Before installing Linux, I had originally planned to dual-boot on my main PC, but somehow a gaming rig from 5 years ago isn’t good enough to run windows 11, which is ridiculous.
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Now genuinely curious, as an ex-Windows-refugee, how did the non-Windows-refugees, the “native” GNU/Linux users, find out about it?
Edit: BTW, started a journey with a laptop in a place with no internet. Luckily I had the foresight to install GNU/Linux on it before I started my journey. I was constantly reminded that I were in the same situation with Windows, the computer would stop working because it had no internet. You need internet for Microshit office, Adobe software, etc. That was the time I said: there has to be a better way. That’s when I started using free software. I’ll take the occasional, inadvertent usability annoyance with free software over the megacorporations trying to constantly gang rape me into submission any day.
A Celeron n4000 with only two cores, 4gb of DDR 3 RAM and 80gb sata I 5400rpm drive, that takes 25 minutes to boot: ✅ supported by Windows 11 because introduced on the market after 2018
A Xeon E7-8894 v4 with 24 cores, 3tb of ECC RAM and petabytes of nvme storage, paid $130k: ❌ unsupported by Windows 11 because introduced on the market before 2018
A totally valid way to define minimum requirements…
It’ll run the Windows 11 IoT edition and it’ll run it well.
(though it’d run Linux better :) )
Tux: What 4 GB RAM? This is some gourmet shit.
Tell that to the modern web though.
The web is so fat nowadays that it makes Windows look slim.
The modern web so fat that when it sits around the house, it sits around the shockingly robust infrastructure we’ve collected that provides us great convenience while it slurps up our privacy.
The modern web so fat that It uses a VCR as a beeper.
Hey you kids, get off my lawn!
Fuckin’ a man. My backup server uses 70mb of ram, My NAS, 250mb. My laptop, about 1GB doing normal usage things. Open up one webpage with a YouTube video embedded and the processor constantly runs all 4 cores at 30%+, fan is on high, 3GB ram getting eaten away at for a paused video and text. It’s ridiculous.
I don’t know how youtube does it, but decoding a video, say with libavcodec(ffmpeg) without GPU acceleration is pretty demanding. They could do it on their server and send you the stream, but then again they’d save a lot of money not doing that.
But I agree it shouldn’t take so much when nothing is happening, the web has very much become so bloated.
And electron based apps 🤮 Why did they become the norm, especially ones that don’t even have an actual website version.
i think the biggest problem with electron is that it doesn’t just use some system-provided browser library, instead every electron app ships its own browser environment, which takes up a lot of space each time and makes the whole system a whole lot less efficient. shared libraries exist for a reason.
and all the oem bundleware. i knocked-down fresh boot idle active ram usage from 5.5gb to 3.5gb on a new dell desktop just by uninstalling anything that had ‘dell’ in the name.
I compile links2 from source and use “links2 -g” strictly nowadays. Wikipedia works so it has everything I need. I would contribute if I knew how to program latex rendering.
If they stopped showing so many ads, maybe they’d leave enough memory to run an operating system.
That’d be like asking a a kid to stop selling lemonade so he can focus on making a sign out of something other than cardboard
Nah man, Microsoft doesn’t give their OS away for free. The ads are just greed on top of an already expensive product.
More like asking a kid to stop selling lemonade so he can focus on making lemonade out of something other than cardboard.
Just save yourself the hassle and ditch the malware.
I did and am much happier. When I went to install Linux, it was a last minute decision to try to dual boot, and that was the day that the Win11 pop-up showed up saying that I couldn’t, so I thought “that makes my decision easy” and wiped the whole thing.
God, I love Linux nerds.
That is a glorious pizza box computer.
:) I have an old 2010 network drive, running Debian and OpenMediaVault for music and video shares. It has 256MB of memory and doesn’t need it all to act as a folder share and streaming box. Windows 11 needing such a high end chip to run is just really poor optimization
Support for Windows 10 ends on October 14, 2025.
Microsoft wants you to buy a new computer.
But what if you could make your current one fast and secure again?
The good news for Microsoft is the EOL did make me buy a new computer
The bad news is that I have no intention of ever using Windows again now. I was already on the fence whether I’d ever willingly upgrade to Win11, but making it a high barrier to entry cemented my decision
I made the switch to Linux about ten years ago … mainly because I didn’t want to upgrade to the latest Windows 7/8 and I just didn’t have the need to use any Windows software … all I do is write documents, store photos, some light video editing and go online - why do I need any other OS? The only problem I had at the start was video editing … it just meant I didn’t do any. Now there are several options to get that done too.
The fun part was that my old hardware suddenly ran twice as fast with the latest Ubuntu at the time … and I haven’t look back since.
Linux gang rise up!!!
I switch to Linux in college (20ish years ago) and have been exclusively using it since. Windows XP was my last windows machine. I’ve never regretted it.
If it wasn’t for work/school and Microsoft fucking around with document standards I’d happily never see a windows machine again. My last true windows machine was 7 for gaming and correcting document formatting in college.
I went 15 years without needing a windows machine and now I’m taking online courses where a full windows install is required for some test taking, so I have tiny10 on a dirty gross separate drive, dual booted, fuck off with windows 11. I have a VM with it as well for fixing formatting in docs and spreadsheets I make in libreoffice, because Microsoft STILL has to just fuck with open standards.
I’ll be damned if I have to use it more than I have to.
My wife is in grad school (again) and has survived on a cheap Chromebook so far, but it entirely depends on the university (and maybe the class/degree).
I’m doing a computer information systems degree, but it’s through the business school. So my first class is “how to use Microsoft Office”. The assignments are basically “do these things to make look exactly like this” so I have to pull out the VM to look to see if the formatting stuck (it usually doesn’t on the little obscure things).
Plus there’s a locked down browser for testing that ONLY works on a full install of windows (not even VM) but I have yet to be required to use that, so Windows is staying off until they time. I’m super tempted to try to put windows on a USB so I can throw it across the room in a biohazard bag when not in use.
Video editing is still a hurdle for me, sometimes I do some shitposts but want to add sparkles and some effects. There’s Davinci and it’s fucking great but I can’t afford the paywalled version (even less if I’m gonna use something once or twice), it doesn’t have things like copilot for quick default effects. Also it doesn’t renderize things that are outside the usual/common video sizes.
Kdenlive works for some basic video editing, but it feels too convoluted just for some basic editing.I end up booting Windows and going to after effects anyway.
I thought that for a while myself … then I started editing things with simple cuts and very few effects. They did build an entire movie industry for most of the 20th century on editing equipment that was no more complex than simple cutting and splicing.
That’s cool and all, but I don’t work on vfx so learning all that for a shitpost or for spicing something up once or twice a year is too much effort for something that I’ll forget the next day, hence why I rather boot up Windows, open after effects, add some copilot shit, render at unconventional size and then forget about it again
If you want a more simple video editing package you could give OpenShot a try.
My first “true gaming PC” has been turned into a NAS and small docker host. Its about to turn 15, and I have spare hardware to upgrade it, but I like to see how much I can churn out of it.
I did the same for a while using TrueNAS … I cobbled together every single spare HDD I had at the time onto my first true desktop PC (450Mhz CPU with a gig of RAM, in a giant box full of HDD that felt like a small heater in my office)… I think it was six or seven drives that added up to about 2TB and I felt like I had become Hackerman … I even set it up with Transmission to download a bunch of Linux distros I wanted to try as well as a ton on movies and TV shows I couldn’t get at the time. Basically the reason why I got back into watching all the Star Trek series after downloading all of TNG, VOY and DS9
Extra fun: My current gaming laptop has a TPM, but it’s so new that Windows 10 doesn’t recognize it. So when I try to upgrade it says ‘lol nope’.
My work laptop had required CPU, but said can’t upgrade due to TPM chip being 1.2 and requirements are TPM 2.0. So I downloaded the firmware updater to get the TPM to 2.0. Then I reran the checker and it said nope CPU not supported. Lol, just arbitrary nonsense.
I recently picked up a couple of e-waste laptops, Thinkpad x130e’s with an AMD E-300, 4GB RAM and a 320GB spinner. For the pair I paid $60 shipped. These were low-end semi-ruggedized laptops meant for students released around the time that HBO started showing Game of Thrones.
I’ve put Debian on one and it runs great. All the hardware just works, everything is pretty quick after boot, and I love how rugged and portable it is. Email, writing, basic productivity, hobby development and 2D gaming all work great. Web browsing takes a hit if I open too many tabs, the video card is too underpowered for most 3D games that came out after 2010, and large compiles are slow. I’m a bit worried about the aging HDD so I’m going to replace it with a cheap SSD which should help with boot and compile times.
The other one I’m not sure about. I’ve tried HaikuOS and the video and wifi work well and the whole system feels very snappy, but there’s no audio or webcam support. Redox seems interesting but needs a whole lot more hardware support. I’ll probably just end up cloning the first one unless I can get a better suggestion.
All that is to say, Linux is great on old cheap hardware.
My laptop is also an old e-waste Thinkpad. I run Xubuntu on it and it flies.
E-waste Thinkpads are quickly becoming my favorite laptops.
… I should really start a business selling nice socks …
Attractive thigh-highs with toes are impossible to find in my size. You’d have at least one customer.
Step 1:
Create (foss) app that collects feet pics.Step 2:
Built & test a 3D knitting/weaving machine.Step 3:
Create bylaws that will endure enshitification attempts.Step 4:
Make the world profit/a better place.
Even the cheapest SSD you can find will improve the performance quite significantly.
i use some of those low power soc laptops, running with lid closed (heat is basically a non-issue), for pihole, white noise, and a few other ‘little’ things. one of 'em is even running stuff in VMs (the rest are debian-based dietpi).
that a ryzen 2200g with 16gb ram, nvme, and usb-c is ‘unsupported’ is total bullshit. i just pulled one from service. meanwhile, i just ‘upgraded’ a 10th gen celeron desktop, and some even-worse gemini lake laptops, all with hdd (except one with a massive 64gb emmc chip) to 11.
(that ryzen is now rocking silverblue and looking for a new forever home)
Win11 is 4,5 years old and still feels like 10 builds away from going gold. It feels thrown together.
Regularly, file explorer just stops being an explorer for me. Window sizing and buttons work, but I can’t select files or folders. I have to exit file explorer and relaunch it.
also - for whatever reason File Explorer occasionally decides to think about life and stuff for a minute or two upon opening random folders - it just keeps loading even if there’s like two files inside 2mb total.
I found when my new system bogs down it is ai.exe hogging resources. Which is part of the Office install. I go into the folders (2 places) and delete ai.exe aimgr.DLL and a few others and the system behaves better till an update from MS restores the files
I’ve got this creeping suspicion that Microsoft really wants everyone to embrace Mint but is too shy to just say it like it is.
With how much effort they put into getting WSL1 and the WSL2 working, it makes me think they will end up switching to Linux and just have Windows webapps as services
sounds like sound consumer strategy
Little PCeaser’s.
That fan in there is probably bloat.
