So, OS-level age-gating is going federal, which will effectively kill your rights to device ownership and what’s left of free speech and expression.
Enjoy your free speech while you still have it because this is a clear attempt to erase that right.
SOPA never died, it just went into hiding until time to reemerge, and now’s that time, this is basically SOPA in a save the kids trenchcoat.
Motherfuckers want this so they can more easily find kiddies to groom and rape.
Start selling the narrative folks, this is not gonna be a clean war
Fair.
If this thread is any indication, we’re cooked. If this many people are willing to give the government the benefit of the doubt, after what we’re dealing with…
This will not be benign, it will seem innocent at first, but we’ll have given up yet another seemingly simple thing that will eventually be used against us.
evidently Palantir wasn’t able to use all available data and a few glaciers to find out who was saying mean things about Important People With Money. This oughta fill in those gaps.
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This bill is being pushed by Meta and they are NOT going to stop with age verification. It is not about “protecting children” and it never has been. It’s always been about surveillance and control. Meta wants to know who you are, where you are, what you buy, what you download, who you associate with and what your politics are.
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If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
Meta is pushing this because their platforms are overrun by bots. Ironically because partly of the AI tools they have created. And advertisers have caught up and aren’t willing to pay top dollars anymore on Meta’s platforms. Hence why Meta desperately wants a way to proof that their traffic comes from real people.
If Meta succeeds in putting all this on your computer at the operating system level, then what is the point of even having a VPN anymore? Also Meta will sell this information to anyone who asks for it.
I think this is not an accident.
They also benefit from it as it impacts OS providers like Apple and Google. These companies need to contend with privacy flaws and supporting them on their devices, spending resources on that, while Meta just uses the OS API to “verify” user age pretending they care about children. Profit.
Meta management are evil but kind of clueless. I would guess the usual suspects including Palantir are whispering in their ears.
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They can’t even arrest the pedophiles in government but they want to mass surveil us for everything.
The rules have always been for us, not for them.
The police are enforcers for the elites, they don’t stop crime, they extract fines from people and provide a deterrent to anyone standing up for themselves.
I know but we outnumber them a million to one so we don’t actually have to put up with this
With what organization? The left is too busy with shit like tone policing for any cohesive narrative to take root.
Turns out when your brain is filled with no-no words that effectively act as thought terminating cliches you end up being unable to effectively communicate with people you disagree with. Crazy how the far right simply does not have this problem, no? Granted they aren’t really for ‘discussion’ or ‘debate’ or ‘deliberation’ in the same way leftists are, and their thought terminating cliches are much worse; climate change being one of the big ones.
US left is way too disorganized, but this isn’t because of “”“tone policing”“” (no you cannot say slurs) or debating the specifics of ideals (of course the right doesn’t do this, they have no ideals, don’t copy the child rapists).
It’s because of, among other things, a decades-long operation to systemically crack communities, down to there being basically no infrastructure to even meet up at except the library or church, and also to keep everyone so exhausted and distracted they don’t bother trying.
Solving problem #1 is harder but problem #2 involves communicating with people locally who you can actually work with (marginalized groups aren’t going to work with violent bigots, if this annoys you, talk to the bigots yourself) and joining local orgs to meet needs – rent/utilities assistance, building community toolboxes and fridges, generally moving people away from “barely surviving” so they can actually develop an interest in leftist ideals
There is absolutely hyper-fixation on identity politics over material conditions. This has been an intentional project to move the realm of political discourse and conflict to the immaterial.
Yes, not being a bigoted asshole matters, but also it’s a wedge issue that absolutely moves otherwise poor, oppressed people away from solidarity. I don’t know how you bridge the problem, but as long as those people are on the other side, that’s a problem, and you ignore it at your peril.
Yeah I have no issue with not saying slurs (and saying I can’t say slurs is fucking dumb, I choose not to because I understand why I shouldn’t — not because trogs on their high horses tell me no), my problem is that you took the phrase ‘shit like tone policing’ and immediately assumed this must be the singular problem I have with how the left communicates. Thus spurring on an entire comment on why the left doesn’t communicate with the right.
I’m not suggesting the left communicate with the right, at all. I’m suggesting the left needs to learn how to communicate amongst itself because things like no no words end up functioning as thought terminating cliches — see your entire comment for reference.
I understand what you’re saying, but this is an issue that mostly exists between (don’t like this term much but can’t think of a better one) extremely terminally-online leftists who do not organize.
Going offline, this is generally just not an issue, the orgs filled with people who just argue over theory also don’t do much and shouldn’t be listened to. It’s a large movement and there are bound to be people who are unfortunately less effective.
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
I didn’t bother discussing how online leftist infighting affects real life, it’s not relevant compared to, say, the much realer issue of left-orgs blowing up because of, say, someone being outed as a sex pest or someone slandering someone they don’t like anymore (which isn’t an issue only relegated to the left, the right does this way more often)
Please don’t get me wrong, my motivations were not ‘both sides’ or something along those lines. Maybe not obviously, but it’s clear to me that we both believe the side bringing measles back is the wrong one.
My problem is that these terminally online leftist spaces end up being the narrative sent to (or experienced by) the brainwashed masses on the right. Simply not engaging with an online space is ineffective when trying to combat their manipulation of word of mouth messaging.
I’m not trying to argue for the right to say slurs. Unless they’re directed at conservatives, then I’m conflicted.
Those are not contrary, but complementary things.
Yea so you quit taking badly about the pedophiles in government.
That’s because we are dangerous (to the rich’s interests)
Yes. I suspect this is all because we successfully arrested Epstein.
They worry we won’t actually stand for their kidnapping and raping our kids, unless they strengthen their grip.
That would require them to arrest themselves, because everyone in the roles that deal with that are themselves pedophiles.
Parents ALREADY decided. They decided they didn’t give enough of a shit to use the parental controls already available to them. No legitimate reason to push this shit on everyone else.
These companies made parental controls abysmal to use, so they can count children’s traffic as adult viewers for ad revenue(on both sides of the bill).
Almost like it’s an excuse. Focus on their reasons, not their stated reasons.
No it wont. Because we’re gonna light shit on fire until this goes away, ICE melts, and the hostages are released from the internment camps. Right?
lol. americans don’t do shit
My guy, people have been out in the streets ripping people out of the hands of ice
I get its fun to be cynical in the current moment but americans have absolutely been doing shit. I know, because there are folks in my community organizing, and they’re doing so in the image of other community organizing efforts across the country
If you’re reading this go find a way to get involved IRL. Meet your neighbors. Join food not bombs or a soup kitchen. Get involved in ice watch. Find your local DSA or PSL chapter and see if they’re people there and projects that you feel like you can build with. See if you have a local SRA chapter. See if your area has any tool libraries or community gardens you can participate in. Lots of states have a stop cop city, or stop detention centers project, go see if your area has one you can get involved with. People only do shit if people like YOU decide its worth doing
In the land of “stay strapped or get clapped” your idea of resistance is joining a soup kitchen or tool library lol
It’s a step that contributes which is better than nothing, though of course this is supplementary and more is needed
It’s an action that accomplishes nothing towards the stated goals but makes the person feel good about themselves.
Soup kitchens contribute to mutual aid setups, which are vital for subsistence and resistance movements against established institutions.
It is directly something that accomplishes movement towards stated goals.
Let me know when a soup kitchen topples a government institution. Until then all I see is cringe larping as a resistance movement.
No one can fight fascism when theyre worried about their immediate tangible needs. No one can fight much of anything when theyre worried about their immediate needs.
Its really hard to organize with people if you dont have ways of being connected to them. Its hard to have the needed trust. Its hard to network and know the right folks to have a connection the the right person when you need them. All sorts of community service help attend to these functional needs.
If you can’t see value in feeding folks in your community I’m glad you’re not part of mine, you sound like a POS.
Feed people is great, pretending its some kind of ‘resistance’ is laughable.
You are dead right and you’re being downvoted by white liberals who can’t bear to entertain the idea that they might be part of the problem.
The SRA I mentioned is the socialist rifle association. I also mentioned ice watch, and stop cop city and stop detention center projects. The point was to suggest a number of things that would include some ways to get involved for a wide variety of people, people gotta start somwhere and folks have different risk tolerances
Kindly, did you think at all before you typed that? Kinda disappointed that 5 people chose to upvote that, what are you talking about?
Just curious, what exactly do you mean by SRA in context of this thread?
I don’t necessarily think joining some sort of community/mutual aid organization is a bad thing. Based on research of global protest movements (disclaimer: I am not well versed on this topic outside of my region, albeit there is a lot to cover in our region), generally the highest success rates are for mass scale movements where the regime starts to feel they are losing control. Security services rank and file start to wonder if the leadership are going to bail on them and whether it is worth it to risk their lives fighting their own fellow citizens.
One way to get to that point is a strong network of community organizations that are not subject to the regime political structures (I would include the US Democratic party in this category) or malign business community influence (definitely almost all large US corporations who are part of the oligarchic regime and also giant list of wannabe oligarch types).
The often cited number is 10% of the population engaging in regular protests (with the implication being that a much larger % of the working age population supports the goals of the protest movement). Although from memory, the researchers did say that a single % doesn’t really account for a given “situation on the ground”, more of a general trend. Which makes a lot of sense.
Violent resistance was cited as having mixed results for a variety of reasons and tended to have much more unpredictable and drawn out dynamics.
From my time living the US, I also didn’t find the local polemics around gun ownership to be convincing or productive (i.e. irrespective of your position on gun ownership, a reasonable argument can be made that in the US context there are other factors at play with respect to the perceptions around gun ownership).
Then there is the practical consideration. What has the US implementation of gun ownership achieved in terms of specifics?
Oh look, a keyboard warrior that has no idea how the US works.
How fuckin’ unique and edgy.
Go on; what are you expecting to see?
My expectation is that Americans will continue getting fucked by their government because the only ones interested in ‘resistance’ will ladle at a soup kitchen about it
My brother in Christ look up the aforementioned SRA. You look like an idiot.
Not even gonna engage with the argument that feeding folks in your community isnt valuable resistance. Thats dumb as fuck.
must be a huge important organisation. but, which one?
How dare I not be familiar with every single local acronym you lot have.
Anyway let me know when a soup kitchen or tool library topple anything with your resistance larp
Oops, I used the wrong word. What degree of resistance would you like to see?
Generally you’re correct, but the string of warehouse fires over the past week all across the country has me hopeful that folks are finally hitting the long long long long long overdue breaking point.
I’m at the point where I don’t allow myself to get my hopes up for American news anymore.
That being said, the warehouse fires were a pleasant surprise that exceeded my expectations.
I’m similarly inclined from experience but before my favorite sports team won back to back championships they let me down and broke my heart for 30 years. I guess I’m a glutton for disappointment but I want to be hopwful
With your attitude, nobody would be doing anything. You’re worse than the people causing these problems - you’re just a black hole of negativity here looking to shit on your fellow workers.
. . . . trump got two terms. what tf is america doing about the trump cancer?
ah. Nothing at all.
do something
They storm the capital building.
There’s plenty of resistance and progressive movements locally and nationally - you just tend not to hear about them unless you’re the sort of person who gets involved
I fucking hope so 🏴🏴🏴🏴
Sir, this is Lemmy. We came here because we were banned from Reddit. That’s about the extent of our action against the system that runs our lives.
Yeah, but if we keep advocating for violent revolution maybe someone else will do it for us so we can have better lives!
For some of us we are too injured and broken to do much more then hope those who are of sound body and able to resist will do so.
Even an injured person can man a radio. Can produce leaflets, can distribute whistles, can send food and supplies.
Start watching resistance stories. Read books like full spectrum resistance.
You are not alone You are not powerless You do not have to feel defeated…that’s what they want.
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I hope they bring some vibe coded, 3d-printed anti-air defense missiles with them!
According to lemmy.world’s rules, as written by the Zionists in charge; advocating for any sort of violence would be against the rules. You have to go to those instances to see both proof of action plus advocating of further action.
Doing nothing is violence
I agree, the people in charge of your instance, who happen to full-throatedly support the genocide of the palestinian people, do not however agree. That is something for your to wrestle with, and maybe choose a better instance should you wish to both advocate for or participate in acts prohibited to be discussed by lemmy.world’s rules.
I’m new and have no idea what an instance is.
Edit: nevermind I googled it. Pretty convoluted
It’s not.
You have an account on a server (instance). That server has an administrator. I have an account on a different server, which has a different administrator. We can speak to each other in the middle from these two separate servers, via federation protocols.
The administrator(s) on your server are loud and proud authoritarians and frequently silence any discussion of general resistance, among other topics that they don’t like. This is not a personal failure on your part; there’s not much way to know about it except to be told or to inspect the mod logs yourself. Now that you’ve been told, though, you have the opportunity to move to a server that actually respects your right to speak on the internet.
Or you may elect to stay on LW and be banned or censored without warning, and be lightly associated with auth-left idiots for anyone who knows what the LW admins are like. That is a choice that can be made.
If you are going to make a move, I’ll warn you that .ml is known for similar. Just about most anywhere else is hosted by sane people, frequently as independent projects, even more frequently as a direct response to LW and ML’s dumbfuckery.
Genuinely appreciate the response, thank you. Going to switch it up
You mean the shadowy place Mufasa told us to stay away from?
Never forget, anyone who doesn’t advocate for the exact specific things you advocate for is the enemy, and should be treated as such!
Unless they’re a benevolent billionaire, obviously.
Being honest? Why I came here. And, frankly, I’ve been here less than a day and I love it more than I did Reddit. (Still figuring this place out, but yeah )
And, frankly, I’ve been here less than a day and I love it more than I did Reddit. (Still figuring this place out, but yeah )
Welcome!
Has anyone invited you to try Linux yet? (I’m joking. But Linux is pretty great now. Let us know if you’re Linux curious…)
Edit: Also, we love Star Trek here, but we only fully agree on the old seasons and on Lower Decks.
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I’m seen! 😊
Eat the rich
Or a parent could, I don’t know, just parent their own kids instead of expecting the government to.
I got so many downvotes last time I suggested this, it was just comical to me how many people get pissed at the implication that they aren’t watching their kids, while not watching their kids.
I wonder how much of the down voting stems from people seeing “let me parent my own kids” as being tied to conservative propaganda used to support anti-woke bills in places like Florida.
I haven’t a clue.
The context of when I posted it was on a comic about “I’d do anything for my kids except listen to them talk about what they enjoy”.
How else are you supposed to figure what kind of stupid nonsense they’re getting up to. Anytime I see my kids focused on almost anything I’ll ask “what’re you working on?”
How dare you be present! That’s just going to result in emotionally grounded adults with a sense of belonging.
I guess you not only read just the post titles, but also just the title of the bill too.
Nope, read the full resolutions text, and also emailed my rep. But thanks anyhow!
This has absolutely nothing to do with kids
Why not both?
I fully expect the government to pull this shit, but I’ll parent my kids not to tolerate it.
The government is there to give us the tools to parent our kids, not to actually parent them. Give us free and open internet, but have training on how to be a diligent parent.
It has nothing to do with kids it’s just an excuse to push more surveillance
And written by a Democrat. They really have become useless. First they regularly forget that they are opposition for a reason, and now they even betray their voters with the most stupid law humans can cook up.
They’re bought and paid for by basically all the big industries just like the GOP.
And written by a Democrat.
They are literally never your ally. A lot of us refuse to accept that we have 2 parties that don’t give one solitary fuck about us because it means we have no say whatsoever in our government, but Democrats prove time and time again that this is the case.
The most we get are a handful of “representatives” that somehow managed to beat AIPAC and all the corporate interests that buy the rest of them, but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
but that handful isn’t enough to actually force meaningful change or to prevent the worst from happening. :(
Yes. They’re allowing the planet to boil to avoid briefly inconveniencing idiot billionaires who believe they will science magic their way to Mars to escape.
We don’t need any more evidence that they’re worthless traitors to humanity. =/
I don’t think they think they’re an opposition party, and they certainly wouldn’t oppose mass surveillance. They never have.
Disgusting. This is my representative, I unfortunately voted him in.
Our president is a pedophile and we still get the “for the children” bullshit. How about making a law requiring tracking the data on the Epstein class phones instead?
I sent a letter to him, hopefully enough people do.
Lately, it seems like bottles of incendiary liquid are the vogue medium of communication, rather than sternly-worded letters. I think it’s like toggling that “flag as urgent” setting on an email.
“and for other purposes” umm
Donate here: https://www.eff.org/ https://epic.org/ https://cdt.org/ https://www.aclu.org/
Get off Android if you can: https://grapheneos.org/ https://lineageos.org/ https://e.foundation/e-os/
Pick a Linux distro to try on a beater laptop (save yourself some trouble and just use Ubuntu to start): https://distrowatch.com/
Tell your reps that this bill doesn’t get a chance to breathe if they ever want your support in future elections.
This is how the democrats lose the next election.
GJ snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Again
Unfortunately, nobody really cares about this shit either way. No chance this costs dems an election, especially considering support for age verification laws have generally been bipartisan.
this is one of the examples of how electoralism can only ever give us some breathing room, but never our full liberation. even a “good” politician is still a politician. they may have entered government to reshape government, but eventually working in government will reshape them.
i encourage others to work to get the best possible politicians into positions of power, but to also work on coagulating people power in order to topple those same positions of power. here are some things you can do:
- organize a union
- learn first aid
- participate in mutual aid projects
- become acquainted with self defense and community defense mechanisms
- learn about reducing your digital footprint at protests
Liberation comes at the end of a gun.
You’re a bad person for pointing this out. /s
maybe for you…but not for me.
I’ll switch back to a dumb phone and run a Linux distro so obscure nobody’s seen it for 25 years.
fuck em. I’ll never comply with this shit.
Step 1: make some kind of surveillance & control system that is voluntary
Step 2: make life for those who dont want it less convenient (you are here)
Step 3: make non-participation in the system be in itself suspicious and a cause for further investigation
I don’t deny that roadmap, but there is nothing I can do to stop this.
we can try all we want, but it still won’t stop them from moving the goal and trying again.
I’m tired of trying to convince people the worst is yet to come. all I can do is help myself and protect my family.
Being tired is normal and I can only understand the feeling, but if there’s one hope it is through collective action, not individualism. Any individual or family will inevitably lose against the overwhelming power of corporations or the state.
I disagree with all of you. Now that our benevolent theocratic autocratic overlords have decided to track everything we say and do and escape is impossible, I completely support their brave new dystopian agenda. All hail the wonderful leaders!
I see there was no need for “/s” because you are absolutely serious and genuine. A fine example, comrade. Fine example.
God’s grace, the supreme leader!
