Looks at:
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AAA games costing 100€+ between base game and season pass.
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Online services on consoles constantly raising prices.
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Consoles that, over the time cost more instead of less.
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Wages frozen in time for years.
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Rest of unrelated to videogames stuff but that drain people’s wages.
I WONDER WHY YOUNG PEOPLE SPEND LESS IN VIDEOGAMES…
Also competition, and I’m not actually talking about indie games, although that’s helping. Competition with older games. Why in the world would someone pay $80 for a mediocre new game when they could replay a classic hit that they haven’t played in few years? When was the last time you played the witcher 3, or the mass effect trilogy? Would you rather replay one of those, or pay $80 for the new assassin’s creed?
Or even better, play an old game that you still haven’t played. I can get titanfall 2 for the price of a coffee and play it for the first time if I’m craving for a good AAA fps.
The single player is pretty good in that. It’s definitely worth trying out.
Being in the giant mech doesn’t feel any different than not being in it though. That’s my only complaint.
I remember at the time titanfall came out, the mechs moving like a human was a selling point. I do agree though it is odd to experience when its not a novelty.
Oh shiiiit, do that and come back and talk to us when you get to the time travel level.
Are we just in the phase of the medium where technology isn’t the defining quality. It would be slightly weird to try to stay at the forefront of, say, novels without any regard for reading classics. Why shouldn’t games be the same?
And even today’s potato PCs can run old AAA titles just fine.
There’s also lots of (frequently not even that) old games that I never got around to/never heard about that I can now get on sale for 5$ or whatever, so it’s not always a matter of replaying.
Just (re) started Dead Space after not playing it for 10-15 years. Still good, still enjoy, why buy when I can just replay games I’ve forgotten the story to?
Same for Control a few months ago… And I’m sure others.
Especially when most games that’ve come out this year run like shit, and a new graphics card is nearly a rent payment
I replay TLOU, TLOU 2 and Days Gone yearly.
I used to play new big AAA games, but none of them seem interesting these days.
I’d rather replay old games that are top tier than waste time on mediocre new crap.
Studies conducted at my desk and on my couch have also found a downward trend in video game quality.
I’m a pretty conservative game purchaser. I’ve never paid over $40 for a game (including games on sale) because there are so, so many amazing indie games on Steam that charge so little for many hours of fun.
When I see a AAA game come out, I know it’s going to be profit-driven, uninspired, and rushed because it exists solely for the purpose of making money for a large corp. For that reason (among others), I avoid them altogether because I know my dollar goes way further going toward an independent developer who makes games for passion (and only sometimes for money). The passion always shines through in their work, unlike passionless AAA games.
Yup, no way to figured this one out.
Don’t forget all the online requirements with accounts even if you want to play single player, and constant server issues on launch that seem to happen with every game now because none of them allow community servers anymore.
The death of community servers is why I stopped playing multiplayer.
The gaming landscape was just so much better back when communities were able to self-host and moderate before matchmaking and corporate automated moderation became the norm.
I still play multiplayer, but on games that still support community servers like Minecraft, Enshrouded, Arma 3, Space Engineers…
How has Enshrouded been doing? I haven’t been able to get on my PC in almost a year and only got to play it on initial release.
It’s good, there’s been a few major updates adding new zones, better NPCs, animals, more gear/weapons, and so on…
At least it is still being updated and just happy to hear it hasn’t gone dark like most other Early Access titles.
Yeah they’re making steady progress on major updates, and releasing patches for bugs and tweaks in between.
Free games like fortnite
Also, with the speed that games have been coming out the last 20 years, there’s always something on sale to play
Also, the games market was brought up a lot by the global pandemic and had to come down eventually.
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I’m sure it has nothing to do with shitty half baked $70 games
and the microtransactions inside them. and the underwhelming day 1 dlc.
with no new ideas and safe bets only.
As a rule, I never buy games on release. From everything I hear, you pay twice the price to get an unfinished game in most cases.
I put them on my wishlist, keep an eye on the reviews and depending on those I decide how much of a discount it will require for me to actually buy the game. Usually I end up getting them at least a year later and/or at least at 50% off.
Funny how that happens when people don’t have any money.
And when so much of gaming is shit.
Honestly, this has been a great year for games. The past 5 years have been pretty great.
Agreed. Many good games dropped this year. Expedition 33, death stranding 2, oblivion remastered.
Dark Souls 4 DLC was p great.
Games are getting more expensive. Console prices are going nuts; the Playstation 2 launched at $299 USD.
Wages have been stagnant longer than I’ve been alive. More and more people are struggling to make ends meet let alone buy luxuries like video games, particularly the young because of our kleptogeriocracy.
Younger folks often use video games as a hangout spot, because young folks hanging out together in public is a felony now. So they play the same few games for tens of thousands of hours. Minecraft, Roblox, Fortnite, I think the crowd that spend their adolescences in Garrysmod are in the attrition phase. You’ve already got a copy of these games, why buy another?
A lot of studios are being closed because business major’s gonna business. Fuck brand recognition or loyalty, fuck development talent, fuck community building, fuck long-term strategy, we can realize a gain right now by sowing half the planet with salt, so that’s what we’re going to do. So what is there for people to buy?
That noise you heard last week was Xbox’s death rattle. One out of the three mainstream home console platforms is an outright stupid idea to buy now.
+1 to literally everything.
Fuck brand recognition or loyalty, fuck development talent, fuck community building, fuck long-term strategy, we can realize a gain right now by sowing half the planet with salt, so that’s what we’re going to do. So what is there for people to buy?
I wish this would fit on a bumpersticker.
That noise you heard last week was Xbox’s death rattle. One out of the three mainstream home console platforms is an outright stupid idea to buy now.
And wasn’t Sony the big risk of bowing out before? And then we got the Switch 2… It’s remarkable that Microsoft somehow made Xbox the least likely to survive.
the Playstation 2 launched at $299 USD.
Not disagreeing with you, but with inflation that’s about $558 as of this comment.
Inflation, yeah. The thing that has absolutely never been applied to wages?
This, people still trying to feed their families with 7.25, not out of laziness or refusal to get “real job” but desperation
“You’re paid what you’re worth!111!!11”
Bitch if human beings were paid what they were worth, poverty would actually be a moral failing instead of a societial one.
Not disagreeing with you
I hear about these cases of inflation, like the fact a pack of gum cost 15 trillion Zimbabwe dollars, or immediately after WWII the German…reichmarke or whatever they called it, was so worthless it took a wheelbarrow full to buy a loaf of bread.
Where do I get a wheelbarrow full of uselessly inflated USD? It’s not actually inflation, is it?
You’re thinking of hyperinflation. If that happens in the US you can have your wheelbarrow of dollars. Inflation makes money worth less, hyperinflation makes money worthless.
because of our kleptogeriocracy
Because of our what?
Rule by elderly thieves. Klepto-geri-ocracy.
thieving old ruling class.
Old people be stealing
I bet you money right now that the next Xbox will be the best selling Xbox ever.
If I understand the situation, they’re rebranding an Asus ROG handheld, which I imagine isn’t going to outsell the Steam Deck or whatever the thing Lenovo is shipping with both Windows or SteamOS on, because they’re late to the game and they’ll fuck it up somehow, and I give 50/50 odds that there will be an announcement that they’re cancelling the next home console launch.
That’s not the next Xbox I mean, but it’s a glimpse at it. It’s clear that the direction this is going is that Xbox moving forward is going to be a Steam competitor and a launcher at the same time. The next Xbox console will be a prebuilt PC. A literal prebuilt PC running windows that can play Steam, PC games and Gamepass at current Series X quality or a little bit better priced somewhere between $700 to $900. Maybe a Series S type performance for $400-500. Build me a PC with similar performance at that price. You can’t because the GPU market is insane. I’m not saying there’s no pitfalls, but if they pull it off they will sell these things like crazy.
I could probably build a gaming PC that matches the Series S for $500 with an AMD APU, some Ryzen thing with integrated graphics, no discrete GPU. The Steam Deck makes it work in a handheld format, I can do it in a PC case. Or, go buy used. There’s gonna be a lot of perfectly game capable machines being sold off because they won’t run Win 11. Slap Linux + Steam on there and you’re gaming.
Ok, so you think the mass market likes buying used stuff? Because as far as I’m aware the average consumer would rather buy a new lower end device than a used higher end device.
But yes the next Xbox has already been teased as running an AMD chip that will be sued across form factors , so you get where they are coming from. They are not about to let Valve and Linux run with the PC market, which continues to grow while the console market continues to shrink.
next Xbox
If it’s really a PC, I bet AMD customized Strix Halo (their 40 CU APU) for Microsoft instead of doing a fully custom chip like before.
It’d save them money (as custom chip tapeouts are 9 figures last I heard). I bet Microsoft couldn’t help themselves, heh.
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I love the constant onslaught of articles that are like “people aren’t spending money anymore!!!” Open your damn eyes. We all got smart and refuse to pay $80 (which is now the new forced norm for “AAA” garbage) and are replaying oldies and indies. Hell, I revamped my 3DS and have dumped a ton of games onto it. I can even play some of them online with people again via Pretendo.
Like all of the reasons are so obvious why people aren’t dumping money into this industry anymore. Capitalists fucked it all up and put profit over fun. We’re not all dipshits that fall for the constant micro transactions and grifts.
I legit don’t give a single shit about any of the new “AAA” games coming out. Give me a call when they’re in the bargain bin years from now.
Exactly this. The new game cycle these days is:
- Game is announced with shiny video showing all sorts of cool stuff.
- Release date is announced.
- Game is delayed.
- Reviewers/early access people get it, turns out it has none of the cool stuff form the announcement video.
- Game is delayed again.
- Game finally comes out, with 3 different tiers that are like $80, $100 and $120 CAD depending on if you want the version of the game that’s 30%, 40% or 50% complete.
- Game doesn’t work.
- After about two years and 10 DLC packs you have about 80% of the functional game, the other 20% being stuff they were supposed to add but just never bothered, what are you gonna do about it? By this point you no longer care about the game anyway.
- Sequel is announced with shiny video showing all sorts of cool stuff, devs promise they’ve fixed all the broken stuff this time for real.
- Company gets bought by EA or Epic, all devs are replaced.
- Game is delayed.
Like genuinely who wants to bother with that nonsense anymore TBH.
Give me a call when they’re in the bargain bin years from now.
If they’re still functional, thankfully there’s the Stop Killing Games movement.
I love the movement that has gotten. I’m cheering for it.
People are dumping money still, revenue isn’t shrinking
Yeah, I think the decline is a drop in a bucket considering. I know plenty of people still buying the Switch 2 etc. on launch day.
We can’t justify the price. The end. That’s it.
I was super interested in the Dune game, then they decided to not participate in the stream sale. Okay. Too bad. Life goes on. Get fucked, greedy devs.
I will say though, if you’re the kind of guy who likes MMOs and RPGs (like me) you’ll love dune.
I used to play a ton of RuneScape back in the day, and recently I’ve been playing Eve and Star Citizen but dune is just a better game in every possible way than those three. I’ve been so obsessed that I had to uninstall it this week so I could get to sleep on time for work haha
Eh. I know what all PvP centric games turn into unless you’re willing to devote a fuckton of hours into it and get into a great guild. I’ll pass.
Somewhere out there is an article by someone who walked around a games conference and came away from the experience horrified that so much of the content he was seeing was from small indie studios who weren’t in a position to hire wastes of oxygen like himself, and was furiously nail-biting about what this would do to the state of the industry.
Related news is the authors of Dave the Diver having to explain that they are in no way an independent studio, and they do not deserve the award they just received for “best independent blah blah,” because “indie” has at this point simply become completely synonymous with “original and good.”
Related news is the authors of Dave the Diver having to explain that they are in no way an independent studio
To save people from looking it up: The studio that made Dave the Diver is traded on the Tokyo stock exchange, has 7,000 employees, and brings in $2 billion USD per year.
It’s a two part answer.
One, gamers have less money to spend, along with everyone else.
Two, expensive AAA title games these days tend to be shit, from a graphics, code, community, and content standpoint. If you want good games, cheaper is usually better.
Last AAA title game I bought was Borderlands 3, and I don’t see myself buying anymore in the next two years or so.
I lost my last nerve with Gearbox when I had to figure out how to remove ads in a Borderlands game. No way they’re going to subject me to an ad for a game I would have otherwise bought.
Don’t forget about microtransactions, they might be a significant portion of the decline.
And now BL3 is literally $3 on steam. I paid fucking $60 or $70 for it. Whatever it was.
I got shadow of mordor on a huge discount and it still barely felt worth it.
I’m just done with Capitalism in general. I got 1000 games, 200 of which are GOG offline installers. Those are burned onto M-Disc storage for the apocalypse. Cancelled all TV streaming, no buying games or books even. Nothing but food and bills now as I wait for it all to collapse.
I got 1000 games, 200 of which are GOG offline installers.
Nothing but food and bills now as I wait for it all to collapse.
While I’ll believe that you have solid storage longevity, prepping for societal collapse by archiving 1000 video games seems kind of unorthodox.
Hey, having access to entertainment is actually pretty damn important. What you gonna do to pass the time?
Though honestly, wasting the limited power someone would have after the grid fails on gaming isn’t the brightest of ideas.
Not to mention, after the collapse, free time will basically be a rare luxury. Your entire time would be taken up by surviving and maintaining your ability to continue to survive, especially if you aren’t preconfiguring a community support network for when shit hits the fan and just going the “lone prepper” route.
M-Disc
woah woah woah, Mr. Namedrop. What is this, now? 100GB RW Blu-rays? $57 for a pack of 6?
$57 for 600GB
$100 for a 4TB WD Red
the hard drive won’t last as long
That implies it’s powered. Would it last as long as cold storage? (with running disk checks every six months)
…this is so offtopic, but I must know.
Hard drives are affected by bit rot even when not in use. A disk check every six months would help, but is not a guarantee against data corruption or loss. M-DISCs are physically etched, and should last around a lifetime to a thousand years, depending on who you believe. The catch would be being able to read it in the distant future (in other words, if you’re using M-DISC as a backup solution, you should also have a backup disc drive).
I’d need roughly 15-16 packs to do my entire archive atm, which is nearly $860.
…buuuut, I also see value in doing something like this over time. Say, I buy a pack once or twice a month, back up some data.
Yeah. In my case, I’m mainly only doing this for irreplaceable data, such as documents and photos.
M-Discs are just like Blu-ray storage. However, they are not re-writable, instead being physically engraved with a laser. They are marketed as lasting 1000 years. Get yourself a nice Bluray-writer and you’re all set.
You would have to weigh disk rot vs hard disk mechanical component failure.
M-discs don’t rot, theoretically they’re one of the best consumer long term storage mediums. I think the practical issue with them on a super long timescale is keeping a functional reader if blurays fall out of fashion.
For a WD Red? Get that shingled magnetic shit out of my NAS.
I’m riding the hobo, external bus here, senior admin.
If everyone thought like you, we’d all be dead.
The Cult of Consumption
The hobby is getting more expensive while income left over after cost of living is going down. This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone.
They’re charging more money for lower quality games. Glad less people are buying.
When new games are approaching $100 and you know you can wait a month or two for it to drop $40 it’s an easy decision
60-80 for the base half-finished game plus 30+ for DLC, console extras
I know I’d rather wait a month than spend $40+ extra for the privilege of being an unpaid beta tester
Might as well wait for them to finish the game and release it as a game of the year edition, whatever that means anymore
kinda stupid that it isnt called complete edition
I’m pushing 40 so I’m not young but I’ve actually been buying more games lately thanks to being patient and not rushing out to buy AAA games along with switching from console to PC, gotta love Steam sales. I just bought two games I’ve been wanting to play for $30.
Exactly, picked up RDR2, AC Odyssey and Bloodborne for about $45 recently. This constant pressure to move people toward a subscription model only works if there’s trust. Too much bullshit = shrinking sales
I picked up three games for mad cheap that I’ve pirated for a long time. I’ll give you money devs, if the price is right.
I’m a bit younger, though not a lot.
I all but stopped buying games because Epic and Amazon give so many away for free.
I’ve got like 500 free games that I haven’t even installed once.
The only time I’d actually pay for a game is if it’s a special one I want, and they’ve gotten few and far between.
Ugh first millennials aren’t buying homes fast enough now it’s this darn gen Z and not buying video games and 12 different streaming platforms. Such spoiled generations
Saw this stupid fucking headline on some magazine a coworker left behind today.
Gross
Melissa Bourgeois
Hmmm, I dunno if I trust her, guys…
How dare they? They should be starving themselves so they can play great art such as Concord.
Older games are better plus gamers can play all our existing games.
Every game or movie that comes out now is a reboot/remake. Why would I buy that? I already bought that.
Definitely not true in the case of games.
