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But hogwarts legacy is actually a really good game, the whole problem was that it might lead to jk rowling getting more money. Though they never did clarify if she got a cut or a flat fee that would have already been paid. Either way, this should nullify that, but the team that made the game did a great job, and made it more in-line with the spirit of the books instead of the author. Went specifically against her current wishes. The trans inclusion and positivity was pretty well done. Even if it was put in to spite her, they didn’t draw attention to it, it just is there, and no one bats an eye.
Edit: I should mention that I played it in VR, I can’t speak to what the game is like without VR. But I really enjoyed it. UEVR with a motion controls mod, there is also a voice casting mod, but I didn’t personally go that route.
Even if she doesn’t get a direct payment per copy sold, which I’m not sure I believe considering you know her negotiating power, there are still benefits for her. Increasing the brand increases future payments. Increases her bargaining power later on. And I’m sure allows her more creative control which means that any trans inclusion would probably be nullified in future projects.
Maybe it’s a good game, but at a certain point you got to nut up or shut up. Are you going to take a stand and boycott something or not? Yeah you miss out on things with your boycott, that’s the point. If you’re not willing to sacrifice at all, and we’re talking a very minimal sacrifice here aren’t we, then what are you even doing?
Though why we are even talking about paying for it I don’t quite understand. There’s always other ways.
You are certainly allowed to boycott it for the principle, that’s perfectly fine. But calling the game shit (Screenshot) just because it’s from harry potter and attacking the devs and it’s players was not warranted at all. I am obviously not implying you or OP did but many people did that and called it a boycott, that’s what I didn’t like. And a disclaimer, I am also not a harry potter fan, never tried the game myself and absolutely hate the author. Just felt bad for the game devs.
attacking the devs and it’s players was not warranted at all.
Nobody was attacked just for playing the game, people were only attacked for talking about or streaming the game. Word of mouth is the most effective form of marketing, and we only wanted to stop the word of mouth marketing. If you played the game and didn’t tell anyone, nobody attacked you.
Which is just as bad lol. Feel free to boycott people for streaming it or giving it publicity if you truly think it matters, but personally attacking them over giving a spinoff of an already extremely famous persons work that actively disagrees with the main reason everyone hates said person a slight bit of exposure is honestly unhinged.
You probably cause more harm by buying a single product on amazon than by buying and streaming hogwarts legacy.
This is like voting for US Republicans like, “what, Trump already controls the country and this dude disagrees with him.”
Rowling has said that (1) she will spend all HP profits on hurting trans people and (2) she registers all HP support as support for her agenda.
Citation needed on that last paragraph
It would be minus the part where the entire republican platform is unhinged far right shit so I’d judge people for that.
1 I and likely the vast majority of people have never seen stated anywhere because I prefer my sanity intact by not following everything some terf says (and I’d agree that is a better reason to not buy it, though I’d still say she’s almost a billionaire anyway so a lot of other things people do have just as bad of an impact), 2 is honestly just delusion on her part and kind of irrelevant, she would find different reasons to continue her bs.
Also to be clear saying “I think you streaming this game is morally wrong” to a creator you already watch/in other relevant contexts is of course completely fine, harrassment is not.
I have to disagree, it wasn’t a particularly good game. Everything felt off. I was days into the game and it felt like I was still doing tutorial missions. Basic mechanics weren’t unlocked until 3 quarters through the game. And I can’t imagine it has much replayability at all beyond trying to hunt down every trinket.
It never granted you the feeling of being a wizard or whatever made Harry Potter special, it made Wizards feel ridiculous. 90% of the game is spamming a generic unnamed “attack” spell
Ah, I should probably mention that I played it in VR with motion controls, so combat was alot more fun than what the flat version of the game probably did. And just riding a broom or looking around at the really detailed environments(those that were) was worth it being very videogamey otherwise.
Isn’t the game about putting down a Jewish slave rebellion?
No, no, they are goblins not Jews. By the end of 10th grade this 16 year old has killed like 1000 goblins and 1000 “dark” wizards, all extrajudicial, and everyone is just like “good job on your homework”. It’s pretty fucked up.
Hook nosed greedy goblins who control the banks, huh? I’m sorry, I was clearly mistaken. I’m sure there’s no subtext in that.
Wow did you just say Jews are greedy, bank controlling, hook-nosed people? What a racist.
I do actually wonder where the nose thing came from tbh. I know some people who do but I wouldn’t say that group is prominently Jewish. I know the bank stuff is historical and caused by oppression then used by oppressors to further opress.
It comes from Nazi propaganda IIRC. Specifically a piece on how to identify a Jew.
Oh well that’s extra messed up
Not only that, but it also makes reference to multiple attempted genocides against Jews with the dates of other goblin rebellions and item descriptions such as a Jewish religious horn being described as a “goblin war horn used to annoy wizards” that is filled specifically with a non-Kosher type of cheese.
Then there’s also the fact that the lead dev resigned from the project after it came out that he ran a white supremacist YouTube channel, and made a statement about how he “felt at home” with the other people working on the game.
It’s an insanely boring game with no depth. To each their own, but calling it a “really good game” is as much of a stretch as calling it “shit”. To me it felt like a Hogwarts walking simulator with a bunch of basic unrelated minigames stuck onto it, marketed as an open world action rpg. The combat was insulting.
Yeah it feels very unfinished. The whole South of the map is completely unused, and they clearly cut quidditch last minute.
It’s almost like people can have different opinions on things.
Oh wow, who knew. The whole thread simply shouldn’t exist then.
really good game
Yeah no
I too wish I could do more fetch quests with barely a story holding them together.
I don’t agree. It’s not a good game. The only reason people may think it’s good is because it’s Harry Potter stuff. It’s yet another boring open world game about wasting your time.
It was alright at the beginning in Hogwarts, but the open world segments, which are most of the game, suck. I think the biggest most glaring thing that shows they’re just copying other formulas to waste your time is the lockpicking. They have a spell to open locks, but for some reason it has a lockpicking mini game you have to complete? Not only that, but the person who teaches the spell is the groundskeeper?
There’s bones of an interesting game there, but they decided to make it yet another bland open world game that’s mostly empty. The entire point of 90% of the game is to just extend how long you’re playing it, which is bad design. They should create content you want to play, not boring crap they need to try to trick you into playing by making the game worse until you do it.
It’s probably a fine game for console players who only ever play boring AAA slop like Ubisoft games. They’ve accepted this garbage as normal. For me though, I resented my time with it. I’m a fairly big Harry Potter fan (as much as I hate to admit) but I hated my time wasted on the game.
Yeah, my wife got it super cheaply on PS4 (so if JKR got anything, it would be about 2¢) and enjoyed the game a lot … she’s gender nonconforming, and played using the male-coded body model with female-coded hair which looked like pleasantly non-binary combo :-)
Yeah, my sister was pretty reluctant at first, she is ACE and wanted to support the boycott, but then when the game was basically a slap in the face to rowling, and rowling was trying to tank the game by tweeting that buying the game still supported her anyway, we took that as meaning that she actually wasn’t making residuals on it or she would have just shut her mouth and raked in the money like normal.
I played the game in VR myself, but my sister played it flat screen. We both enjoyed the game. It is definitely very “videogamey” but, been playing videogames for over 30 years, so that is nothing new. The parts that were new to us were worth the parts that weren’t.
It is a good game but I despise that they axed mod support to advertise crappy mods downloadable in game. This could’ve been the next Skyrim if they embraced it. Very disappointing.
Just pirate. Do not inflate Epic Games’ numbers. All corporations are evil, but I think we can all agree that Tim Sweeney is leagues above Gabe Newell in terms of being an utter piece of shit.
Want to support the developers? Guess what. They already got the money from Epic, so whether or not you claim the game doesn’t make a difference. And even if it did, none of that would go towards the actual devs.
JK Rowling has openly said that she also sees piracy as an endorsement of her fascist views. She looks at the download numbers and thinks to herself “trans women have finally lost”
Like she knows how.
she has market research companies doing that for her, she’s a billionaire
We can’t let the anti-trans black mold win.
that sounds real “let us see if i can convince them not giving me money makes me win”
the paid option:
or just buy it on Steam with a discount,will supports both developers and Valve depending on the price.The point is not to buy it because Rowling is a piece of shit. A penny in her pocket is too much.
Unfortunately we’ve already lost. Even if she had no investments and had to live off her current billions she’d still be able to inject £100,000 of caviar and racehorse semen (oh sorry, printer ink is actually more valuable) into her veins every night and still be good for the next 30+ years. In one sense, whether she makes money off you or not changes nothing because she’ll still be able to fund all the anti trans shit she wants with her current empire.
Billionaires are a mistake of society and she’s a garbage person but whether one person or 500,000 people buy Hogwarts is quite literally meaningless to her wealth because she already won capitalism.
So? Don’t support fascists. Don’t try to justify with bullshit like “we already lost”
so one of the gals at lesbian board game night really enjoys the potterverse. there was no way she wasn’t playing HogLeg. our group’s solution was to buy one copy of the game but share it, and let our extended friends groups know so we could share the one copy between like 50 people.
Reminder that
- Epic Games, unlike Steam, is subsidizing sales. So instead your own money, it’s some Chinese oligarch’s money, that will go into Joanne Karen Rowling’s TERF war chest, who’re betting on Epic instead of Steam.
- Joanne is also anti-porn, and Collective Shout are TERFs, so there’s a good chance that the TERF war chest also funds the war on porn, and by extension, war on human self-expression.
Free transphobic merch is still transphobic merch
The worst thing about the antisemitic, transphobic wizard game: it’s extremely mid.
Joke is, I might actually grab it for free. So long as Rowling isn’t profiting from it, I don’t actively hate HP (despite its bad worldbuilding and unsubtle racism 😬). Especially that iirc there were a few small things in the game kinda flipping off Rowling, so the devs working on it probably didn’t like her either.
I’m trans, and HP was a big part of my childhood, then Rowling got brain-mould and somewhat ruined it retroactively (tbh even before her current TERF saga she kept tweeting bollocks, like that whole “wizards used to shit in the corner and magic it away” thing 🤢)
She absolutely is profiting from it.
When a game is “free” the publisher isn’t just donating it for funzies. Either Epic pays them (Epic is spending money to get people to its platform) or the publisher is using the game to advertise other games, which has value to them.
Epic pays the publisher a flat fee for permission to distribute the game for free for the week.
Your individual download doesn’t give Rowling any less or more, but shows support for her IP, and tells epic they made a good decision to support her.
I’ve heard great things about the game, but for me the download does support Rowling, so it’s a hard pass.
Its an okay game, its built in the same skin as dragon age inquisition. The story is okay, it feels dated though. I liked exploring and collecting stuff but they make you wait until half way through the story to be able to open certain doors, so you have to go back later.
I never finished it, it felt very repetitive after a short while. The combat is super boring.
if you’re gonna play it, just remember that your teacher dies at the end and can’t be saved, and that rockwood is the one that cursed anne
For those worried these are actually spoilers, keep in mind this is a game for children which adapts the book series in to a bunch of fetch quests and Farmville stuff. All the plot points are pretty much predictable from the get go. Snape kills Dumbledore.
Hogwarts legacy isn’t based on the books plot?
Am I missing the joke?
No it’s not, but it is a chosen one story with story progression tied to traditional seasonal holidays, scenes and battles replicating key events from the books, and a mentor whose sacrifice triggers the defeat of the big bad and the conclusion of the story.
I’m not saying every plot point is predictable, but the “oh wow the key was a portkey and saved us from being killed” was predictable long before the dragon appeared and it doesn’t really get more complex from there.
No it’s not, but it is a chosen one story with story progression tied to traditional seasonal holidays, scenes and battles replicating key events from the books, and a mentor whose sacrifice triggers the defeat of the big bad and the conclusion of the story.
I’m not saying every plot point is predictable, but the “oh wow the key was a portkey and saved us from being killed” was predictable long before the dragon appeared and it doesn’t really get more complex from there.
With knowing nothing about the game’s plot, why do I need to remember these things?
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Be careful if you download this game your computer will blow up if you make your character trans by swapping them for witch or wizard
I love how ‘it’s free’ became a whole genre of advertising.
Isn’t that the game where you can be a douchebag in every single dialogue option and people still end up being your friend with NO change in story whatsoever?
The dialogue options presented are “overly courteous” or “neutral”
The worst thing you can say are things like “don’t mess with me” or “I have to report you for that”
oh nice. I love HL. will let some friends know they can grab it for free.
Was very mid, felt like a ubisoft game.
I hope you find another game you like.
Man you ain’t lying. Fun game but you’re right it was pretty mid. I will say the opening “tutorial” was very cool
It was fun in the beginning, running around Hogwarts is cool, Hogsmead looks very pretty. But the rest of the world is just boring and I suppose the story is enough for a game but nowhere near the books. I finished it once, had a lot of fun, tried to play through a second time and made it halfway through before giving up.
After I got my broom it took literally all wonder and playability out of the game for me. So I got maybe 10-15 hours out of it. Thankfully I didn’t pay for it, it’s in my family library on steam.
Although those first few minutes on the school broom in flying class flying around Hogwarts was fantastic.
I’ve never understood the hate for Epic Games Store. Without Epic cross platform gaming would have never happened on consoles.
Yeah dude is a twat and has some shitty opinions but the same people who bitch about him will whine and moan about Gabe Newell having yachts.
I really just don’t understand it.
If you don’t want anyone to make money from games then that leaves no money left to develop games.
In fact, epic charges less than half of the listing fee for devs and publishers than any other service that lists games. (They lose money doing this, but they still do it).
Just really odd behavior in my opinion. People find anything to divide themselves over.
The store behaves like malware, with stuff running as root in the background all the time mining your personal information, and constantly keeps re-enabling ad popups even when I disable them. At least the uninstaller works.
I run it through Heroic and it doesn’t have root access at all. In fact my entire gaming profile doesn’t have root access to the rest of the machine which is recommended for anything gaming related even steam.
If you’re talking about on Windows then you’re already running Malware in the form of Windows OS, to be honest. But since you said root I’m assuming you mean on Linux.
Sure, but you realize how niche that is right? Like Heroic is literally less than .1% of Epic users.
That’s fair but anyone can run it that way without it having root access, even on Windows.
It’s because epic store launched with “exclusive access” being a “perk” to attract users. I fucking hate that shit in the TV/Movie space so I decided to not support it.
Also, using that as an opening move suggested that they’d enshitify as soon as they have the market power to do so.
Plus their anti-linux stance. Not just not supporting the shift to linux but specifically against it by removing support that was previously there. And they killed off the UT franchise to be sure it wouldn’t compete with Fortnite.
Even the reduced commission rate just seems like a play to build market share to be abused.
Meanwhile, the biggest negative I’ve seen from valve is cosmetic lootboxes that you can ignore by not playing their games or not buying lootboxes if you do.
It supporting Gaben into billionairehood isn’t great but he’s one of the few that makes things better by still being around (because who knows if the next one(s) in control will sell out or not). Plus, with him already being a billionaire, MS can’t change his course by throwing money at him.
Plus their anti-linux stance. Not just not supporting the shift to linux but specifically against it by removing support that was previously there
unreal engine is on linux and has been for a while AFAIK.
Last I checked while it was available it’s normally tightly integrated with the Epic Games Store (for things like assets I think?) And that’s not on Linux so I have no clue how it works.
right, but it’s not a cut and dry company wide “stance”.
I’m not pro epic, Sweeny made some shitty statements, etc.
Steam also provides a lot more than just a store front for devs at that price, including customer support, multiplayer servers, anticheat, and forums and other social features.
Epic also launched their store without a shopping cart (you had to buy everything as individual transactions) and put new, unreleased games up for sale at up to 50% off without permission from the devs during their first sales event, amongst other things. Like buying multiplatform games to ensure that they only launched on the Epic store. Nobody liked it when Ubisoft, EA, Blizzard, or Rockstar tried that exclusivity crap with their own launchers/storefronts, and they don’t like that Epic does it either.
Dude is a twat and his opinions unfortunately drive Epic’s policies. People hated Steam when it first launched as well, but Valve as a company has consistently worked to put customer value and rights as a selling point of their products, and people appreciate them for that. Beyond Steam as a sales platform, they’ve been a driving force in other parts of the industry such as VR and Linux gaming.
put new, unreleased games up for sale at up to 50% off without permission from the devs during their first sales event
Holy shit I did not know that that definitely deserves some serious hate in that case.
The exclusivity stuff I get the hate for a little but PS and Xbox and Nintendo did the same thing for a couple decades but it still doesn’t make it right that they did either. But I do get it a bit.
I do prefer Steam and love what they do for Linux the steam deck is one of my favorite toys. But if I see something for cheaper on Epic than on steam I’ll always go for the cheaper option but some people act like epic doesn’t even exist as an option which I get a little more now after seeing some of these things you mentioned the forcing devs games into sales without permission is super fucked up.
When it comes to Epic, a quote from the great Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of many beloved Nintendo icons, comes to mind: “A delayed game is eventually good. A rushed game is bad forever.” First impressions are incredibly important and trust is a hell of a lot harder to gain than to lose, and Epic not only made a bad first impression but they also kept doing things that people generally disliked.
IIRC, the sale on unreleased games was only some big AAA titles, but not only was it scummy, it also was clearly a part of a larger strategy that Epic was using to try to force people to use their store rather than actively compete with Steam. They had nowhere near the number of features Steam has, the store was difficult and frustrating to use, and the launcher was performance hungry as well as acting similar to malware - it checks through your internet browser’s history for one thing (or used to, I haven’t touched it since it launched).
People disliked exclusives even when they were relegated only to consoles, and the lack of exclusivity was a selling point of PC gaming for a long time (until every publisher under the sun tried to wall off their titles behind their own launchers and stores, and people hated that as well). But the big sin Epic made was when they bought out devs who had plans to release on Steam and demanded that they pull their games off of Steam - sometimes for a period of a year, sometimes permanently. These were games that people had paid for, either through preorders or as backers for Kickstarter funding or something.
And then you get into some of the more…beliefs and values side of the system. Where Valve has made a stand against NFT and AI games to general applause, Epic has embraced them and the store has filled with all the things that gamers expected to see as a result of those: asset flips and scams. They’re already an issue on Steam, but keeping NFTs and AI off the platform has mitigated some of it by eliminating some of the tools that make it even easier to make them than it ever was before. I believe they also got in some hot water with devs around the same time that Unity did for some policy change that negatively affected people using Unreal as their game engine (that they later backed down on).
at that price
But Epic’s whole pitch was that they take a much smaller cut
Yeah, but it’s not a 1 to 1 comparison like people like to make it out to be. Valve takes a higher percentage but offers more for that higher price.
Yeah dude is a twat and has some shitty opinions but the same people who bitch about him will whine and moan about Gabe Newell having yachts.
they are being fair and consistent.
Odd then that most of them that hate on epic still recommend to use Steam instead.
Some say GOG, which is also owned by millionaires.
I’m failing to see the consistency.
You like gaming on linux through Proton layer?
Thank Valve for funding its development.
Yes and I have said the same thing in other comments before.
What about my comments made you think I don’t like or support steam?
I said that people complain about the epic games guy but also whine and moan about Gabe having yachts. Then you said they are being consistent and I said well when they recommend to use other millionaire/billionaires platforms that is not being consistent that is hating on a specific platform for the same things other platforms do (have rich people run them)
I’m confused about what you are defending or against here.
You can see in my comment history I have said the same thing you just said before to people anti steam. I love steam, and what it does for Linux.
But that doesn’t mean I’m against epic either.
Do you like cross platform gaming? Thank epic.
Hating on one but defending the other is exactly what I said doesn’t make any sense. Every successful gaming company is going to have millionaires. So when I said, people hate on epic but then complain that Gabe has yachts but still tell people to use steam over epic that doesn’t make any sense and is the opposite of consistent.
Are you sure those are same people having all these stances simultaneously?
Gamers are extremely toxic nowadays. it used to be less public. now they just rage at everything constantly. and in certain circles, its expected behavior.
lemmy gamers tend to be extremely anti-Epic Games even though there’s some really good deals on there.
More likes here! Surely feddy way connect platforms?
Misskey?
They have no idea
I don’t get it. It’s actually a fun game.
it supports a TERF
Even if you download it for free?
The whole IP is dead to me. It won’t get any of my attention, free or not.
I think the Map of the castle is absolutely exceptional and there’s a lot of attention to detail.
The main storyline is enjoyable enough, although I wish there was more of a push-back if you choose to use the unforgivable curses. They’re meant to be unforgivable and yet you pretty much get a “oh I wish you wouldn’t do that” when you straight up torture an enemy in front of an NPC.
The main letdown for me is that outside of the castle, a lot of the game feels somewhat empty. It’s not like Skyrim where you go out into the world and you’re always finding little things spread out everywhere that piques your interest. It feels like there’s not much reason to venture out from the castle or Hogsmeade unless a mission explicitly tells you to.
Overall though I do think it’s decent.
It’s pretty middling tbh. I played it last year when it was on PSPlus. Certainly couldn’t see a reason for all the hype it got on launch. I assume HP fans are just starved of new content.
The gameplay is OK, but there’s a lot of dicking about swapping spells, it’s too damn long, and honestly not worth your time for a full playthrough. It’s a very standard open world, go to the map icons, do the minigames affair. If you’ve played games in the last ten years, you’ll know exactly what to expect. They’ve made a game for kids that will be played mostly by people who are now adults.
Oh. So G*mers hate the obvious transphobic, antisemitic, racist nostalgia bait.
Because it’s free on Epic.
Fuck G*mers.
It’s antisemitic? I haven’t finished it yet, or maybe I’m just dense, but how is it antisemitic? And isn’t Sirona trans? And I’ve met at least one openly gay married couple in game too.
I don’t want to be defensive of something bad or to demean your opinion, I just want to understand this point of view since you aren’t the first person I’ve seen express it.
People say that because goblins in the HP universe are commonly depicted as working for a bank, and because they have large pointy noses similar to how Jewish people get caricatured, HP is anti-Semitic.
I see what they mean, but in fairness there’s a lot more nuance than angry commenters let on.
Goblins have been depicted as being short and pointy-nosed for centuries, or possibly even longer. It’s not really a Harry Potter thing. That’s just what goblins are usually depicted like.
Similarly, goblins have been depicted for a long time - similar to dwarves in folklore - as expert miners, fond of jewels and precious metals that they dig up, and also as expert craftsmen.
I’m not really sure where the “goblins are traders” thing came from, the earliest reference I can find to that is Christina Rossetti’s Goblin Market poem from the 1860s, and writers seem to have run with it from there.
It does follow that creatures who mine for precious things and are expert craftsmen would be proficient in trade. So to me it makes complete sense why a writer would say “ok, I want to put goblins into my modern setting fantasy novel, where should they be? Oh! They can work in a magical bank, that makes sense! Oh, and let’s make it so that the Goblins were the ones who originally crafted the sword of Griffindor, that makes sense too!”
So I’m going to go against the grain a bit and say that I find it plausible goblins were written with no intent to compare them to Jews. I think JKR wrote goblins the way almost everyone else did.
She is undeniably hateful of trans people, though. Yes, Hogwarts Legacy does have trans characters, but that’s something JKR was unhappy about. She’s said she doesn’t care about the game at all and that she doesn’t think of it as hers. There’s been speculation that she got paid a lump sum up front rather than ongoing royalties, but I’m not sure it’s confirmed.
I mean, I know about the “bankers” depiction in HarryPotha being a caricature.
