Im sure the creeps on 4chan would love all these older musicians if they took the time to read about them, and how they were basically all abusing kids
CIA funded circus music, lol. It all makes sense now
Still waiting for the CIA to weaponize my books so I can buy a house
Search “CIA jazz” and have fun reading!
One of the better things the CIA had done, NGL.
not really, them proving that human art is fucking bullshit leads to people thinking human art is complete fucking horseshit. Any now we have AI art, which takes just as much effort to make as a Pollock, and looks way better and expresses more than a Pollock, but instead of fucking over Pollock , is fucking over people who actually put in effort into their art.
Abstract modernism isn’t only an us based style. I get you don’t care for it, that’s ok.
But art has been put to political use for ages, and got funding from governments.
The time from the European song contest is from Carpentier, paid for by Louis XIV to commemorate his victories f.i. you can’t really blame the artists for getting paid for doing their thing, can you?
But my main point was that that money was better spent versus toppling foreign socialist regimes or stoking up the war on drugs by getting involved in drugs trade. The art thing is more desirable in any way.
glowstep
Don’t ever shit talk The Doors
Yeah but you gotta do a bong rip as a big Midwestern storm approaches while listening to riders on the storm
This, but on on mushrooms
Johnny Cash did it better with Riders in the Sky
Dunkey did it better with Petters on the Low.
Bryan Cranston did it better with Malcolm in the Middle
Sheyyga Dreamcayyshhht…
Still better than anything with autotune.
The vast majority of songs these days use autotune, you just can’t hear it because it’s being used properly to fix when the singer is slightly off key.
The “autotune” sound only happens when the artist is purposefully singing off key.
Almost true. The “autotune effect” only appears if you dial the knobs all the way up when setting up the effect. But you are correct that properly used autotune is pretty much not noticeable.
Using autotune also does not automatically make you a bad singer. T-Pain is very known for the autotune effect he uses on his vocals, but he is an amazing singer even without using it.
His War Pigs cover is amazing.
That’s sick, thanks for sharing!
2008 ass take 😂
Said the kid who doesn’t understand what imaging is.
2008 ass response 😂
Why do you hate autotune? Some artists use it as a sound effect
Because it has no soul. Like a lot of digital electronic music. Hit a drum in a nice space and listen to the sound. Now listen to a high-end recording of that and you’ll be able to make out the sound of the room. Music that has been autotuned is similar to listening to electronic drums. No depth or soul to it because it’s synthetic. Btw: If you’re listening to crappy buds or Bluetooth it won’t matter anyways because the fidelity is already lost.
I firmly believe that high-res bluetooth codecs have way more fidelity than my ears have left after years of enjoying music
Possibly but I’m not there yet. Huge difference with good headphones when you plug them in. Bluetooth can’t even handle the bandwidth of high end audio without compressing the crap out of it. For example the HD version of pink Floyd wish you were here is over 700mb per song.
Jokes aside, my ears are not that terrible, but modern compression is pretty damn okay.
I don’t have an anechoic, soundproof listening room, no soundcard I’ve measured myself had more than 80-90 dB SNR in real world scenarios anyway, and I am not going to turn off all electronic appliances in my apartment when I want to listen to music. Plus, most headphones that don’t cost a kidney or two will likely be a weak part anyway, as they are analog, mechanical, imperfect devices with manufacturing spread, wearout, and just general real-world mess.
I had pretty good ears as a kid, and I remember taking an mp3 blind test at a museum back then. Sure, the lower quality levels are easy, but past 128-192 or so kb/s? Maybe if you know what to listen for, and switch back and forth, but out of the blue I personally wouldn’t notice compression in anything higher.
Therefore, I believe that anything past CD quality is voodoo and won’t hold up to a blind test for 99,999% of people, especially if you randomize loudness a bit. The ~100dB dynamic range are more than enough for normal music, and the frequency range is plenty for everyone older than 3. Enough space for decent filters to practically eliminate aliasing as well. The only reason I see for higher resolutions and bit depths is mixing/mastering, if you want to modify things several times and not have audible quality issues.
No offence, but 700 MB a song from an old tape master sounds borderline snake-oily as well. I wouldn’t call tape motor rumble, dust specks or random background EM “soul”, and I kind of doubt you can squeeze that much resolution out of old tapes, but I may be wrong here, tapes were largely before my time.
Bruh, what a boring elitist take. I don’t even want to take the bait and engage into long discussion about the topic which seemed outdated 30 years ago. Björk already put it perfectly:
Plus, if you can’t hear pure emotion and see soul in such songs with autotune as yet another instrument, it’s probably your lack of perception, not the artist’s fault:
Enjoying audio quality is elitist now? That’s sad. When I was young every young person wanted a great stereo. 😞
Btw Bjork puts tremendous effort into the audio quality of her music.
Enjoying audio quality is elitist now?
Nah, saying that music with autotune/electronic music has no soul. And claiming with zero evidence that everyone who disagrees with you just has bad sound equipment
I’m not saying electronic music sounds bad. I’m saying it lacks the soul in the audio portion. Like I said in my other example, on a well-recorded audio track, you should be able to tell where each person is standing and hear the shape of the room and the reverberation of sounds mixing into harmonies. When everything is done on a computer that’s literally impossible to do. That being said, there’s tons of great electronic music out there, but I still don’t like auto-tune as it just masks the singers inability to perform themselves.
Do you think that songs are recorded with all of the artists crammed in a room with a couple of mics placed around the room which is then recorded immediately to file? Cause that is not how it (in pretty much most cases) works.
You record the artist separately and than layer the tracks. Hell, most of the time even that isn’t done in a single take. You do multiple takes and splice the best parts together.
And a recording room does not have a characteristic sound shape. They are made to reflect as little sound from the walls as possible so you get the most pure version of the instrument. That’s the whole point. If you want something like reverb you add it either in the signal chain during playing or later in the production. Unless the instrument is recorded in a specific room with specific mics placed about for that rooms specific sound, if you hear any sort of room characteristics that is most likely a mistake.
The only case I can think of where you can hear the things you are talking about is when you are recording a live show/album. But even then you will need post processing for a proper “soundstage”, aka being able to hear the position of the different musicians. A single mic does not record position. You have to pan them left or right after the recording to get them left or right in the soundstage. You can do the exact same thing with electronic music.
And as I’ve said elsewhere in this thread, using autotune does not automatically make you a bad singer. If you can hear the autotune, that’s on purpose. If you can’t hear any autotune, there is a good chance that’s it’s still being used. The whole point of autotune is that you don’t hear it when used as intended.
Im likely the only one who will agree with you, except in my mind there’s nothing wrong with electronic drums when used in the right context. Otherwise, youre right but the pop music lovers are getting offended haha. Very very few artists today have the skill of the 60s and 70s artists recording to tape, that shit is HARD and kids have no clue the talent it took then. Now its all samples and easy as shit to make a song (and why the market is oversaturated and very difficult to find authentic good music that isnt completely quantized). However i will say if you look very hard you find amazing music now but it takes effort.
I’m going to have to steal that first line for describing the next thing I suspect of being funded by the CIA.
I appreciate this post, as I hate the Doors.
Hey man, don’t slam the doors.
“Hey man, the Doors slam.”
Seems like you missed an opportunity þere.
“Hey man, the Doors slam.”
Haha, you used TH instead of þ
I don’t use thorns in proper names or in quotes ¯\(ツ)/¯
Wouldn’t a proper name be capitalised - The Doors?
Yup, I missed capitalizing “The”
Yeah the Doors had great songs and long shit songs, like every band.
The Beatles had long shit songs, Led Zeppelin, Kanye, Gustav Mahler…
The Beatles had long shit songs
Such as?
Number … Nine?
I’m not a White Album fan, lots of self indulgent stuff.
Lol fair enough, you’ve found the one Beatles song worth skipping
I sang Beatles songs to my kids as their lullabies and in parts with them today, I consider them the greatest band of all time, and they still had clinkers.
“For the Benefit of Mister Kite” is also kinda meh.
“For the Benefit of Mister Kite” is also kinda meh.
You fucking what mate?
K & H will assure the production will be second to none, but you are not invited
And that means you will never see Henry the Horse dance the waltz
That’s ok, I can hang out in Strawberry Fields forever.
Which long songs by Pink Floyd are shitty? 🤔
I’m not especially fond of Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict.
I had to look up if that was even a real song. 🤣
Looking at the lyrics I can already tell I am not gonna like it, despite that title definitely being right up my alley.
I don’t think that one qualifies as a particularly long Pink Floyd song
How dare you.
I am drunk, I am nobody. I am drunk, I am famous. I am drunk, I am dead.
In the words of the immortal Kids in the Hall,
“Doors fans aren’t made, they are born.”
And of course
“The gypsies had no homes, the Doors had no bass. But don’t let that scare you my friend, let that liberate you!”
Here, anon. Smoke this.
Just show me the way to the next Whisky Bar
Motel, money, murder, madness
Change the mood from glad to sadness :-(One of the best episodes of any podcast I’ve ever heard is dedicated entirely to making fun of the song LA Woman
