same. people think they’re smarter than themselves.

I’m not a gun person so maybe I was just fooled by a video. I also probably don’t use the right terms so forgive me.

But it was awhile back; one video I saw of a guy showing how he was clearing the chamber of a pistol. Pulled it back from a full clip and counted each one. He counted 8 (which was expected for the size). Kept clearing it while nothing came out. Asked the viewer “Clear? Nope. Did you notice what’s wrong”?

Pulls the gun back to show the bullet still visually in the chamber.

Apparently it was a pistol with a recall or common issue of not correctly clearing the last round. He had an additional bullet chambered at the start so he counted the clip size but the pistol had 9 rounds initially with one still completely capable of firing at the end.

Like, he literally pulled it back and cleared it like 20 additional times. Bullet still just sitting there at the end.

Will try to find the video.

Acts and prove, acts and prove.

https://www.firearmstraining.ca/actsprove.htm

I have watched a fat dude with a beard turn a ping pong ball into an orange using nothing but a solo cup and a quick wit. I do not trust, I only verify.

I heard it stated as “always assume it’s in the least desirable state”. Unloaded can be dangerous too, like if you need it to be loaded. But that is an edge case.

I can’t tell you how many times this has saved me at checkout.

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Better way to word it is: “Treat every gun as if it is loaded”

not even myself from an hour ago! or 5 minutes ago! Every single time one is picked up it is checked

Nope, Rule #0 is: have no firearm.

Edit: americans don’t like this.

Idiots?

Edit: I wonder what comment I meant to respond to, because it certainly was not yours LOL.

Some context here: this is almost certainly a gun store, and this is going to be from the check-in station for when people come to jlhave their guns worked on, a holster fitted, or for gun sales.

I used to work an a major outdoors store and we’d have dozens of customer-owned guns come in a day, and we’d find a round in the chamber a few times a year, and we have them hell over it every time. We also had jar of shame like this one.

The worst that I experienced was when I was mounting a scope on a 300 Win Mag. The rifle was checked in up front, made it through 2 salesmen who helped them select a scope, and then to me for the mounting.

I had the customer shoulder the gun so I could find their eye position, got the appropriate mounts, and took the gun to the back and spent some time.mounting everything.

When everything was mounted properly, the optic zeroed with the bore scope (good enough to hit paper at 100 yards), and the gun ready to go I worked the action to check clearance on the bolt and a nickel-plated round was ejected. The guy at the gun check-in had seen the color of the jacket and assumed it was the magazine follower (they’re supposed to che k more thoroughly, and the next 3 of us in line did the same quick visual check and were fooled by the silver color.

My asshole was puckered for a week, and when I reported the incident to the firearm department manager he threw a shifting at everyone involved (including the customer), but let me off easy since I reported the incident and he could see how shaken I was.

But it also was a great demonstration of the importance of the rules of gun safety. Even though we all “knew” the gun was unloaded, there wasn’t any real danger since we all still treated it like it was loaded at all times.

Safety requires multiple layers. With the 4 rules (treat all guns as if they are loaded, do not point the gun at anything you aren’t willing to kill or destroy, be aware of your target and what’s behind your target, and keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire), you can screw up on any 3 of the rules without anyone being injured.

You see, we might just need to cause death at any moment, one never knows, there’s too much life around all the time. Someone’s gotta keep that in check.

I have a neighbor who appears to be schitzophrenic. He seems to think I hacked his wifi for some reason. He’s threatened me in the parking lot, assaulted another resident, and I have a video of him standing outside my bedroom window in the middle of the night, pointing at it, and swinging a baseball bat. I bought a gun. I carry it when I go to my car or the mailbox or do laundry. Because the cops didn’t do shit and I am not going to get murdered by this motherfucker.

how do you expect us to protect ourselves from other gun owners?

It’s for killing MAGA. Washington and his friends were worried people would try to create tyranny, so they made sure Americans all had guns to kill the people who do that.

I dont care if the person field strips it in front of me, the first thing im doing after they hand it to me is clearing it myself.

This kind of attitude is the exact right way to do it when safety is involved. You make it automatic, not a decision. It’s like wearing your seatbelt. It saves you time and energy while producing the best results.

Put another way: Crazy shit happens every day. You make it automatic not because you distrust the person unloading it in front of you. You do it because you shouldn’t trust yourself to be perfectly flawless in life and death situations. You do it 100% of the times that you rationally know for certain that it’s empty, so that you skip the check 0.00000% of the time that some crazy sequence of events quietly creates a dangerous situation.

I’m honestly very anti-firearms, I live in the USA and while I have met young veterans who take good care of their firearms and exhibit excellent discipline, I have met enough dangerous folk waltzing around toting firearms to flex power at best or to carry out violence at worst, (many different walks of life), that I do not want fire arms in the hands of anyone. The state already has a monopoly on violence, thigh high sock wearing lesbians on lemmy, or people who served and choose to own and carry aren’t really necessary. We’d be better off without them as a whole. And violence isn’t the absolute solution some of my peers would make it out to be.

I ask myself this everyday

I’m no expert on their citizenry, but on average, probably the same fucking shit you or I are doing.

“Well organized” “militia”

Dying, a lot

Shop worker: “Clear your weapon sir.”

Customer: “Ain’t loaded.”

Shop worker: “Sorry, store policy.”

Customer: “Fine” (clears weapon, ejects a live round) “Oops! How’d that get in there.”

Shop worker: (Puts the ejected round into the jar) “How can I help you today?”

Trying to convince each other that we’re “responsible gun owners”

Yep. When I check my rifling I do so from the back of the barrel lol.

I know to empty the breech and not just take out the magazine

It is so very important to know that there is a right order in which to do this, too. Many many NDs come from people racking the slide then dropping the mag. At least one life that I know of would have been saved by getting the order right

My rule is whenever anyone hands me a gun (why do people do that so often?) I always eject the magazine then rack the slide myself to verify. I don’t trust the other guy not to do it too fast and not to have his finger on the trigger

I taught my kids never to touch a gun unless the owner cleared it in front of them and showed them the empty chamber.

Can a bullet fire just from a dryer? Wouldn’t that mean firearms would be randomly discharging in people cars in hot places like Arizona? Or is it somehow sparking or something from beating against the dryer like buttons from jeans or coveralls?

Asking because I never knew that was a thing lol

I see a .22 LR below the “in.”