Why would one need to save up vacation days to take a “full paycheck” off? That is one month, so 20 working days? 20 working days should be very common mount of available vacation days per year (at least in EU)?
The European mind cannot comprehend this.
20 working days should be very common mount of available vacation days per year (at least in EU)
Americans:
I probably shouldn’t mention that 20 days is the legal minimum for full-time employment, and that 30 days is the typical amount most people receive. And there are extra days for getting promoted or working 10+ years…
Flexing on us with that parenthetical statement
I’m on a three week break and that’s like normal summer holiday for most of us in France. I’d even say on the small side because we can’t really be away that much from our respective jobs. The main difference is what one can afford to do during those three weeks, for sure, but otherwise we are paid the same.
A full paycheck for an extended period contains many paychecks.
Oh I was assuming a 2 week pay period so 10 days and still not all that surprised that someone would get that. Someone working part time more than likely won’t get get any vacation nor sick time at all in America.
They didn’t notice getting paid out for all of their vacation days?
I’m guessing it was USA and they were just lost.
They just get lost in the UK too, most places seem pretty good about making sure you take them though.
At the first full time job I had in Oz there were a bunch of old dudes who had each accrued over a year in untaken annual leave. The company had to crack down on it and make them start taking it because it was a huge liability, both financially and as a risk to actually getting work done. They had to develop plans for them to take it a couple months at a time.
Yeah this happened to me as a Kiwi living in the UK. First job over there. My boss just let me take them, even though they had all expired.
What a champ!
Gosh, I’m quite shocked at the UK. They are not ally pretty good for workers rights.
The worker in Australia may have accrued long service leave. It’s a seperate entitlement that means younger 3 months leave at once,.on top of holiday entitlement, after working somewhere for 10 years.
Older contracts and union deals can be quite good in the UK. I would bet if this company doesn’t have a union that newer employees would be limited in the number of days they can transfer to the next year, likely less than a week.
Yeah the company I worked for let you shift 5 but you had to take them within the first 3 months
No no, this was multiple old guys and in addition to long service leave, they just never took leave.
For the UK I think the policy is in support of worker rights, in a round about kind of way. If you let people pay it out then they might never take leave and won’t get the benefits of actually having had a break from work.
Won’t mine don’t. If you still have days they either make you take them or they pay them out, about 3 years ago I had about a week due and it was around Christmas I wanted to take the week before Christmas off but it wasn’t an option and they had to pay me the days back. They were very cross about, but it was their fault for miscalculating staffing.
Interesting, I got the impression it was a regulatory requirement. My wife’s firm did the same thing, but maybe it was just company policies where we worked.
If I got paid out for my vacations, I would not take my vacations ever. Probably a good thing they don’t pay them out.
Yup. The only thing you can count on from your employer is what they have already given you. I don’t believe any promises.
Many places don’t pay them out - use or lose.
That’s fucked up
'Murica
Took you 4 years to decide to fucking read your contract?
Lol, it’d be nice if they gave you one to read, but that’s generally not the case.
I read mine. My boss sent it to me 2 days before I actually started working there, then he let me work there for a week before actually signing, with all benefits being contractually valid from the day I started, not from the day I signed.
If you never saw your contract, get a lawyer.
We have this information but it’s usually pamphlets, not a contract you sign. I haven’t ever signed a contract for a job. I’ve signed things, yeah, like NDAs and stuff or an offer letter, but that’s it.
How do you sign it then?
Usually it’s an NDA or something.
What do you sign when you start your job?
Honestly never heard of no contract, what country is this?
You sign an offer. Then there’s a separate pamphlet with benefits they hide in the depths of the supply closet somewhere.
My position is a state position in Europe. Since the specifics of the contract are standardized, and can be found online (theoretically), I didn’t have to sign a contract to start working. I hated it… still do, even if the job is overall good. I only have a piece of paper from HR stating that the state granted me the position.
That should be illegal in any country
In Brazil you have a month of paid vacation for each worked year and you can’t work for more that 2 years without using your vacation time. HR would force you to take your vacation time even if you don’t want.
as a heads up, if you can save enough money to take a sabbatical, you should. It was the greatest time of my fuckin’ life.
I’d love to but all the logistics are overwhelming for me. What made your sabbatical so good? Was it easy to finance?
Was it easy to finance?
I mean… yes and no? I earned about £35k+ per annum between between 2013 ish and 2017 ish, and didn’t spend much money on hobbies and such and being frugal. So I was saving money without trying that hard, and figured that about £16k was enough to take a year out to try to learn spanish and slightly change careers, if I spent about £1k a month.
What made your sabbatical so good?
The complete freedom, living on my own, being able to work on daily and long term goals. I lived in a town that was near london, so it was (kinda) cheaper, walkable, 1 h away from london so I could visit from time to time, and had a climbing center nearby.
I took the time to get regular exercise, work on my mental health, learn spanish and just live at my own pace. I even travelled a little (I had a holiday I booked in 2017 for 2018 that I was going on anyway to visit LATAM, and Behold The Arctopus was playing live gigs again for the first time in 5 years, and obviously they were not coming to europe, so I went to NY for like 5ish days (3 days + 1 night + 1 morning). [EDIT : I also returned to my country of origin for a month to save money/drop off sentimental value things/visit family, and en route away from europe I visited Denmark to be with a friend for a week for the last time in ages]
I’d love to but all the logistics are overwhelming for me.
What logicistics are causing you issues? I stayed in the same place I was in while I was working, and all I had to do was quit my job. There’s not much to do… oh. You must be from the US? Healthcare? Good luck with that shit.
I have questions. How were you able to live for a year on 16K? Even if we disregard healthcare, that wouldn’t even cover my mortgage. Let alone food, or especially travel and fun. You Were able to afford a phone? Utilities? Did you have any extras, like streaming services? I’m guessing you have the luxury of public transportation, so I can understand no car payments or gas and maintenance costs.
Granted, I do live in the US. But I can’t imagine everything is that much more expensive here. £16K is like, $20K right now, I’d live for maybe 2 months on that.
Let’s see…
16k is about 1,300 a month. I paid about 700 for rent, and 2018 was before the current inflation wave, so 1,698.95 in today’s pound sterling, leaving me with about 600 a month
I was on calorie restrictions as part of my “get/stay in shape” , and usually ate pasta, rice, eggs and protein powder, with vegetables whenever , small amounts of cheese and condiments/hot sauce. My usual goal for food budget was £10 a day.
Other expenditures were internet, electric, water and climbing gym membership. That’s it. I think I was buying CBD vapes at the time for my anxiety as well, but that was a more occasional expense. I can’t remember how much those things were, maybe 40 for internet? I can’t remember my mobile phone plan.
No car, no subscriptions, or other recurring costs. NHS for healthcare.
$20K right now, I’d live for maybe 2 months on that.
You spend 10k a month?? I currently earn somewhere between 4-5K dollars , what do you spend that money on?
I was thinking wrong. I was going off my salary rather than my take home. After taxes, health insurance, and retirement, it’s about $6k.
$1360 for my mortgage, which is really quite good as it’s only 3.25%. Im pretty stuck in my house with current interest rates. $516 for one of my cars. $343 for one of my watches. About $300-400 for electricity in the summer, $80 for natural gas. $368 for car insurance. $168 for phones. $87 for internet. And $309 on a loan for some renovations. $30 planned parenthood donation. Typically about $40/week for gas.
Amazon prime, Disney+, Spotify, Netflix, Paramount+. Idk what else. I guess the rest is just groceries, eating out, and hobbies.
That’s just the stuff I pay from my income, my wife and I never got joint bank accounts. She takes home about 3k, and she pays for our other car, which is $327, her student loan, which is $300, and childcare which is $295/week. Plus she puts money in the savings account.
This discussion is making me think about the number of subscriptions I have, and the amount of expendable income I waste.
This discussion is making me think about the number of subscriptions I have, and the amount of expendable income I waste.
yeah, I have no idea why you’re spending 343 on a watch every month. Also, this just re-validates my perspective that a car would just ruin me financially, and would have done so my entire life.
Well, I could have just bought it. But it’s a 0% interest loan. Same thing I did with my other two luxury watches, and it’s almost done. Having a two year commitment to it definitely keeps me from looking at any more! I really like watches. It’s probably my last one for a long time, anyway. Kids are expensive. $8600 for a watch over two years is cheap compared to $15k a year just in childcare. That’s just one kid.
You can have a car for a lot less, but we have relatively new cars and I opted for a lot of insurance for my own peace of mind. If we had any public transit options, we could get by with one car for sure. But there is nothing here. There is a city bus system that primarily caters to the low income, which is a great start. But it really only goes to like, the grocery stores and the urgent cares. Nowhere near our daycare, and definitely way short of the 30 miles to my office. We also have a shuttle bus that you can call for, that’s only $3 a ride, but thats really just for the disabled and elderly. I’d say we have better transit than a lot of metropolitan cities I’ve been to, but obviously our society is completely car-centric.
Someone talked about how his company was willing to give someone a six month sabbatical to keep this other dude around but the guy didn’t take it. I was like that’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard, just take it and then leave when it’s over or whatever. And the person telling me this explained how he wasn’t like that and wouldn’t take advantage of the company. It just felt really weird. I don’t experience true jealousy often but this was one of the times I have. Companies have never treated me well like that. The idea that people would just act like a 6 month sabbatical is something normal is fucking insane. I even told him that’s crazy and I heard of and he said no, it’s something a lot of places do. It’s such an insanely privileged take to talk about it so casually.
Just to put it into perspective, the sabbatical isn’t meant to be frequent and usually you’re not meant to be paid, just have a job to go back to after. If it’s available, it’s somewhere where you’re quite senior and been working there for a long time.
For my sabbatical, I just straight up quit; I wasn’t even playing to stay in the same country after it was over.
I know, but I’m talking about someone being offered a sixonth paid sabbatical.
Know your contract. So many people get burned by what they thought they could do, or what they thought their employer couldn’t do, because they don’t know the rules of their employment. General rule of thumb: if it’s not spelled out in the contract that an employee can do a thing, the employee can’t do it. If it’s not spelled out somewhere that an employer can’t do it, you bet your ass they’re gonna try to do it.
Not fuck life. Fuck your boss
Both. Both is good.
Not my preferred way of getting promotion
But a time-honored one
This doesn’t apply in Australia. It accumulates (as does sick leave and long service leave) and if you don’t use it you will start to be asked to start taking it after a couple years.
Fake: Anon is employed
Gay: Anon gets fucked by his employer
Straight: Anon gets fucked by his employer (woman)
You’re a dumbass if you save your vacation days without inquiring if they stack.
This reminded me of another stupid person who don’t understand how work works.
If you work 6 hours, you get a 30 minute break. 5 minutes for every hour. This new hire who was on a work program as he was unemployed and didn’t study, thought that meant he had 5 minutes every hour and 30 minutes if he worked a 6 hour shift.
So for every hour he went out for a cig, gone for 5-10 minutes and sometimes 15-20. We had to go get him several times. After a few days he was handed a stern talking to, where he would argue for his understanding of the law. He called the boss a dumb bitch for not knowing how it worked. He never came in the following day.
Makes sense why he was unemployed
Pretty sure they have to give you cash for them when they expire
They do not, unless you have an employment contract that says otherwise.
Hell - here’s how fucked up it is - my SO worked in clinic that wasn’t open on holidays, but offered no holiday pay, so employees had to use the 10 or 14 vaca days they got to cover their 7 holidays, which they couldn’t have worked if they wanted to. ‘Ready, able, and willing’ is how the law is worded, for salaried employees. But these things are meaningless relics of old times when labor had some power and wasn’t just the fleshlight of the rich.
my SO worked in clinic that wasn’t open on holidays, but offered no holiday pay, so employees had to use the 10 or 14 vaca days they got to cover their 7 holidays, which they couldn’t have worked if they wanted to.
That sucks. I get 9ish holiday days/year (ish because sometimes we work New Years and get the holiday day for it the previous year) and we start at 2 weeks vacation in addition, with it going up with seniority, eventually capping out at 5 weeks. It is use it, sell it or lose it though - new vacation is granted at start of year and expires at end of year.
I actually disagree with this. Then employers can pay employees less and say “well then you should just not take time off”. It’ll make situations where people cannot afford to take their holidays. If anything, you should just have them automatically waiting in a stack at the end of the year.
Rolling them over would be better, but most full time jobs do cash out your unused PTO onto the last paycheck of the financial year. Some jobs let you roll over a limited amount, and sometimes that amount increases each year.
that’s so american brained it’s comical. no dude, in normal countries you can’t deduce benefits from the wage. “i can pay you less than minimum wage because you get tips” doesn’t happen outside of corporatistan
what are you talking about
Then employers can pay employees less and say “well then you should just not take time off”.
This is not a thing that can happen in normal countries.
Capitalists will capitalism
Idk what the criteria are, but I dont get paid for unused vacation. Idk if its a salary/hourly thing, paid/unpaid, or maybe state/country labor laws, but its not universal
Pretty sure that’s considered wage theft in all 50 states. But not surprised it happened to you, wage theft costs Americans more money than any other crime, literally billions of dollars annually. As far as I know there is no law enforcement proactively policing this stuff, anything that goes unreported goes uninvestgated and unprosecuted.
I believe my country (Canada) mandates this.
However, I’ve had employers that simply paid out your vacation pay on every paycheque, it was a pittance of like $30 if that…
So they never “accumulated” any vacation time for workers and couldn’t give any fewer shits if you took your vacation or not. They would only give a shit if you took too much time off for vacation.
Beyond that, you’re on your own.
I never took vacation.
Stinks like 'merica in here
deleted by creator
Dumb bass
