I started using Linux last week. And now I’m looking at your memes!
I see you’re on the right path… If you need any help feel free to reach out to the community and we got your back.
Welcome!
Welcome to the club!
One of us one of us gooble gobble
Please reach out if you have trouble. Make a buddy if you don’t have one!
Same! Put bazzite on my desktop.
welcome to the master race
Took you a week to get your graphics working, eh?
we can be buddies in how bad we are at it lol
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! It’s gonna be so much fun! We can do each others hair and talk about our favourite distros!
If I could I would upvote this twice 😄
You can, but you have to de-upvote it once.
Got it for you.
Do we need the socks?
I think you mean this old one:
This is exactly what I’m going to do in about 14 days. Fuck Microsoft.
Out of curiosity, why in 14 days?
That’s when I finish my thesis. Migrating OS + thesis just begs for disaster.
Latex hell? Good luck
Really slow download speeds?
Good on ya! 🫡
Just have a friend who finally decided switching yesterday. She picked my distro recommendation too which makes me feel all validated.
You have to share what this is now.
She wanted something that was an easy transition from Windows without having to learn a new interface. She is competent enough to install her own OS but wants to spend what little spare time she has on the computer gaming and not troubleshooting and maintaining. So I recommended she tries a few but primarily Bazzite with KDE and she liked it.
Heck, I’m running Fedora KDE right now but if I ever had to change I’d probably pick Bazzite too. Immutable sounds great for my purposes. I have zero intentions of messing around with my kernel.
Sounds like a solid rec for her usecase :)
Nice. I’ll have to give Bazzite a try sometime.
Switched to linux this year and I would NEVER go back to windows.
Is there a program or way to check what parts are covered by Linux? I have an old laptop I want to try Linux on beforehand.
As another person had suggested, test with a live image first before installing it to an SSD/HDD, however Linux is very well maintained by the community and even if there aren’t native drivers from your hardwares manufacturer, for example Corsair Keyboard Drivers, there usually is Open Sourced alternatives for these things like CKB-Next.
I say this to everyone, once you get a grasp on BASH (Bourne Again Shell) and package managers & repositories (edit: and the filesystem structure) you’ll essentially be able to use any Linux distro, it just comes down to the nitty gritty of things.
edit: and the filesystem structure
This is what I’ve definitely struggled the most with mint so far. It’s extremely difficult to find anything and I’ve needed to manually search for the file paths multiple times already, since I always manage to do something I need them for, and I haven’t gotten locate to work etc… Though this is probably just me being stoopid since I never find anything on windows either lmao
This is what I’ve definitely struggled the most with mint so far. It’s extremely difficult to find anything and I’ve needed to manually search for the file paths multiple times already,
If you got time, take a look at Debians man page to try and get a better understanding of the filesystem structure. it’s important to keep in mind that Linux Mint is a derivative of Debian, Debian provides some pretty in depth wikis that i suggest consulting when you can.
Yes. In general - it’s called live cd. Some distros ship with that in their installed image. {K,X,}ubuntu come to mind. Mint might do as well. You can boot into it and look around, see if basic stuff - network, audio, etc - works.
And you can do this with a USB, it doesn’t need to be a CD/DVD.
For some hardware you might have to install drivers or firmware yourself. Not all are included in all Linux distributions for complex reason.
That excitement is real 😂 Switching can be refreshing, but I always tell people to try it on a spare drive first. The best OS is the one that actually fits your workflow.
No, its the one that doesn’t Harvest you
Then they use the worst set up you could imagine.
I see no issues here…
You can see the Rust they added to the kernel.
Nah it’s just running RedoxOS
Pfft. It doesn’t need a video card.
Windows is the worst setup you could imagine and they’re ditching that. Sounds like a win to me.
This laptop came with an onboard intel graphics card AND an NVIDIA graphics card!
Oh fuck
That setup is working fairly well these days though, NVIDIA Optimus configurations have been doing fine for at least a year now. Granted, my laptop is AMD + NVIDIA not Intel, but I don’t think that matters.
seriously how. I have no idea where the fucking profile configs go, I followed the instructions on the debian wiki and duplicated my login screen in a shittier resolution.
The best “solution” I have is dumping this into the games command line on steam, but it STILL uses the intel grfx card as well as the nvidia one. playing videos for more than 5 mins overheats the intel processor while the nvidia one does fucking nothing
__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD_PROVIDER=NVIDIA-G0 __GLX_VENDOR_LIBRARY_NAME=nvidia __VK_LAYER_NV_optimus=NVIDIA_onlyHow the fuck do I use this?
EDIT : The below doesn’t work.
I’m thinking about following these instructions to disable a pci device, but i’m scared of bricking this fucking computer (again) and wasting another weekend re-installing the os instead of working on projects
https://gist.github.com/pjobson/9e5f7349cf4f28bc82f82ea980047778
I get two fucking folders presented when I scan for the PCI folder :
lspci 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v6/7th Gen Core Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers (rev 05) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6th-10th Gen Core Processor PCIe Controller (x16) (rev 05) 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 630 (rev 04)ls -la /sys/bus/pci/devices | grep 00:02.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Feb 18 02:53 0000:00:02.0 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Feb 18 02:53 0000:02:00.0 -> ../../../devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.0/0000:02:00.0EDIT :
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 100 Series/C230 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port #4 (rev f1)Oh, you have NVIDIA 10 series, the worst generation of NVIDIA card. Too old to support GSP, too new for nouveau reclocking, abandoned by NVIDIA’s current drivers and stuck in boot clock hell due to signed firmware. Unfortunately the 10 series cards are just going to suck on Linux and that situation won’t improve unless a miracle happens. NVIDIA’s usefulness on modern Linux begins with the 20 series and GSP firmware. I had a 1080Ti, it was not a good experience.
Especially for Nvidia/Gaming stuff I’d recommend a distro other than Debian. I love Debian, but it’s got a very uncomfortable and tenuous relationship with the very non-free nature of Nvidia’s proprietary drivers, and Nvidia is absolute garbage at compatibility and documentation on Linux (try and install their Cuda/AI shit on the first attempt by strictly following their documentation, I dare you, and good luck even picking which version of their documentation to use because there’s about 3 different processes and they’re all wrong)
PikaOS is a gaming distro based heavily on Debian, but part of a community with all the other gaming distros like Bazzite, Nobara, etc so they share most of the latest updates and configurations, they have tools to install various versions of drivers and other performance configurations you can play with. I know “just reinstall your OS!” is probably not the thing you want to hear, but honestly, Stock, out of the box Debian is pretty close to one of the most wrong tools you can choose for this particular job. And again, that’s not Debian’s fault, Debian is wonderful, it’s just … an extremely important and powerful tool for different jobs. Taking full advantage of modern Nvidia GPU hardware and gaming on it is one of the few that it is rather poor and frustrating at.
Fun thing is , I tried bazzite, nobara and PikaOs. None of them do any better, it always overheats, it’s not even NVidia’s fault. apparantly,
Some laptops have the igpu as the dedicated driver of the display and can’t do hardware mux.
https://lemmy.world/post/43208560/22206476
And because of that, the intel 630 graphics card is always a bottleneck that causes heating problems. I gotta dig more, but at least @vivendi@programming.dev gave me some more leads.
Thanks MSI! You truely are Multiple Serious Issues
I’m not sure on Debian, as Debian tends to sit on old releases of stuff for a long time. On Arch with KDE Plasma Wayland or GNOME Wayland, I just install nvidia-open-dkms and let it do its thing. Vulkan automatically uses the NVIDIA RTX 3070 in my Razer Blade 14 2021, no weird hacks or command line arguments required. Also, NVK is also quite usable, so I have set up rEFInd configs to boot with either NVIDIA driver loaded or nouveau. NVIDIA Settings is an antiquated tool and pretty useless if you’re using Wayland.
this laptop is from 2017/8 so it’s also old AF. I’m not using wayland for as long as I can, as wayland breaks my shit and leaves me mad. X11 on plasma until I upgrade the plasma package… and then we’ll see.
Wayland works much better than X11 on all of my systems, it works better for render offloading due to better synchronization and it allows for variable refresh rate and HDR. It did take NVIDIA way too long to implement decent Wayland support though.
That picture is so unsettling and idk why
That’s an analog horror face without the filter
Because her face is lit from the top by a point light source
Because it is a perfect 50% cute and 50% scary af
Are they sitting on the loo??
Because you never had someone look at you like that IRL.
Mouth to face ratio, and eye to face ratio. It hits a kind of uncanny valley
Me when my friend started talking about how he wanted to buy a steam machine as his first entry into pc gaming, and considered installing linux on his laptop cause windows ran like ass on it.
i had to hold in my excitement when someone asked me what linux distro they should use as a beginner
Arch my beloved!
Oh, and remember to
sudo rm -rf //j, don’t do that, it’ll delete your whole system (for any newbies)
Me after years in IT and decades of Linux:
If you need help, bother somebody else
I use Mac btw (more to the point, I use whatever you do not use).
That’s why I daily drive Haiku OS.
Mad props if you really are. 👍🏻
that particular combination of face expression and the top-down yellow lighting being the first thing I see when I open lemmy, I got jumpscared.
I got something else. It seems that psychotic looking conventionally attractive women are my thing.
I can fix her.
She’s perfect already.
If only there were a distro as lazy as using an Android device.
Every time I mention this, someone comes along and mentions one or another distro, and then the caveats that keep it from being as lazy as using an Android device.Android needs the same sort of hardware-specific configuration that other distros need. It’s just that the phone manufacturer takes care of that for you
I wouldn’t be lazy if I cared about how the cake is made. Wait, bad analogy. I do like cooking.
But I hope you know what I mean. Have someone else do it. Have the user just install and plug things and they work, absolutely nothing else to be done, no need for research, asking a friend, wizards, troubleshooting tools, or tutorials.
Lazy.
What exactly do you mean? Like a distro that just works well on a phone? Yeah proper Linux phones aren’t quite there yet.
But any of the commonly recommended distros work out of the box on PC at this point, there’s less fiddling than with windows at this point in my experience
Yup. It’s getting closer, but not quite there. This is one of the things that AI could probably help with. Grabbing all drivers and solutions done and shared by everyone across different distributions and repositories, and putting together all the adjustments and final touches needed upon installation, obfuscating the process from the user. Something that a phone with specific components and characteristics doesn’t need, unlike a custom-made computer.
Things have gotten MUCH better than they ever have been.
But unfortunately, it is still not as easy as just using an android phone.
But then again, it’s a hard metric to judge by, because while some things are harder than they should be on Linux, other things are just… Different, than what people are used to (Windows, Mac).
I use Linux, I use Android, but I still get frustrated when I need to use my wife’s iPhone for pretty much anything, because I’ve never owned one and I never use it. Does that mean iPhone is inherently bad design? Many people would argue no, it’s a good design in most cases. Just different. You’ve gotta learn the different ways of doing what you need to do. Although iPhone definitely has a few design flaws, in my opinion.
Likewise with Linux. Many modern distros are very user friendly. But no matter how good it is, people will always struggle when starting for the first time, because many things are just plain different. And also there are design holes/flaws.
You can say the same thing about any modern operating system you aren’t familiar with.
My sister in law has a MacBook, and every time I need to use it, which is maybe once or twice a year, I struggle. Things aren’t where I expect them to be. Things don’t work the way I expect. Heck, some “standard” keyboard shortcuts are different. Does that mean it’s a bad operating system? No, I just need to put the time and effort in to learn it, if I wanted to use it daily.
Linux has come a long way, and gets a bad rap. Yes it has a learning curve, and it might be more difficult because of all the different distros, but it’s pretty similar to everything else.
What exactly do you mean? Like a distro that just works well on a phone? Yeah proper Linux phones aren’t quite there yet.
I think they meant distros that are for desktop but as easy, convenient, simple, to use as android, ios or even maybe macos
Work out of the box with some asterisks.
I did some distro hopping over the last couple of months and there were only a few that installed drivers and firmware for my Broadcom WiFi. Several had severe issues with Bluetooth audio. Keyboard backlight worked out of the box in less than half. Laptop speakers sound like crap without a lot of tweaking. Hardware acceleration for video doesn’t work out of the box on any distro I tried using the nouveau drivers for NVIDIA. Battery life is meh. No distro put the computer to sleep automatically on low battery by default. Websites can look like ass before installing Microsoft fonts. HDR support for screens is still limited.
Depending on your hardware, you can be lucky, need additional configuration, and will have to accept some limitations.
