• delikt@lemmy.zip
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    21 days ago

    Its so strange for Europeans to read this because we don’t let Weapons randomly lay around armorized and our Walls are not that thin, that this can happen such as easy as with US paperwalls

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      21 days ago

      Yeah, sure, you have that. But we have shitty healthcare and poor collective bargaining rights!

      Wait…I lost where I was going with this, lol.

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      I guarantee that whatever gun did this could probably go through most internal building walls in European homes too. It’s a gun, not a nerf dart.

      Of course, unless it came in from outside the building. In which case, brick would probably stop it, yeah. I’d probably know if I read the article, but, ya know how it goes.

      But yes on that first part.

      *Guys, I get it. I appreciate you all measuring your walls for me, but I get it. We can stop now.

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        21 days ago

        A fair number of internal walls are also thick brick or concrete. In warmer climates it helps keep the building cool from thermal mass, it’s also sturdier for places prone to hurricanes.

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        21 days ago

        Walls between apartments are usually 25cm thick brick walls or even concrete in Austria. Worked in the field. Drywalls are very unusual even inside a flat. Most of the time you have 12cm thick brick walls.

        So a bullet going from flat to flat is veeeryyy unlikely.

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          18 days ago

          I’m not from the field - but i’m from Austria ty for your expertise… I was wondering about the bricks comments i have no bricks in Walls and i think the Walls to my Neighbour are thicker then the Walls in my own Apartment… But not sure ofc

          I tought it need at least heavyer Military Weapons to shoot trought it from another Apartment 🤷‍♂️

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        21 days ago

        Internal walls are made of brick as well. At least in northern Europe, they have to be it’s too cold otherwise.

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      21 days ago

      Bro, unless its a .22 LR, pretty much every caliber is going to go through most building materials no matter where you live. You don’t have magic bulletbroof walls where you live. 😂

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        21 days ago

        Have you ever shot at brick or stone? Yeah, the right caliber will go right through, but it’s not flying through with near the same velocity as through drywall, paint, and dreams , the stuff my walls are made of right now.

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          I didn’t say different materials don’t do anything, but yeah, a lot of rifle calibers are going through brick. Especially hunting calibers, of which there are a LOT here.

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            21 days ago

            I can’t say for sure, I only shoot skeet and wood targets on dirt/ground-backed hills.

            But https://www.atomicdefense.com/blogs/news/can-bullets-go-through-brick seems to say: “Heavier rounds such as a 7.62x39mm or .308 rifle may penetrate the walls of a brick-veneered house, but it is not likely”

            I could imagine a higher caliber hunting round going through a brick wall when pointed at it, but it should be rare to have a high caliber rifle loaded with high caliber rounds off-safety and able to be misfired by a child/dog/freak accident.

            And in the UK, that’s just pretty much too impossibly rare to be occurring. The likelihood is higher here, but god I wish it wasn’t

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              21 days ago

              I saw that link too, but there’s plenty of footage online that demonstrate brick will not stop everything.

              I don’t think a high caliber rifle is less likely to be negligently discharged than any other caliber. In the US a lot of people own hunting rifles. I don’t know the stats compared to other types of firearms, but I feel like that or a hunting shotgun would be the most pervasive, and thus statistically most likely to be used in an incident like this. That’s just an educated guess though, I may be off base on that one.

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    21 days ago

    I feel like that’s not a valid thing to say. “My dog shot the gun”.

    I’m sure it won’t hold up in court, but it also doesn’t hold up anywhere else. Don’t keep your guns loaded with the safety off where they are accessible.

    You might as well just shoot your family and neighbors yourself if you’re doing that shit.

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      21 days ago

      Well, to be fair, it was ChatGPT that told the dog it was ok to shoot.

      Might as well add another layer of unaccountability.

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      21 days ago

      This person obviously relied heavily on the “my dog ate my homework” excuse to get them through school and thought it might work here too.

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      21 days ago

      America is fucking broken when it comes to guns. Like I get that they are emotional support toys for some people, but keeping it locked and loaded is absolute idiocy that way too many people defend.

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    21 days ago

    Anyone who is picking up their pitch forks at the offender needs to read this thread first. Before you unload your rage, consider taking what the victim did as a learning opportunity.

    It was 3:30am in the morning when the shot happened. The neighbor who discharged the firearms rushed downstairs to check on the woman who’s PC was shot, thankfully finding that she was not hurt. She was distraught, frantic, and told the PC owner that she will never own a firearm again and pay for all damages. They talked, and the PC owner learned that her daughter just passed away. A police report was still filed, but the PC owner isn’t pressing charges. They’re getting margaritas later together.

    Let me be clear that this absolutely does not excuse what this woman did. However, what the PC owner did likely saved her neighbor’s life. You see, at 3:30am in morning, there is only typically one thing people would do with a fire arm, to themselves.

    Anyone would be in their right to be angry at this woman after what she did. But the PC owner extended her compassion and became this woman’s friend at a time when she had every reason not to.

    What the headline could have been was ‘woman commits suicide after negligent discharge’, but it was not. Imagine if the PC owner was the last person who spoke to her in anger, and imagine if she had to live with that for the rest of their life knowing that she could have done something about it.

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      This sounds super sus. I couldn’t find the comment where OP said the neighbor was upstairs, but the damage in the photos, to me, looks like the bullet came from the side. And it doesn’t jive with OPs comment in the in the original post.

      The police said that the PC changed the trajectory of the bullet, and it would have hit me while I was sleeping if the PC hadn’t been there.

      If the shot came from upstairs, where would the PC case need to be to change the trajectory to keep it from hitting you in bed? Hypothetically it could be possible, but those are some weird ass angles to make that work. Unlikely.

      With the photo of the bullet mostly intact (I would expect it to be more deformed than that), that was supposedly found underneath the OPs pillow?? That they were supposedly dead asleep on? I don’t think this actually happened. This is a work of fiction.

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      I’m trying to work out exactly how this is supposed to have happened. If the bullet was shot through the floor above then there’s no path the bullet could have taken that would intersect the PC before it would hit somebody sleeping in a bed, unless the computer is in some way suspended above the bed, which not only doesn’t really sound realistic, you can also see from the photo that it clearly is on the floor.

      In order to be able to hit a PC on the floor, it would have to be horizontal through a wall.

      Also the word neighbour would almost always be used to refer to someone next door.

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    Where I live, anyone who owns a firearm is required to keep it in a locked gun safe when not in use, and there are strict rules around transporting a firearm as well.

    They cannot be left unattended in a vehicle, and they absolutely cannot, under any circumstances, be left loaded.

    The fact that Americans have loaded firearms just kicking around in their house is utterly insane.

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      Are you suggesting the dog couldn’t have accessed the gun in the safe and shot through the wall? Why would you assume a gun owner is capable of being irresponsible? You must be that fake news I hear so much about.

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      Where I live, walls are not made of cardboard and would prbably have stopped (at least) anything up to and including a 5.56 mm round.

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      All my guns are unloaded and in a safe, and my ammo is in a separate safe. Some people are complete idiots though and in a country with such liberal gun policies, this is the result. I am all for sensible gun control, and I hope this dumbass never gets their hands on another one, but knowing this country she still won’t fail a background check.

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        21 days ago

        We used to keep the bolts from our guns in a completely seperate second safe. Living in the USA seems harrowing

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          I mean, not especially as far as guns go. It’s not like gun violence/negligence impacts my life constantly. The only reason I even own any guns beyond a few heirlooms is because of the rise of fascism and the fact that most gun nuts are right there with them. In my opinion and experience, there are larger issues with the US that feed gun violence and suicides, like the lack of social safety nets, public transit, rugged individualism, and the lack of representation in government. I’m not defending the absurd amount of guns in this country, and if there ever is a thoughtful approach to reducing the amount of guns in personal possession, I am all for it. I enjoy target practice, mostly with a 22 rifle, and would be perfectly fine with visiting a properly regulated range to rent a rifle and plink some targets.

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          Living in the USA seems harrowing

          It depends heavily on where you are in the US. I grew up in a crime/poverty stricken area, and gun violence was pretty much a daily thing. But the town I live in now has literally never had a single act of gun violence. We all have guns, but we use them for target shooting and hunting. Moving to the woods from an inner city was like night and day. Growing up, if I heard gunshots I knew that someone was getting hurt/killed. Now if I hear gunshots, it’s just the neighbors practicing for deer season.

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      Where I live, you need artillery to shoot through a house wall. Plus, the part about gun safes, not storing loaded, and ammo stored and locked separately.

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      Hey, so, as she’s being charged for it, the fact is she was negligent because it wasn’t properly secured…

      So, uhh, what are you saying?

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    If you leave a loaded firearm with a round chambered and the safety off out where “your dog” can set it off, that’s still negligence!

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      XTREME NEGLIGENCE! Watch this baby pull a pistol out of the couch cushions and SHOOT THE DAD! This isolated, abused teen has access to SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARMS because his parents don’t believe in a GUN SAFE! Watch the CARNAGE Carnage carnage!

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    21 days ago

    … the much more pleasant problem of shopping for a replacement PC with a $3,500 budget.

    Uhhhh how much PC does that get a person these days? 2 Gigs of ddr3 ram?

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    I don’t own a gun. It’s has nothing to do with politics. I’m a suicide risk; I don’t need a ticket to the bullet train.

    The problem is that many, maybe most people are like me. They shouldn’t have a gun. If others were self-aware like me, shit like this would be much more rare. I think you shouldn’t be able to buy a gun unless every member of the household can pass a gun safety test. Including the pets.

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      21 days ago

      Including the pets.

      My cat encouraged me to buy guns. Something about overthrowing human bourgeois and installing a cat proletariat government,

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      The book “dying of whiteness” has a whole section about this. They interview a lot of people who are survivors of gun suicide and find that for political reasons they don’t want gun control, even as they admit their loved ones are dead because guns made it so easy to die. One of them even privately says she agrees, but would never say so in public.

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      It looks like it’s just some of the RAM and the mobo. The obviously-AI article says they got $3500. The Insurance probably views the whole unit as one item and pays for it all. Unless the owner is a dumbass and says “oh, just pay me for the parts that were damaged and I’ll salvage the rest.”

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        I would sue the hell out of that neighbor, not just for the PC and the the hole in the wall. And he should be made to turn in all weapons, as there is this incident is proof that he is not up to the responsibility of gun ownership.

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      Please! Think of the GPU!

      And oh… The RAM… that poor fucking RAM never had a chance… Did it have a family?