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I still think it would have been a better ending if the white walkers killed everyone and took over. Just stepping over bodies of favorite characters as they get seated on the iron throne.
Like the red wedding or the end of season 1…
That would have been a shit ending. But you are right, it would have been much better than we got.
I think it could have been done well if you had the conflict from Danerys and Cersei basically leave humanity open to the whitewalkers invasion. Essentially set up the fall of man due to a power struggle.
Would have worked a bit with the overall narrative that the game of thrones doesn’t matter if there is nothing left to claim at the end.
I would have preferred that. The shit behind the wall was the boogeyman the entire time and we got what? A bullshit pitch black raid on winter fell?
A gigantic army of ice undead that all…just crumbles with the poke of one needle. Her killing the ice king, sure, but at least let us see the white army come across the wall and Winter actually Comes. The whole army disintegrating was massively underwhelming.
The massive narrative cluster fuck for multiple seasons was underwhelming.
Oh for sure but at that point you’re pot committed…Battle of the Bastards was about the best fight scene we got
Sigh. I was committed.
Then I guess it’s a good thing they didn’t bother to produce more episodes past season 5.
There was a season 5? Don’t remember it
That CANNOT be a real picture of them all group reading the script for the first time…
There is actual video of the full cast reading the script, specifically the ‘final interaction’ between John Snow and Daenerys. It looks real to me.
I do not understand why fools rush these things and ruin good things. You’re holding a gold mine and put it through a paper shredder for what?
We live in the age of everything behind a subscription, the people without talent will always try to take a good thing and burn it for a buck. Trying to understand them is like trying to understand why people voted for a man in a diaper, trice.
At the time rumor was that the Benioff and Weiss were already working on their next show (3-body problem?), and just wanted to get GoT out of the way.
IIRC they were tied to something Star Wars related, which they subsequently lost. It was the tiniest consolation for GoT fans as it did nothing to un-ruin the show.
I remember hearing that too. There was a rumor from the production staff that almost all the producers were talking about on set was their next project.
Because they wanted to work on Star Wars, but this was such a flop Disney pulled the deal
They were bored and thought they would just take a piss all over it to get to their lucrative star wars deal.
…HBO was? Weren’t they, like, the bosses?
The show runners.
It was complete bullshit
Script was garbage but that did not happen.
It’s deceptively worded, because it kinda happened (at least according to Clarke).
From https://ew.com/tv/2019/05/19/game-thrones-finale-interview-emilia-clarke/
“What, what, what, WHAT!?” the actress recalls thinking. “Because it comes out of f—king nowhere. I’m flabbergasted. Absolutely never saw that coming.”
“I cried,” Clarke says. “And I went for a walk. I walked out of the house and took my keys and phone and walked back with blisters on my feet. I didn’t come back for five hours. I’m like, ‘How am I going to do this?’”
She never says she dislikes the script and makes it clear that she found the story surprising and emotional. Which is true, the story is surprising (not in a good way, but it is surprising) and for her character it is full of emotion.
Much better.
IIRC correctly, they were so checked out, working on potential future projects (that were also fucking terrible), that they had most of the work passed off to others?
Honestly though, I blame the author. GOT was great until they ran out of source material. Then you saw how terrible D&D really are at this. MF still hasn’t finished the series. If you can’t finish it, then don’t fucking start it.
Maybe Sanderson can pick up the mantle for this one too.
Not to disagree on the topic but “if you can’t finnish it, don’t start it” is absolutely horrible advice when its about a creative art like writing.
If i am not wrong there is a whole writing style about just starting without knowing yourself where its going to end.
I highly dislike capitalism but i can see that once you have enough material to sell some of it, even if incomplete as a series. Many people would take the opportunity. I don’t know the authors economic background but for a starving artist with high potential that first book sales could be the push required to finish a series.
I blame capitalism, both for putting artists in this position and for the disrespect of big media towards their own content quality. Its always the money must flow, at every cost!
Even without capitalism I prefer having been able to read the existing books without an ending over not being able to read any of them. I can get some enjoyment from the journey even without a destination
Look at it this way.
He was clearly starting to stall in his later books, taking so long to get them out, and instead of starting to wrap up the storyline, he started introducing new elements.
I understand why he hasn’t moved forward, but I’ve lost all interest in ever picking up another book of his. The terrible writing by D&D certainly didn’t help.
My feelings of frustration are valid and my criticism is not unfounded.
I do appreciate your thoughtful response, thank you
If you have a problem with unfinished works, don’t ingest them until they’re finished. The artist doesn’t owe you anything.
I didn’t say anything remotely close to saying artists owed me anything. Dude bit off more than he can chew.
I have a right to be frustrated when I’m invested in a story and it just stops.
Similarly he had a right to not finish the book- what you don’t have is a right to tell other people what to do.
If you can’t finish it, then don’t fucking start it.
This is neither a simple expression of frustration nor is it a criticism.
It is a command.
Hence why you’re being called entitled.
You need to let it go, or get over whatever this weird outrage this is that you are having.
I can feel however I want, you don’t get to gatekeep that.
I didn’t tell George RR Martin to do anything. I said a line on a social media forum.
You are choosing to take my words in the way you are describing and not in the way I intended. That is a form of manipulation and gas lighting. Especially after I clarified.
Who called me entitled? I guess I missed that. That’s a weird take, whoever said it.
You need to let it go, or get over whatever this weird outrage this is that you are having.
You don’t have a right to command me, either. Lol.
“You need…”
Is not a command…
You keep placing false intent and meaning. That is a form of manipulation and gas lighting.
If it’s not a command, what is it? A warning? Why do I need to let “it” go? Get over what weird outrage? Why do I need to do any of these things? Why are you telling me I need to do this? It is a command, stop trying to gaslight me into thinking I’m gaslighting you.
You are the one who is outraged. People told you that your reason for being angry is because you had an unfair expectation. You are welcome to try and manipulate the realities of the situation as you like, but that is what happened.
You keep placing false intent and meaning. That is a form of manipulation and gas lighting.
Incredibly weird and hilariously ironic.
That’s a wild take on writing lmao. If you’re not sure the author will finish it, don’t start reading it.
I think they meant don’t start adapting an unfinished property. A certain transphobic author had issues because the studios really needed her to finish books 5, 6, and 7, so they could hit their schedule of 1 movie per year for 8 years.
Edit: based on replies from the original commenter it seems that your interpretation was correct.
You could at least come up with a response that already hasn’t been said several times.
They were fucking it up well before they ran out of source material. See: the confected drama of bran and Jon almost meeting North of the wall
Sanderson would be god awful at completing it and has specifically said he wouldn’t.
I vote Joe Abercrombie, their style is more similar imo and given direction from GRRM’s notes I think he could finish it much better than the show did.
Thank the gods, Sanderson’s writing is trash.
Sanderson is a bad pick and has said himself that he can’t do grimdark. Just because he’s prolific doesn’t mean he should be the de facto pick to finish series.
Man the Sanderson hate in this post is real.
I only suggested him because he helped finish the Wheel of Time series.
Don’t hate him, he’s one of my favorite authors. He was approached to finish WoT because he was a good fit. He is not a good fit for ASoIaF
I mean, to be clear, it was HBO’s show, yeah? Those writers worked for HBO, not the other way around?
I don’t know how actors contracts etc. work, so I am genuinely curious. Is refusing not an option for them? Surely most of these actors already have enough money…
It would also have penalties for breaking the contract which could be very high, plus if you tank a major production without good reason your career is probably over
Although here’s hoping Nick Frost does the right thing.
Are you referring to him playing Hagrid?
Correct.
He’s already signed onto the role fully knowing who JK is. I don’t think he’s going to suddenly come around.
Can you elaborate?
They’d get sued most likely
I could never get into it. Felt to much like LOTR combined with softcore pron. I have had regrets over time, and even tried the first but again, but it just didn’t gel with me
When the final dropped I was relieved, I wouldn’t have to catch up ever again.
And here’s me: I haven’t even seen series 1-7! I saw a bit of one episode but changed channels when I saw one of the props was poorly made out of Styropor:-(
I saw up to season 3, maybe 4. I stopped because nothing happened.
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Dragon lady was still in desert towns.
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The wall was still snowy with no sign of zombies.
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Someone tried to take over a town but failed, so nothing changed.
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Lots of people got murdered at a wedding without any effect on the plot.
The small girl training to be an assassin was interesting, but done better in Hanna or Leon.
This is an insane take. Literally so much happens in the first three seasons. Maybe it happens at a more realistic pace than most stories unfold, but that is one of the great things about the series and one of the main things the creators fucked up in the latter half, so maybe you should give it a shot.
I saw about 20 hours of very watchable TV. I did enjoy it. But in terms of progress towards something it just felt, empty. Mysteries that were set up had not yet paid off, and I felt no closer to any answer.
I’ve been burned before with Lost and Heroes. I decided to wait until it had concluded before picking it up again.
Fair enough lol
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Watched it last year, I quite liked the ending. I did feel some “let’s get this over with” energy, but the ending fit the characters and I can’t say there was anything to break my suspension of disbelief.
I really disliked Daenerys from the start (so I’m biased here) and her “madness” just ramped up rather than came out of nowhere for me.
They did botch Aryas storyline somewhat, which was disappointing, but it didn’t ruin my experience.
Coming into this show all I knew was characters die and everyone hated the ending. When I finished it I didn’t understand what people disliked so much. Yes it was rushed, but I can’t say it was bad. The show had to end and without the source material rather sooner than later. My opinion might’ve been different if I watched the show as it aired (there could’ve been more investment in the story from my side).
Who cares. Get over it.
No way, someone should be doing a documentary on this. The failure was too epic to forget.
Agreed. Imagine having arguably the biggest piece of media going, with endless potential for merchandise, spinoffs etc. and deciding to just rush through the end, ruin any lasting legacy, and cost yourself future work. And for what? The hope of moving onto the next project sooner? The next project that you were then let go from due to the colossal failure of your last project. It’s fascinating in a way.
It’s absolutely amazing how such a massive show with a huge fanbase completely tapped into the story managed to fuck it up so hard that literally everyone stopped talking about it immediately after the finale. It takes garbage writing of epic proportions to make every single one of your viewers wish they’d never seen your show.
I’d seen shows blow their stories before but never one with the amount of money and talent this one had.
The correct take
