• Fizz@lemmy.nz
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    9 months ago

    This is so sinophobic! Dont you know that never happened and if it did it was because of America and capitalism.

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        9 months ago

        Its not serious. I’m just poking fun at the tankies who would defend the massacre by claiming it didnt happen then say but if it did happen america was behind it.

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            9 months ago

            No just a joke. I’m not making an argument so strawmaning doesnt apply.

            Also it wouldn’t even be a strawman because tankies(you) actually respond like that every time. Someone even linked a video of a tankie doing exactly that.

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                9 months ago

                There are tankies in this very post doing this very thing. You saying “strawmanning” is just deflection and denial, just like how your favorite authoritarians deal with this day in history. Just deny, deny, deny.

                Enjoy the taste of those boots.

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        9 months ago

        probably referring to this I didn’t check the sources myself but this does feel very convincing especially with the longer tank man video which doesn’t fit the narrative I always hear for the picture

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          That video is the exact person I was mocking. Its pure historical revision from a blantant propagandist. No one claims the tank ran anyone over, thats a strawman from people like the man in your video. The tank man is a powerful picture because its a man standing up to the army just after they slaughtered 1000s of uni students. If you felt convinced by that you should look into the history of what happened its a short read.

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              Yeah there is no evidence to suggest what the numbers were the local gov said it was 300 dead so we know its at least that but others who were there estimated up to several thousand. Most estimates are 500-1500 range it seems with thousands wounded.

              It was a big protest and China tanks needed to be sent in so I think 1000 is reasonable.

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              9 months ago

              Nah. The guy blocks the tanks as they’re leaving the square. The days before were filled with the army firing live rounds into crowds of protestors and a tank running people over and soldiers being swarmed and beaten to death. Crazy shit.

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            9 months ago

            No one claims the tank ran anyone over, thats a strawman from people like the man in your video.

            People claim this all the time…

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              9 months ago

              The claim people actually talk about is a tank ran over students the day before.

              Then tankies(you) strawman that claim to be about the tank man photo so they can setup themselves up to debunk it by showing the video. Then they can say “see guys the tank didnt run him over and actually they were pretty nice to him and everything else youve heard is not true dont research it just take my word for it”

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                  9 months ago

                  My claim? You don’t even care who you’re replying to, everyone is wrong and nothing else matters xD change name to emptybox, I say

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    9 months ago

    I can’t believe the mods and admins allow such a racist meme to stay up.

    Ralph being yellow while talking about the Chinese with the red seats is more than just a dog whistle.

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    9 months ago

    Why don’t you ask the kids at Tiananmen square?

    Was fashion nothing the reason why they were there?

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    Most people were killed when the tanks were on their way towards the square and not in it. So the student would have technically already been dead before it reached Tiananman

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    9 months ago

    What is Tiananmen square? I tried asking on reddit and got banned.

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      “the same number of violent deaths as on any random weekend in the United States.”

      Use critical thinking here. Even if this is the number, it is equating the violent deaths at a single location to the total number of violent deaths in the entire United States over a weekend. This one little tidbit lets you know of the angle of the article and the misinformation it tries to hide in plain sight.

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        it’s not a particularly long post; if you’re really confident in the veracity of the narrative you’re familiar with then you shouldn’t need to be afraid to read something that contradicts it.

        (and btw, neither of the two posts i linked claims nothing happened there.)

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    Doesn’t the United States do a similar thing in weaponizing the police against its own citizens? U.S. police violence against protesters, police killings of black and brown people, police killing of mentally ill people. Using military surplus weapons from Iraq and war tactics against its own citizens (LRAD weapons, mass arrests, tear gas).(Kent State Shooting, Civil Rights Movement, George Floyd protests, Occupy Wall Street, Palestine protests).

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        Not yet. The wiping things out of history move already has begun, when the regime started removing „DEI“ people from government sources. Maybe much before that, when they started banning books on a state level.

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        When Kent State happened, surveys showed an overwhelming majority of Americans blamed the students for getting shot more than they blamed the guard for shooting them. There were all sorts of fake news stories going around on TV about how the protests were filled with outside agitators doing things like putting LSD in the water supply. It was only once the opportunity for a reaction was safely past that they said, “Oopsie, we made a mistake.” There have been many other cases where the government and media lied until it determined it was safe enough to tell the truth, including the justifications for several major wars.

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      Jk, that shit happens, but when it does it becomes massive news stories instead of being suppressed, and it is allowed to have ripple effects across politics and society instead of the government imprisoning anyone who mentions abuses.

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        but when it does it becomes massive news stories instead of being suppressed, and it is allowed to have ripple effects across politics and society instead of the government imprisoning anyone who mentions abuses.

        To be fair, someone else replied to mention the Tulsa Race Massacre… Something that I (and every American I’ve spoken to about it) did not know existed prior to seeing the Watchmen TV series.

        So…

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          There is being ignorant and there is being censored. Information on the Tulsa race riot is freely available, information on the Tiananmen Square massacre is actively suppressed in China.

          One is your own failing, the other is manipulation

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            The information is freely available because you can do nothing about it. The student protests about israel were shut down. If it was deemed a greater threat, then even more violence would have been used.

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        I’m watching the US government running interference for Israel and arresting students for being anti-genocide/ pro-Palestine. Legacy corporate media burying articles on Palestine and Israeli war crimes on US gov’t behalf. Legacy corporate media lying about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as a pretense to invade and later laundering and resurrecting war criminal George W. Bush’s reputation after the war. Corporate media’s suppression of Biden’s senility while in office and now Jake Tapper is on a propaganda tour saying what everyone knew all along even though Democratic party insiders would straight up lie about it.

        Not saying China good. Obviously what they did is awful. I’m saying the US is also not great.

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      Not even comparable. Scroll up to the top and read the report from the British Government and then tell me that they’re the same.

      Or is there an event in US history I wasn’t aware of where our military literally liquidized student protestors and swept the resulting sludge into storm drains?