… They can have their space, and any other instance can choose not to federate with them so we aren’t forced to listen to them, unlike the alternative, where an algorithm forces them into everyone’s face.
Rather than telling them they don’t have the right to speak, we simply have the ability to shut our window and not listen to them.
Let them bitch at each other.
Can we build a wall around them?
and make MAGA Place pay for it?
This one gets it
I disagree with them being welcome, if we have more fascists over here eventually we’ll get overrun. Best to shut that door immediately.
I mean “welcome” in the most generic, passive aggressive Canadian sense of the word. Shutting the door is exactly what the strength of federated/defederated social media is all about.
You have a very poor understanding of how the fediverse works if you think that’s true.
You can always section yourself off from the instances you don’t like. If it just so happens that you’re sectioning yourself off from most of the fediverse, then that’s on you.
Except that what I call for is a collective defederation from those fascists.
The ones sectioning themselves off are the fascists by virtue of holding repulsive ideologies.
My friend, the person you replied to is that fascist.
Thanks for letting me know, blocked them. Blåhaj on, comrade!
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but I’m on Lemmy.World and I’m too stupid to understand everything.
Thank you, now I love lemmy even more.
And further it ‘should’ help build support for Lemmy et al’s right to exist
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Beware of what? It’s no different than any other instance and capable of being subscribed to, scrolled past or blocked.
Stop advertising for them and let them have their federated echo chamber, just like the communists, socialists, leftists and others have.
it’s kinda funny though
Stop advertising for them and let them have their defederated echo chamber.
FTFY
I’ve always wondered why conservatives insist on coming to the fediverse when conventional networks are more appealing to them and their ideals nowadays. Or is that still not enough?
When I was a conservative piece of shit, in my younger days, I had the most outlandish bumper stickers you can imagine. Probably more outlandish than you can imagine, actually, 99.9% likelihood. There were quite a few. I knew I was being an ass and I loved when it offended people, because I was miserable. Someone was paying attention to me. I was getting a reaction. I existed! Anyway, yeah, it can be as simple as “they get off on ruining your day cuz they’re miserable pieces of shit.” Speaking from experience.
Good job being less of a piece of shit and congrats on the happiness. Any advice for helping people out of there?
Tl;dr version:
Take mushrooms in Amsterdam, say “it’s not doing anything” and also take your sister-in-law’s portion (turns out everyone is going to bed so you’re on your own for this first psilocybin trip, which should make it easier to…)
Cry for five to six hours, finally lose religion and 80-90 pounds (over next 6-12 months), get medicated for ADHD (not currently, but sure helps), continue occasionally microdosing and/or smoking pot until everything finishes clicking.
Ok so I’ve got to make like the CIA and put lsd in fhe water supply? Got it. /s obviously
Funny though as me and a friend found religion through acid, though we stayed progressive. I do really wish more people would go trip in pursuit of better understanding of shared humanity
People can change. Even if that baby thinks they can’t.
Even if that baby thinks they can’t.
I worry you’re right.
That video is like a weirdly nostalgic confessional of my time in D.C. I was a huge piece of shit. Systematic theology book. Capitol Hill job. Little bitty bow ties. Speakeasies. Pork stuffed potatoes at Dixie Bones. People can change.
they want attention, which is why magat are so desperate for trump to recognize them.
They need an audience to perform for. When ever you see a social media “safe space” for conservatives (Voat, Truth Social, etc.) they almost always wither and die. They need people to blame for being everything wrong with the world as well as react to their terrible takes, otherwise there’s no point in shouting their outrage and anger on the internet.
That’s fine. But how do they feel about beans?
Because this place isn’t censored for their side, they’re trying to break it.
If they get defederated, they just spin up a new instance and keep spreading their hate.
They got to emigrate the istance users aswell. Seems like a loosing game.
If the thousand instance users are controlled by three people, it’s not that hard.
We might not be there yet though. Elections are far enough out.
I expect 95% of Lemmy to be propaganda and manipulation when we get closer. There’s only so much that can be done to keep out nation states when all the users are anonymous.
And when you put your real name on things, you get cancelled.
It’s a bad time for the Internet, and I don’t have easy answers. Just be very aware that what seems to be “consensus” opinion might actually be twenty accounts controlled by the same guy or organization. They might even argue with each other, and just have the side they want to lose present weak arguments.
or they infilitrate instances by creating an account in there and just troll.
Ideals? You mean diet fascism?
FOSS is for everyone. Not wanting to be dependent on big tech isn’t uniquely a leftist ideal, and it should be obvious by now that the political affiliation and community guidelines of big tech companies are entirely dependent on the current political landscape, not any moral values or held ideals, and can change at any moment.
Hmm, that sounds fair.
They don’t want their own spaces as much as making other people’s spaces are theirs too - aka “This is why we can’t have nice things”
(imo)…because the AI/bot deluge is slowly but surely becoming more obvious by the day.
even bootlickers want to feel like they’re talking to real other bootlickers
Conservatives value the marketplace of ideas. The fediverse is a true embodiment of the marketplace of ideas. No wonder they are coming.
Is that really true though?
When living in the US, it seemed American conservatives seemed mostly to be oligarch shills and with very shallow and performative beliefs.
Mind you, I think there needs to be balance of sorts between left and right, competition to keep both sides honest. But this doesn’t apply to American “conservatives” who at least at the high level seemed to mostly consist of demagogues.
The “marketplace of ideas” phrase is a perfect example of the theatrical and performative nature of American conservativism.
Don’t lie to urself we both know that both parties are just as corrupt and bought out by corporate interests. The lefts beliefs are just as performative. Empathy for all people unless they say words we don’t like. Gun violence is bad and we should ban all guns but its OK to shoot some people for their opinions.
If the communists are to be tolerated so must the Nazis. Communism is responsible for more deaths than the Nazis their is no argument for one that does not also lend value to the other. I’m of the persuasion that both those ideologies are evil and wrong but those ideas must be combatted by rational discussion and the only way to do that is allow all to speek.
I’m neither a conservative or a democrat. I’m in fact not even a fucking American twat. But I have beliefs that strongly align with both sides and beliefs that strongly oppose both sides. Only in the struggle between ideas can actual change happen. Only through challenging the mind can greater ideas be formed. Fuck the political parties its not a football game where we choose sides and cheer for the downfall of our opponents it as a philosophical dance of ideas where the best shall eclipse all teams.
The marketplace of ideas is an idea it is a concept it is not consecrate it is not progressive it is its own thing and it requires all sides take part. Lemmy is a hard left echo chamber I would like to see lemmy represent the average person to grant all people a voice in the great marketplace of ideas. And to do this we need the rightwingers.
I never said anything about US democrats (who are centre-right) or leftists. And where did I say you are American or even that you are a conservative or Democrat. Why are you bringing this up?
I said something very specific, that US conservatives are beholden to oligarchs and even their alleged deeply held beliefs do not pass the basic smell test if you’ve lived in different countries / speak different languages and so on (this is true irrespective of you political views). It’s like claiming the United Russia party has deeply held beliefs. This is a ridiculous proposition.
Making claims that “US conservatives support the marketplace ideas” is exactly the kind of thing that brings up massive red flags. Conservative/Progressive refers to broad political alignment. You can have people in both camps who support the marketplace of ideas and those that don’t. You can also have people who like to make statements about supporting the marketplace of ideas for superficial reasons.
Hey Jimmy Kimmel, how do you like that marketplace of ideas? I heard conservatives sure do value that marketplace. Why can’t I hear you Jimmy?
Ohh that’s cos the left killed the guy who wanted free speech. Now they playing by your rules. You did this to yourself. The irony is palpable.
U wanted a culture war, u wanted to silence free speech. You are now subject to the paradox of tolerance. You could not tolerate descenting opinions so your opinions cannot he tolerated. Ohh the irony.
I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.
Sounds like they were playing by his rules? We both know there’s no evidence “the left” killed him but hey we all know how conservatives feel about facts right?
We both know he was datings someone trans. He had hundreds of hours in a game called “furry shades of gay”. Does either of those things sound like right wing to you?
Absolutely, hypocrisy and hating yourself are core tenets of the conservative experience in America.
Ignorance of facts logic and critical thinking seem to be the core tenants of your personal experience.
What’s the problem of those right-wing dipshits having their own instance? I’m trying to understand this perspective you all seem to have here.
Someone please elaborate the hesitancy of us accepting MAGA extremists having their own federated community?
Nobody is saying that they can’t, mostly what you’ll get is calls for defederation.
Calling for defederation is a matter of simply not accepting content or voting from the targeted instance. Everyone has the right to spin up an instance for whatever they believe, but everyone else also has the right to not pass your content through their servers or display it to their users
This isn’t to call to shut them down, this is to raise awareness so people can update block lists, instance admins to investigate/check with their users/mods on what they want to do
They can have it. We just don’t want to federate with them, which doesn’t prevent them from having their own instance all for themselves.
Because I don’t want to interact with them outside of very specific, and sporadic, questions. Their presence is an active detriment to me. Let them go back to truth social.
Are you the type that asks a cockroach or ant infestation to politely go away as well?
Is your argument here that your preferred way to deal with cockroaches is to let them have the run of your house? Hard to red anything rose out of that, given the context.
I need you to work on your reading comprehension and try again. Not going to spoon-feed you what I’m saying if you’re here asking me to spell shit out for you friend. Also this is not endorsement of said implications either.
You’re not making much sense to me. I ask this sincerely and without prejudice or malice. Are you feeling alright? Do you believe that having someone to talk to might help?
Im trying to tell you that fascism/MAGA is similar to an insect infestation. Would you like me to puree some food for you next and do the airplane thing with the spoon?
It’s perfectly fine to be frustrated, but please avoid demeaning others. I couldn’t detect sarcasm in either comment, so I read them straight. Lemmy is so averse to sarcasm that I can rarely notice it when it’s there. Were you initially speaking sarcastically?
Yes i was indeed being sarcastic. Apologies for the lack of “/s”, I keep forgetting I’m not smart enough to convey the sarcasm well.
Because they are trolls whose purpose is to actively harm everybody else. They do not deserve our tolerance.
Before Trump, the “traditional” social media was likely pushing the Democrats’ agenda (like the Twitter files under the guise of more moderation. Now the tactic is being used by the Trump administration just more in the open and in more traditional media (Jimmy Kimmel). Big media is such an easy target for govt influence when it’s all ad supported.
I’d bet they see the writing on the wall that the government has too much influence in social media. So this time they don’t want to be caught with their pants down when Democrats come back into power. The other thing I feel is on the horizon is the end of the ad supported internet. I’ve said it before, be prepared to do it yourself or pay for it. I guarantee the guys behind this instance is in the do it yourself camp.
Disclaimer: I am libertarian and view both DNC and GOP as different sides of the same authoritarian coin. Right wing flavored, left wing flavored, both are disgusting when it’s authoritarianism.
I hate how maga people call themselves patriots. They are the most unamerican people ever. Everything they stand for is in direct opposition to the America ideals.
Funny rule
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others
And some are the equalest
So being sexist towards a Canadian is a warn but being sexist towards an American is a ban?
I presume they were attempting to clarify that the type of xenophobia that they most likely expected to see was directed at themselves due solely to their nationality.
But you could test this by making xenophobic comments against both, and see what happens. Then perhaps make an alt and perform in reverse ordering.
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Bye.
This is just universal monk jerking themselves off.
I’m so glad we can always rely on Satan’s Maggoty Cum Fart for honest and reasonable assessments of situations.
Wouldn’t have it any other way.
I can believe that. The shitstain avoids having a life like the plague
They post like they boof meth.
Lol
1 month later: why is our new instance filled exclusively with incels and edgelords and fuckwits?
1 year later: President Trump signs executive order requiring everyone to federate with MAGA
1 year + 1 day later: turns out all instances are running on non-American servers.
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I’ve noticed a significant uptick in rightist trolls on the fediverse since the devil called Charlie Kirk home. Absolutely nowhere is safe from fascist infiltration for long. Hopefully the half decent instances defederate from those cesspits en masse.
That’s because they are fucking bored and have no real personality or hobbies.
There are some original style old school websites that are niche and small that are fine. Too small to be worth the bots’ time.
Eg if you like miniature painting, going to a small, dedicated website forum just for that, is more likely to be genuine than anything like Lemmy or Reddit. And truly it is more decentralized.
I’ve been hammering the block user feature a lot lately.
Good!
That’s what it’s for!
We don’t need to censor something for everyone just because we don’t like what’s being said!
*sniffs* Smells like Nazi in here.
🙄
You dropped this.
🥱
damn, i gotta check out that place later. i wonder how MAGA will interact with the fediverse. like, how can you be anarchistic and bootlicking at the same time?
edit: this is hilarious.
bootlicking: check ✅️
“especially towards Americans”
well, at least this one i can understand. Now i have to think about What the Turtle said to Achill, somehow.
this gotta be a troll account. Why is there an “antifa” community on the https://maga.place/ instance?
Why would they not just stay on Twitter, Truth Social, reddit or Facebook? Those places are tailor-made for MAGA 🤔
They want to spread their diareah everywhere
In the novel Snow Crash, the residents of the white-supremacist micro-state franchises visit other places because they have no non-whites to attack at home.
is that the Network State that Peter Thiel is trying to build?
Actually, yes, pretty much.
Amazing novel though.
They probably get bored in their echo chambers and eventually want to try their five or six canned lines on someone new.
If you think twitter is an echo chamber but lemmy isn’t then I have a bridge to sell you.
100% a parody instance: https://maga.place/post/2245?scrollToComments=true
Even mention Epstein+Trump like that would be a site-wide shadowban posted on /r/conservative.
It’s good though. It’s plausibly pro trump.
I can’t believe there’s this many people talking about an instance with one user.
Debating the big issues here guys.
If you can’t believe it just give it time. You’ll see the patterns then belief will be within your reach.
It’s how tribalism work.
These people are incapable of tolerating anyone who disagrees with them.
Hates fediverse, still wants to be part of it.
Exactly!
“We hate the fediverse! Join us on our Lemmy server in the fediverse!”
It’s their “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” attempt. We’ll use it on them instead.
“Deny, defed, disunite”.
Hot take (?):
It’s fantastic that there is a branch of MAGA who hates the corporate Internet as much as we do.
