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      I always love when people make the connection with ducks for example. Like have you seen a female duck? Yeah they aren’t as colorful, but their pattern is way more interesting and they are absolutely beatiful in their own right.

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        Also, idk, I think that what an ape thinks looks good has little bearing on what avians find attractive. For all we know male ducks think that bright plumage is unattractive.

        Like for real, would parrots looking at us understand what we see in permanent large breasts? Or would they look at our other comically oversized sex characteristic (large, exposed penises without a baculum) as the primary showy mating display. Or would they see us as a species where sexual selection has resulted in both parties having a display to show off? Would they think that from their perspective it’s obvious which looks better?

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    Would be funny if all this manosphere shit was just a ploy to turn more twinks gay, so Tate could finally have the harem of his dreams.

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    Guess they’ve never seen all of the statues of Athena, Artemis and Aphrodite. You don’t get as many nude female statues because it was usually considered obscene for women to be naked in public.

    But the Greek male statues were fully nude and depicted ripped mortal men because they were made in line with Aristotle’s idea of good art being educational. Those were arguably the marble version of “git gud, scrub”.

    If there were more male “perfect” body statues at the time, which we can’t establish because many have been lost over the millennia, it might actually be evidence that men were considered less attractive and they needed more body shaming to fix it?

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        I think Nemesis is Roman, but probably a copy of a Greek statue. I might have chosen to forget because the “restoration” work on her head breaks my heart - but I know that’s a common problem. Such a pity because the drapery is gorgeous.

        Looking at this Diana/Artemis, who was much luckier than most statues by having her original head reattached, you can see how different it is. The proportions make much more sense.

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        Photo of a marble statue of Artemis (aka Diana), which lives at the Louvre. Artemis is mid-step reaching for an arrow in the quiver on her back. In her other hand she’s pulling on the antlers of a small deer that she has caught. She’s wearing a short and practical belted tunic (chiton) appropriate for hunting, functional sandals, and an equally pragmatic hairstyle with her wavy locks in an up-do. Her arms and legs are neither skinny nor super muscly, they’re very average looking. But, being a goddess, she’s got a tiara. Not an ostentatious tiara, a simple solid tiara. A utility tiara, if you will. And being a female goddess, you can still see her nips pushing on the intricate drapery of her chiton. She’s clearly got some sex appeal carved in, but the statue is of a capable person who is independently getting shit done.

        I love her because she basically looks like the kind of woman a modern conservative commentator would condemn for subverting gender roles. Also with a proportional head.

        Diane de Versailles - Louvre catalogue

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      Right they were “lost over time”. You’ve got a bunch of ripped naked Greek guy statues in your basement don’t you

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        I wish I had both any cool ancient things and any basement to put them in. I think the oldest thing I own is maybe 100 years at best.

        I think I’d be terrified to own anything much older too, conservation is hard.

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          the hardest part of conservation is learning how to do it. like, i play saxophone and the instruments literally die and need expensive if you go too long without playing. how to take care of a sax? make sure your mouth is clean (like, rinse it out with water at least) before you play. ABSOLUTELY do not eat anything or drink anything other than water (not even flavored water bullshit) while playing unless you want to go brush your teeth before picking your sax up again. don’t leave your spit swab in while it’s in the case even though it fits so perfect in there, and play it regularly (like at least once a week but once a day is better) to make sure the cork doesn’t literally die. so sax conservation boils down to playing often and keeping your mouth clean.

          guess how i ruined my first sax dudes. it was not doing this shit above.

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    During high school I was friend with a guy from a village known for their conservative takes. And while this guy certainly wasn’t as left as some of my other friends, he liked to fuck with his football teammates by making the take that gay sex is manly.

    Why? Because it involves two men. Hetero sex wasn’t as manly because it involves a girl, and lesbian sex was as girly as it got. His teammates really didn’t get that he was fucking with their worldview.

    Now he definitely had very idiotic takes himself, but this one always stuck with me because it’s just so easy to troll any insecure right winger with

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      As a lesbian I’ve definitely seen plenty of gay interactions that are so gendered that I feel most people of the other gender wouldn’t be comfortable participating, especially conservative straight people. It’s really funny to me how this stereotype of gay people as less gender conforming (while it absolutely carries a lot of truth to it) results in people not even considering that sometimes gay sex is just two really masculine men going at it in a manly way or two women being extremely feminine together.

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    The “on average”-qualifier in there working like a lifeboat on a plane falling from the sky over the Sahara

    Also

    Does this man actually know what “gay” means?

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      I begin to think he means that in original meaning…

      “I dumno which rapper is beefing with which other rapper because I am not happy”

      “I agree man are more attractive on average because I am not happy”

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      Well…maybe he just thinks “beefing” means shoving their beef stick intothe others man hole.

      If he thinks thats what beefing is, I could see why he thinks it’s gay.

      I mean, he’s wrong either way, but that would explain where his viewpoint is.