I’m convinced that to many Americans, there’s no difference, and that their mental image of a person includes four wheels. (And that a human without a car is not a person, as in, not deserving of moral comsideration.)
I’m convinced that many people who’ve never lived in the southern USA have absolutely no concept of how viable public transportation doesn’t fucking exist, yet housing is typically 30-40 minutes from where business center locations are.
Never been to Atlanta, Charlotte, Jacksonville, Tampa, or any city in the south huh?
You’re pretty much who my comment was about. My comment wasn’t in response to a picture, it was in response to uninformed people.
There’s a TON of people in the south that cannot escape for financial reasons. They’d much rather not have to drive everywhere. I’m 100% against victim shaming, which is what I took SwingingTheLamp’s comment to be.
You say that like the reason for those things isn’t because of the design of the cities. It is exactly advocating for the car centric design that keeps it car centric down here. Sincerely somebody who’s lived in the south their whole life but doesn’t think cars should define your life
Yeah, I have to spend two hours on the bus when it takes half an hour to drive downtown. They have great bus service if you’re within walking distance of the downtown area, but until earlier this year the last bus home left the station at 4p. Now the last bus home leaves at 6p.
I haven’t owned a car in a while, and I cannot even find a job because employers don’t want to work around the useless bus schedule.
Sort of? I used to have a regular bicycle, but the route with the least grade is also the truck route with no shoulders on parts of it. I quit biking after I got run off the road by a semi, so I think the main problem is just a lack of infrastructure.
Correct, but until you can fix the larger systemic issue, a 2-wheeler helps shield you from the monthly cost, stress of finding parking, traffic, etc when living in a carcentric hell.
PNW sadly enough. The fuckin neolibs running the area are using public transit to virtue signal how green they are without actually spending the money to make it actually effective. Gotta look good, so there’s multiple 15min bus lines, but it only covers a couple square miles, so nobody wants to pay the $2 when they could just walk.
I almost moved to Seattle a few years ago. I loved Seattle, but I wanted to explore what was outside of Seattle. I could tell pretty quickly that the state of Washington wanted to consolidate it’s tax dollars in Seattle as much as possible to the detriment of the rest of the state that wasn’t Seattle.
You’re not wrong. It’s also not helped that they look for any excuse to cut service, like they cut service during the '08 crash, took nearly a decade to bring it back to something close to what it was, only for it to get cut back even farther during COVID. There used to be a bus between the train station and the bus station, but that got cut back in '17 for unknown reasons. Heaven forbid they actually help people with their public service.
They say they don’t want to expand the lines because nobody rides it, but that’s only because their timetables and routes are shit. The first bus goes by my neighborhood at 6:30a and it’s always packed to standing with people who start work at 9am. But I guess people being willing to stand on a bus going 50mph is “nobody”.
Beyond that simplification I can’t really address your point because it’s quite vague. Public transit has been a fight for a long time, in part due to loud anti-tax lobbyists and NIMBYs fighting infrastructure at every step.
And that forces you to treat people without cars as sub-human? No sympathy, or even empathy, for people who have to navigate such a landscape without one?
No, absolutely fuck cars, cars are worse than landlords… Might be a hot take but the cars and urban spread that cars allow do more damage than landlords
while i certainly think there are far more cars distributed amongst people than needed, i don’t think they should go alltogether, as they still have their usecases (certainly not a personal everyday mode of transport tho). Housing problem, on the other hand, is more immediate:
if i go to a new city, i won’t give a single smallest flying fuck about cars, if i won’t be able to find myself a place to live.
So yeah, absolutely fuck the landlords and the real estate agencies.
More immediate issue isn’t necessarily a less important or less worse issue. Cars have much greater long term impacts on the ability of a population to be restrained by debt, damage to the environment, and hurt smaller economic ecosystems that are important for robust cities and towns.
I’m not saying don’t fuck the landlords I’m saying they’re a less important issue.
how tf am i supposed to care about cars if i don’t have anywhere to live? A roof above your head is at the literal bottom of the Maslow pyramid, as it’s a basic need. People won’t care about anything unless those are satisfied.
So yes, homes are more important issue even if cars is your priority
Seriously! I get that we’re in a severe housing crisis, many people can barely afford rent and the homeless population is ever expanding, but won’t anyone think of the cars?
Anyways, if you can’t afford an apartment, you can always sleep in your car! You can’t drive an apartment, checkmate liberals 😎
That’s the version of the Jetsons Hanna-Barbera didn’t have the balls to make. In the original version of the intro, George has a car that folds up into a briefcase-sized object, light as a feather. In the alternate universe version, it just keeps folding, then small enough that it just flies right up George’s ass. No need to carry it around. When you need it, you call to it, and it flies out and unfolds. It stays clean due to future tech. And it’s been done for so long it’s just socially considered normal. In the alternate Jetsons future, people just carry their cars right up their asses.
We had a similar issue in Boston like 20 years ago. There was all this undeveloped land on the southern edge of downtown from closed down former port and industrial areas. Then the city wanted to redevelop it, but everyone complained about losing thousands of low cost parking spaces.
Now we see it was a good choice with an active newly developed part of the city and a couple additional subway lines. It really is better for most people to commute by train
The only real objection now is how could we have developed a new part of the city without building a subway there. Stupid bus is stupid
Just leave it at home or get rid of it. Buy an e-motorcycle and enjoy saving fuckloads of money long term. Even better take public transport if its available.
where do you put the cars then
To some people the question of “where do you put the cars?” is more important than the question “where do we house the people?”
It’s bizarre.
I’m convinced that to many Americans, there’s no difference, and that their mental image of a person includes four wheels. (And that a human without a car is not a person, as in, not deserving of moral comsideration.)
I’m convinced that many people who’ve never lived in the southern USA have absolutely no concept of how viable public transportation doesn’t fucking exist, yet housing is typically 30-40 minutes from where business center locations are.
The image is of a dense urban area though, not some southern bumfuck town
Never been to Atlanta, Charlotte, Jacksonville, Tampa, or any city in the south huh?
You’re pretty much who my comment was about. My comment wasn’t in response to a picture, it was in response to uninformed people.
There’s a TON of people in the south that cannot escape for financial reasons. They’d much rather not have to drive everywhere. I’m 100% against victim shaming, which is what I took SwingingTheLamp’s comment to be.
You say that like the reason for those things isn’t because of the design of the cities. It is exactly advocating for the car centric design that keeps it car centric down here. Sincerely somebody who’s lived in the south their whole life but doesn’t think cars should define your life
Yeah, I have to spend two hours on the bus when it takes half an hour to drive downtown. They have great bus service if you’re within walking distance of the downtown area, but until earlier this year the last bus home left the station at 4p. Now the last bus home leaves at 6p.
I haven’t owned a car in a while, and I cannot even find a job because employers don’t want to work around the useless bus schedule.
Would a scooter, ebike, or commuter motorcycle like a used NC750X work?
Sort of? I used to have a regular bicycle, but the route with the least grade is also the truck route with no shoulders on parts of it. I quit biking after I got run off the road by a semi, so I think the main problem is just a lack of infrastructure.
Correct, but until you can fix the larger systemic issue, a 2-wheeler helps shield you from the monthly cost, stress of finding parking, traffic, etc when living in a carcentric hell.
Southern US city?
PNW sadly enough. The fuckin neolibs running the area are using public transit to virtue signal how green they are without actually spending the money to make it actually effective. Gotta look good, so there’s multiple 15min bus lines, but it only covers a couple square miles, so nobody wants to pay the $2 when they could just walk.
I almost moved to Seattle a few years ago. I loved Seattle, but I wanted to explore what was outside of Seattle. I could tell pretty quickly that the state of Washington wanted to consolidate it’s tax dollars in Seattle as much as possible to the detriment of the rest of the state that wasn’t Seattle.
You’re not wrong. It’s also not helped that they look for any excuse to cut service, like they cut service during the '08 crash, took nearly a decade to bring it back to something close to what it was, only for it to get cut back even farther during COVID. There used to be a bus between the train station and the bus station, but that got cut back in '17 for unknown reasons. Heaven forbid they actually help people with their public service.
They say they don’t want to expand the lines because nobody rides it, but that’s only because their timetables and routes are shit. The first bus goes by my neighborhood at 6:30a and it’s always packed to standing with people who start work at 9am. But I guess people being willing to stand on a bus going 50mph is “nobody”.
More tax dollars get spent where more of the taxpayers are. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Washington_population_density_2020.png
Beyond that simplification I can’t really address your point because it’s quite vague. Public transit has been a fight for a long time, in part due to loud anti-tax lobbyists and NIMBYs fighting infrastructure at every step.
And that forces you to treat people without cars as sub-human? No sympathy, or even empathy, for people who have to navigate such a landscape without one?
What does your comment have to do with what I said? I genuinely do not understand what you are trying to correlate here…
Am i supposed to WALK? What is wrong with people?
to be fair there is enough vacant homes already in a lot of the metropolises around the world. just poorly distributed.
There is a lot of vacant houses. When you narrow that down to “long term vacancies in metropolises” the number goes down , and by no small amount
so its more of a fucklandlords and fuckthehousingbubble than fuckcars really, if we look at it close enough
No, absolutely fuck cars, cars are worse than landlords… Might be a hot take but the cars and urban spread that cars allow do more damage than landlords
while i certainly think there are far more cars distributed amongst people than needed, i don’t think they should go alltogether, as they still have their usecases (certainly not a personal everyday mode of transport tho). Housing problem, on the other hand, is more immediate:
if i go to a new city, i won’t give a single smallest flying fuck about cars, if i won’t be able to find myself a place to live.
So yeah, absolutely fuck the landlords and the real estate agencies.
More immediate issue isn’t necessarily a less important or less worse issue. Cars have much greater long term impacts on the ability of a population to be restrained by debt, damage to the environment, and hurt smaller economic ecosystems that are important for robust cities and towns.
I’m not saying don’t fuck the landlords I’m saying they’re a less important issue.
let’s head back to my example:
how tf am i supposed to care about cars if i don’t have anywhere to live? A roof above your head is at the literal bottom of the Maslow pyramid, as it’s a basic need. People won’t care about anything unless those are satisfied.
So yes, homes are more important issue even if cars is your priority
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underground garage or compost them and reuse the metal for bicycles, buses, and trains
That’s the neat part
Seriously! I get that we’re in a severe housing crisis, many people can barely afford rent and the homeless population is ever expanding, but won’t anyone think of the cars?
Anyways, if you can’t afford an apartment, you can always sleep in your car! You can’t drive an apartment, checkmate liberals 😎
In your ass.
That’s the version of the Jetsons Hanna-Barbera didn’t have the balls to make. In the original version of the intro, George has a car that folds up into a briefcase-sized object, light as a feather. In the alternate universe version, it just keeps folding, then small enough that it just flies right up George’s ass. No need to carry it around. When you need it, you call to it, and it flies out and unfolds. It stays clean due to future tech. And it’s been done for so long it’s just socially considered normal. In the alternate Jetsons future, people just carry their cars right up their asses.
that’s right, into the square hole!
In a fire.
In a smelter, so they can be recycled into bikes and trains.
Underground if you really need them. In a city, a lot of people won’t need cars every day.
Maybe don’t drive in the dense urban downtown.
Commuter? Park at the park and ride in your suburb or something
We had a similar issue in Boston like 20 years ago. There was all this undeveloped land on the southern edge of downtown from closed down former port and industrial areas. Then the city wanted to redevelop it, but everyone complained about losing thousands of low cost parking spaces.
Now we see it was a good choice with an active newly developed part of the city and a couple additional subway lines. It really is better for most people to commute by train
The only real objection now is how could we have developed a new part of the city without building a subway there. Stupid bus is stupid
Outside city parking. Underground. Lots of options
In a recycling plant, cities don’t need cars
In the scrap yards
Just leave it at home or get rid of it. Buy an e-motorcycle and enjoy saving fuckloads of money long term. Even better take public transport if its available.
Recycle the materials
In a big parking lot next to a train station that brings here here
Into the car-to-bike conversion machine; FuckCars™.
A parkade?
Stapling them. In a parkade.
Big crunching machine.