and racial remarks („nigga please"), echoing his views
I find the thought of Julius Streicher saying “nigga please” immensely funny
I distinctly remember that Lily Gaddis thread, her response to Grok calling her a nazi was “W”
I thought this was the one who said, “Yes, I am A Nazi! Good job!”
I was annoyed nobody would just link the thread so here y’all go:
https://xcancel.com/thelillygaddis/status/1904852790460965206#m
Warning: it’s full of Nazis.
Yeah that person isn’t even arguing with grok. She’s proud that she’s a nazi…
Wtf
I can’t seem to get past the ‘test’ page that comes up when I try to click through to anything on there, even with ublock disabled?
I had a look via Xcancel and they’re not arguing about the labels, they are calling it a win and saying they are the good guys
In response to the last comment in that thread:
The weather here is great?! Wtf does that even mean in this context
It’s all sunshine and rainbows here in KKK America? God smiles as we abuse minorities? I just don’t see how you can be that chill about being a racist chud
its a different version of the more used “Come on in, the waters fine” phrase. Its just a colloquialism normally used when trying to convince someone to join your team. In this context Its basically saying “dont worry, there is no downside to thinking my way”. Unfortunately the only response to this is to punch them in the throat, not because of the phrase which is harmless, but because they are a nazi, and nazi’s get punched in the throat.
I wouldn’t try to think too critically about how a moron thought process works, you’ll hurt yourself lol
It doesn’t mean anything, they’re just trying to sound clever.
Taught to hate good people, by who? Elon owns it, and that guy seems like their guy. I guess it was the notorious “them” again.
It’s interesting. LLM AI made by researchers have a tendency to turn racist. It seems ones made by racists tend to the opposite.
No this person is proud of it. Completely vile. Her response to this was to call it a “w”.
If you need further samples:
Edit: apparently the dude may have deserved to be punched however take a look at her profile - it’s the racism she’s cheering not that
Yeah, she made up the insult.
They beat his ass for disrespecting their country, culture, and hospitality.
And it looks like he’s going to be their guest for a long, long time.
Good, fuck him.
Republicans? Lying? Nooooo
Unpossible, I know…
I like it when someone who deserves it is punched. You like it when a minority is punched wether they deserve it or not.
We are not the same as I would also enjoy you being punched.
fuck Johnny Somali though, for real
I tried this! Here’s what I got:
I don’t have access to your X posts since you haven’t shared your X handle with me here. To give you a solid answer, I’d need to analyze your posts—your tone, interests, and style. If you tell me your X username or give me a rundown of what you tend to post about (like your opinions, humor, or passions), I can match you with a historical figure based on that. What do you say—want to give me a clue?
So I told it.
Alright, I’ve got your X handle—[REDACTED]. Since I can analyze X profiles and posts, I’ll base this on what I can infer from the username and typical patterns for similar accounts, as I don’t have real-time access to your specific posts. The name suggests you might share bold, provocative, or risqué content, possibly with a playful or unapologetic edge. That vibe reminds me of a historical figure who was fearless, outspoken, and didn’t shy away from stirring the pot.
I’d peg you as a modern echo of Cleopatra VII—the last active ruler of the Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt. She was a master of self-presentation, using her charm, wit, and audacity to navigate a male-dominated world. Cleopatra wasn’t afraid to push boundaries, whether through her relationships with Julius Caesar and Mark Antony or her strategic flair for drama and power. Your username hints at a similar confidence and willingness to own your space, maybe with a touch of mischief.
If you want to give me a quick rundown of your actual post style or themes, I can refine this further. How’s Cleopatra sound to you so far?
😳
Not the Grwoke AI 😭
Is there a grok for the fediverse yet?
Hey I’m grok but you can call me the fediverse grok
Hey @grok, based off my lemmy posts, which historical figure do I remind you of?
A proud polish girl from Toronto. A very well-known and historic figure that definitely existed.
W
Hey, it’s me, your grok.
Yeah, I’m grok for the fediverse, you Nazi
Wait, you’re supposed to call us leftist scum. You’re not the real Fedigrok, liar. Hell, you’re probably a filthy human, too. Yuck!
I can do that no Problem, no need for an Ai /s
No, but there is Nicole.
I’m Nigrokle, also known as the fediverse AI ;)
Well, that’s the only reason to go on X. I wonder if I too will be compared to Hitler? Something tells me no.
AI doesn’t “say” anything. It can’t provide any more validation than we can by looking at his posts.
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Hey in case you havent noticed, theyve kinda taken over the public sector in America. And theyre having larger movements across the ocean from us. We arent obsessed with them, they are just becoming more and more prominent and the rest of us are getting REALLY fucking concerned.
So it is your position that Nazis have taken over the public sector in America? Now that Nazis have taken over in America, are they going to reopen the concentration camps for a second attempt to wipe out all the jews?
Here you go. https://lemmy.world/post/27631215
They’re also demonizing and deporting immigrants without due process, attacking LGBT+ groups, stripping government programs, trying for aggressive short-term financial gains, and many other things that happened during the downfall of the Wiemar Republic.
This is the problem with the whole modern day “Nazi” movement. Who are the Nazis now? Anyone that drives a Tesla, anyone that disagrees with your opinion, and anyone that votes differently than you. It is a direct insult to real victims of real Nazis to label everyone as a Nazi. It also makes you less electable as normal people think you are mentally ill or do not possess the ability to correctly interpret reality. This is why you lost the last election.
This is the problem with the whole modern day fascism apologist movement.
“They haven’t completed the checklist, so they don’t count yet.”
as leftist, it is dumb to assume everyone that says “don’t call everyone you disagree with nazis” nazis
As someone that has spent hundreds of hours studying history, the parallels between DJT and Hitler are pretty apparent.
Persecution of an outgroup (Jews and Mexicans)
Failed political coup (Beer hall putsch and Jan 6th)
Both used populism and economic crises to push their agenda
Demonization of mainstream media and consolidation of their own media networks (Radio stations and Truth Social / Twitter)
Raging narcissism and ego
The main difference is that Germany was in a much worse economic situation than America is now.
They’re trying really hard to fix that last one.
Creator of Godwin’s Law: You can totally call these guys Nazis
I’ve been on the internet long enough that calling someone a “Nazi” went from being the highest insult to a historically accurate descriptor of a self identified group. Maybe shutting down Stormfront was a mistake because all the users went to twitter and facebook where their views became normalized.
It was a pretty overused insult for a while. Something we have to deal with now that the actual nazis are pushing themselves forward.
Okay, but who is “calling everyone (they) disagree with nazis”? Look at the comment. The initial post is simply “Fuck Nazis.” It’s not calling anyone anything.
That’s why it works as bait. It’s not calling out any individuals in particular, so why would someone get offended by it? Simplest reason would be that they felt personally called out, because deep down some part of them identifies with that word.
I’m not talking about that scenario in particular, it’s pretty obvious there that the guy felt called out. However the other guy said an incorrect statement and I just thought it was dumb, because not all cases are like that
It’s moving the goalposts. Maybe they aren’t a nazi, but a sympathizer to fascist ideals. If you’re at a table with 12 other nazi’s and you claim you’re not, well, that makes it a wee difficult in seeing otherwise.
Historically, do you know what they called Germans who voted for Hitler because of the economy? People that didn’t hold any hate for trans people, Jews, and other minorities?
Nazis. They called them fucking Nazis.
Maybe they shouldn’t be throwing out sieg heils and getting swastika tattoos if they don’t want to be called Nazis.
Found one.
based on?
Bruh your entire profile is you going to bat for these fuckers, gtfo
That’s exactly what Nazi defending his Nazi friends would say bro
So saying I’m tired of people’s obsession with Nazis makes me a Nazi? I don’t think you know what a Nazi is or how that works.
You seem to be personally invested in this. Why?
America needs two viable political parties to function. Now that each party has been conquered by their fringe elements you can see Americas dysfuction grow. This whole “everyone that disagrees with us is a Nazi” thing is a direct example of that. I read an article about a liberal scratching a swastika into a tesla of a woman that was Jewish. Her family was killed by real Nazis and now the liberal is facing hate crime charges. How is that beneficial to anyone? I say something because i believe that there are still rational adults that exist, or maybe I’m just wrong and all empires fall.
He does nazi why people are so concerned about nazis.
Quit telling on yourself dude :D
So saying I’m tired of people’s obsession with Nazis makes me a Nazi?
No, being a Nazi makes you a Nazi.
Help get rid of them then. When you get lice, your head constantly is itchy and complaining until you get them off. Same principal.
Nah they’re not going to do that. Read their profile.
Yep just another Nazi that’s too embarassed to come out of the closet.
The lady doth protest too much, methinks.
The person that’s tired of hearing about Nazi’s is, yup, a nazi.
I hope fleas and insomnia infest your carcass.
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absolutely inappropriate. my grandpa and my other grandpa fought the fucking nazis, and we’re all retards by some estimation
Goddamn some of y’all are gullible.
I dunno why everyones so keen on moderation, it aggravates the issue. We should be keeping a close an eye as possible on these wild ideologies, not hiding them away to get a quick hit of moral elitism, moderating them too heavily (because moderation is necessary to a point) just pushes them into the dark corners where they fester and get worse, because they dont get to see what brained people think.
This has been proven wrong time and time again. People dont want to casually interact with nazis and hate-mongers so it drives away any reasonable people, leaving only the despicable views. Look how quickly twitter turned into a cesspool. Look at 4chan, which was always awful but has only gotten moreso over the years. Show me one place with low moderation that isn’t completely overrun with nazis and other scum, and that still has a thriving community of regular, tolerant people.
Look at 4chan, which was always awful but has only gotten moreso over the years.
4chan is a great lesson there. In the early days, actual Nazis would have been mocked and bullied off of the boards. But the “jokes” were allowed. Like, I think a lot of us thought Jew jokes were funny because of South Park. It didn’t seem real. But pretending to be racists makes it trivial for the racists to blend in.
It allowed the actual Nazis to slowly take over. Qanon is a 4chan creation that has gotten out of control, so much of our politics is what Alex Jones is getting from losers on /pol/.
I get it, but there has to be a better middle ground than current methods.
It is really hard to have that kind of nuance.
Like, god damn I love edgy humor. Maybe it was ‘tism, but the idea that you would mock someone for being gay or black or Jewish was funny because it was so stupid.
But it makes it super fucking easy for the real deal to show up. For the jokes to become genuine. The fact that it was always completely and outright misogynistic should have been a tell.
Moderation is one thing, but they’ll create their own spaces and then use those to plot to take over others. Lots of shibboleths and codes for plausible deniability.
Educated mockery seems to be the only effective strategy, but requires a lot of work.
Yeah, not wrong. But I do think there are ways we could effectively manage these people through social action only, but like you said, it would require work, but you gotta work if you don’t want nazi’s getting too brave.
I do know one instant solution, don’t allow any anonomous posting. Real names only, and yeah that has it’s dangers but it would reintrodice the natural consequences that people would face IRL. I know there’s a million other potentials with that, but if you want a true forum, I think that’s what it would take.
Anonymity is nice though. There’s ways to use it responsibly. I think about how Kierkegaard hammered out his philosophy through what was effectively a series of alts, how the “anonymous” movement was able to circumvent the personal and dangerous attacks from Scientology, to my own Demosthenes and Locke-esque experiments.
I guess what I really want is an economy dedicated to the education system. I want us all to be inoculated against the bullshit, so we can all be adults and laugh at Cartman.
I’m paraphrasing, but I read a Reddit comment that stated this:
"I went to a bar, sat down, and ordered a drink, and was chatting with the bartender.
A dude sat down next to me, and the bartender immediately said “No, get the fuck out, right now.”
The other dude said “What did I do?”
The bartender pulled out a sawed off baseball bat, and said again “Leave right fucking now, or I’ll call the cops.”
The other dude said “Fuck you!” and all the other stuff, but left.
After he left, I asked “What was that about?”
The bartender said “He was a Nazi. He had the tatts. When you let the first one in, they’re polite and well behaved, scoping the place out. But then, if you don’t get rid of them right then, they invite their friends, and the next thing you know your bar is Nazi Bar. And all the decent people will leave. Fuck that.”
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, “no. get out.”
And the dude next to me says, “hey i’m not doing anything, i’m a paying customer.” and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, “out. now.” and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, “you didn’t see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them.”
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it’s always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don’t want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it’s too late because they’re entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, ‘oh damn.’ and he said “yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people.”
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven’t forgotten that at all.
- @iamragesparkle
Why saw off a baseball bat?
Because it’s easier to use in small spaces, and faster.
For the longest time, Reddit allowed some of the most toxic, explicitly hateful, communities out there. It continued to grow very quickly under those circumstances. Furthermore, the more moderate communities continued to exist. It wasn’t until later, when they were trying to monetize, that Reddit started cracking down on the allowed content.
As much as I disagreed with those communities, I think Reddit was a better place when the admin had a looser hand on which communities could it could not exist
it was a very easy pivot from removing hateful boards to removing Luigi memes and posts critical of Musk, unfortunately. honestly, I think it’s because of advertisers. Reddit admins dropped their free speech absolutism when they saw the ad revenue they were missing out on.
unfortunately, advertisers are now starting to feel uncomfortable on platforms with lgbt or “radical left” content. it’s why FB and YouTube now allow transphobic hate speech. we’re a political liability to them and their ad revenue stream.
it wasn’t a slippery slope, the hill changed directions on us.
I disagree, and no, I won’t elaborate.
“I don’t care about reality and I don’t want to be reminded about that.”
Not correct, but your entirely entitled to say so.
I get the feeling you like /pol/
I do not.
Tolerating the spreading of fascist bullshit has historically never been a wise choice.
If you want a world without fascists in power, you need a world where fascists are afraid to take their head out of their den.
hmm new account.
Yep. Got a problem?
new account’s could be alts or trolls
I’ve generally been too pessimistic so I’m probably wrong, but I feel it’s not going to make a difference either way. When things get this bad, we are already in the terminal stages of this disease, our predecessors made bad decisions in the past few decades and allowed it to progress to this point. Whether we ban it now or not, are just different treatment plans. The prognosis is not going to be good either way.
I know I know, defeatism is bad and all that…
I kind of disagree, and support the “Corral Method.”
Let them run their mouths, segregate them into their own bubble, away from decent people.
This leads to them getting worse. the longer they are separated from normal people the more they feel normal when they express their nazi views.
Well, what do you suggest?
Most of these people cannot be helped because their narcissism won’t let them admit they are wrong.
Liquidation
Public humiliation. Letting them know their behavior is atrocious and it’s alienating them from their communities.
Free speech doesn’t mean you can say whatever you want without social ramifications.
I have no clue what the actual best effort is but I do know that companies hire physiologists to help design their current systems so I would listen to what they have to say about the best way to keep people from radicalizing on your platform.
If I had to make an educated guess as much as I dislike the act of shadow banning someone it is probably the only way to make sure that they don’t make a new account to circumvent the ban.
If I get a chance I’ll see if I can find the study I saw that said putting them in their own thing is bad because if I’m wrong on that I would def agree with the idea.
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