Okay, we need the actual “tweet” of Omar and the RNC Research “tweet” in an archive form. Is xcancel working for everyone else? I know it’s a lot to ask, so everyone else, please help. Everyone has an hour.
her tweet is here:
ilhan
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Thank ye
The headline is written that way because Omar’s full statement was:
The leader of the Pedophile Protection Party is trying to deflect attention from his name being all over the Epstein files.
At least in Somalia they execute pedophiles not elect them.
Kumar is lying by omission to make the joke work.
Plus, she said “In Somalia, they…” and he quoted her as saying “In Somalia, we…”
Good catch. So many layers of propaganda it’s hard to notice and resist them all.
Nevertheless, “RNC Research[sic]” is answering to “Pedophile Protection Party.” They could have claimed they aren’t protecting pedophiles and so it must have been referring to some other party and not them, but that’s not the part of the statement they’re objecting to.
Since you put it in scare quotes, here’s what RNC Research is. (MS NOW is an openly biased opinion source, but it shouldn’t take a lot of convincing that this is an obvious MAGA propaganda account.)
Anyway, the MAGA propaganda account that is RNC Research is answering to the full Omar quote, which is transparently directed at Trump. I’m not going to abide the doublethink of “Mainstream media needs to stop letting Trump and the far-right skirt responsibility for their statements by dressing them up in plausible deniability; they need to state what he’s obviously, actually saying” (they do, and I see that sentiment here all the time) and “Wow, this account is calling Trump a pedophile by cutting through the plausible deniability speak and acknowledging who literally everyone knows Omar meant when she said this.”
Even if I were somehow delusional enough at this point to think Trump is not a child rapist, it’s still trivially obvious who Omar means, and pretending otherwise is grossly disingenuous. You don’t inherently have to believe an insult to recognize who’s being insulted.
It’s still incorrect of them to say that representative Omar called for Trump’s execution. She said “At least in Somalia they execute pedophiles” and then RNC Research changed it to “At least in Somalia we execute pedophiles.” Also, her point isn’t that Trump should be executed, but that Trump should be punished rather than rewarded by being elected president and given the power to protect pedophiles like himself
I mean it’s a good idea.
Eh, there are definitely pedophiles who will never touch a child or consume CSAM. People who have an attraction to children should be allowed to seek help without fear of being killed.
A decent chunk of sex crimes are motivated by exerting power over the weak, rather than sexual attraction.
But the second they harm a child or consume CSAM, execution is warranted.
Sorry I was responding to “Ilhan Omar calls to execute president Trump”.
People who seek help and don’t abuse anyone are ok.
If I’m being absolutely fair, I can also see how, if a pedophile knows that they are caught being a pedophile that the death penalty is assured, then there is the chance that they will simply kill their victims because there is a chance that they will simply get life in prison instead of being executed for their crimes.
Maybe as an alternative, the person who commits pedophilia loses everything they own to their victim. Trump would no longer be a billionaire, he would be a poor schmuck that used to have a TV show that literal tens of millions of Americans despise to their very soul.
Pedophilia isn’t a verb, though. My point was that there is a difference between someone attracted to children and a child rapist (even though it makes me feel gross to make the point). Being attracted to children doesn’t mean you’ll ever act on that attraction.
Without them harming children or consuming material whose production harmed children, punishing them is basically punishing thought crime. I think everyone who wants to get help so they never do it should be able to.
But I do agree that the death penalty could have the effect you described. I love your solution.
Execution is barbaric. Lock them up instead. Let’s be better than the lowest common dominator.
If the system actually rehabilitated them, sure. However, all it will do is allow them to continue to exert power from within a room which they will quickly walk free from. Now if they froze all the funds associated with the person, maybe it’d be fine, but that’s not what the current system does.
I didn’t realize how ambiguous my comment was, but I was thinking of the headline, not Omar’s comment.
If we made it a new rule that if you commit pedophilia, you die, I don’t think many people are gonna cry about that.
I would absolutely cry about it. Who are you trusting to enforce the death penalty? The same people who are 1) in government, and 2) accuse queer people of being groomers?
Even without arguing over whether the state would abuse/abuses the death penalty, there’s the fact that the punishment is irreversible, which in the event of a mistake means you execute an innocent person.
Yep. The only way to justify the death penalty in a system we know for a fact convicts people we later prove to be innocent is to be ok with executing some innocent people.
I’m very comfortable saying that even a single innocent person killed by the state is too high a cost to pay.
I wish that were true but aggregate polling like RealClearPolitics still puts Trump’s approval above 40%.
Depends on who gets to make the ruling.
Subscribed to a [whatever]Moe community on Lemmy? Straight to the firing squad.
I wouldn’t cry about pedophiles specifically, but I am against the death penalty in general.
Republicans: So by making a pedophile president, we are the opposite of Somalia? Excellent.
Oh but posting an AI slop pic of Obama as a monkey is just fine? Fuck maga and fuck their double standards
She said "they” not “we”.
These fucking disingenuous assholes
THEY not WE.
Even her defenders and allies “other” her. FFS
(preface: I agree that trump has done multiple executable offenses)
She tweeted “we execute pedophiles not elect them.” While retweeting a Trump quote, so it’s kinda clear who she was referring to without any admission of his pedophilia.
No, she didn’t tweet that. She didn’t say “we,” she’s an American citizen.
She said “they”.
Very important use of language in this context.
My point was that it’s clear she meant trump. I guess there are many contexts in which my mistake matters but I don’t see how it would here
Ok, I just thought it was important to point out how she’s being misquoted here, even by people who apparently agree with her.
Point taken. It was an honest mistake. I think I read it as the popular use of “we” that isn’t quite literal. But I was mistaken.
It was more of a critique of the media, than of you in particular.
They knew whom the shoe fits…
So they’re admitting it!
How DARE Democrats Threaten PEOPLE WHO FUCK LITTLE CHILDREN!
-LITERALLY Republicans!
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Ilhan Omar said this. Not Rashida Tlaib
My bad, I typed the comment while tired. But my point still stands, she shouldn’t have posted if the opponent could have an easy shot…
