I wonder, is hatred of advertising a common thing for folks with ADHD? They take away something you are giving your attention to because it interests you, and shove some other crap in your face just to serve their own interests.
I remember being enraged at the scheduled commercial breaks in the '80s and '90s. The only benefit they had was that I always knew which segment of the show I was in and therefore roughly what time it was.
But now? It is so much damn worse and the normies just seem more OK with it than ever. I just remind myself they are living in a society that conditions them to accept it and gives them a thousand more serious things to worry about.
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I hate it because it’s an unethical practice to manipulate or mislead and all modern advertising uses dark patterns to try to get you to overconsume.
The ADHD distress is just another side effect of all that
That’s me too, an effect of Justice Sensitivity, a common trait among both ADHD and autistic people. Before I knew that I was both, I used to tell people that I was allergic to advertising, to convey my feelings about it.
Dismissing righteousness as “justice sensitivity” is absolutely tragic to me. You’re right to feel that way, don’t change. The problem is with the system, not you. Applying a medical perspective is stigmatizing and self defeating. Your reaction is real, valid, and a far more sane response to these conditions than acceptance
“it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a sick society”
I wasn’t trying to dismiss anything. Just pointing out that it’s a commonly observed trait in ADHD people. It’s a scientific perspective to notice that people with certain neurologies tend to exhibit certain behaviors more often than people with other neurologies. It’s not stigmatizing unless you are both generalizing and value judging.
It’s a dehumanizing perspective to categorize experience by “neurologies” and look for problems at an individual rather than systemic level. You don’t have “justice sensitivity”, you’re aware of overwhelming injustice. That’s a good thing. Act on it.
“Categorize experience”? That kinda sounds like that generalization I was talking about, which is not what this is here. It’s a simple matter of “people in this group have a higher likelihood of exhibiting this behavior than people of other groups”. Simple observation. It’s not saying that only people in this group exhibit it, or even that all people in this group exhibit it. Just that more do. It’s not even necessarily claiming direct causation. Maybe people in that group have experiences that make them more likely to exhibit that behavior, so that would make it environmental. But the cause is another discussion.
As for “look for problems at an individual rather than systemic level”, I’m afraid that I don’t know what you mean here. I wasn’t talking about any problems. Are you referring to the injustices themselves maybe? Because that’s a whole other discussion too. I’m talking about psychology, not politics or economics. (And while it’s not relevant, yes, I am acting on it, and far more systemically than most people.)
I didn’t mean to challenge or upset you and hope your day is going well. If you don’t know what I meant by that we’ve got quite a gap to cross and I’d rather just wish you the best and move on. I don’t like the ways that medical/psychological perspective shifts responsibility for social ills onto the individuals experiencing them and find an individual, political, or even economic (I guess) perspective far more liberating. Whatever you’re doing I hope you’re happy and it’s working for you. It’s hard to engage when you claim you aren’t generalizing while defining groupings though
I have wasted so much of my life watching adverts. I am absolutely over it and I get agitated if I watch them now. I cancel any streaming service that tries to force them on me and I am relying more and more on Plex/Jellyfin. I am not going to waste any more of my life watching marketing lies.
Combo of ADHD and living through the 2000s with Internet Explorer where ads often installed malware and viruses. If you DIDN’T use an Ad Blocker you were playing a game of Russian Roulette every time you opened a web page.
Popups, pop unders, blaring audio, malware, slow page loads…ads are a scourge.
I genuinely believe most forms of advertising on the web are ableist because they try to make them as distracting as possible. Removing those ads is accessibility.
I don’t consider ads at the start and end of videos to be ableist, but they’re still annoying. Mid video ads, pause screen ads, and banner ads are all ableist.
I’ve been wondering if ads never got more intrusive than the simple banners on the side or top of sites if there would’ve been a huge push to block them. I think most people would figure that, especially on small sites run by people instead of huge corporations, that web hosting isn’t free so a banner on a page was a fair tradeoff.
But of course that couldn’t be enough for the ad folk who started ramping things up with their flashing ads and pop-ups, eventually culminating in the autoplay video malware hellscape the net has turned into today.
I can only speak for myself, but when I first looked into ad blocking I was only looking into it because of animated ads/ads with audio. Static ads were easy enough to ignore 95% of the time, which of course is why they escalated them to be more obnoxious. So now they’re all blocked of course, they overreached and it cost them any ad views from me. I imagine I’m probably not alone in that.
Lol normies couldn’t care less about serious things, they are more worried about petty interpersonal nonsense, like how others perceive them and conspicuous consumption
Oh yeah agreed. Their role in the rat race makes up a significant part of their personal identity. That’s part of the design, to keep you focused on your consumption instead of your life.
I guess I should have referred to the noise as attention-grabbing things instead of serious things, lol.
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I’m ADHD and I fucking hate ads. They screw up my attention and are just scummy. It doesn’t help that I’m constantly cognizant of the evils that are corporations.
On the contrary, my eyes slide right off ads. They even did when I was a little kid.
Why should I care about something I’m not looking for? It’s just going to make whatever they’re advertising more expensive to buy.
Maybe that’s the autism side of AuADHD taking over, though.
The problem is malvertising and tracking. Despite Google’s best efforts, ads that deploy malware still exist, and so does ads that track what page/site you’re on to profile you.
The ad company hates ad blockers. Whoda thunk it? Also, don’t let web browser engines become a monoculture. We went through this shit with Internet Explorer. We know where this leads.
Let’s be very clear here. Chrome ripped off the hard work from the KDE webkit people. That is also the reason much of it is open source, because open source and volunteer contributions made it live.
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Ads need to be banned. They are inherently harmful, inherently deceptive, and only valuable in competition with other advertising. There is a direct line between the advertising model and the malignant politics that are destroying our world. Ban them all.
I was born in the early 90s, got non-dial up home internet access in 2003, and never ever, in the history of my time being on the internet. I have never ever, never not even once clicked on an ad on purpose. Like the Yahtzee ad thats showing right above your comment, I will never click this shit and follow it all the way up to giving my credit card info over. Why do we even have these nowadays, aside from tracking you?
There are ads on Lemmy? I’ve never seen one.
But, like so many things in this world, if you ask ‘why is this a thing?’ the answer is almost always ‘idiots exist.’ A handful of idiots DO click on ads and buy the products, download the malware, etc. It’s not much but the 30 real people lend legitimacy to the 970 ‘totally real people’ who ‘totally clicked on the ad but just didn’t buy anything’ according to the metrics, and it’s seemingly impossible to sell anything without paying rent to the marketers because it’s essentially analogous to nuclear arms; if no one had it, everyone would be happier, healthier, and safer, but if they have it and you don’t, you lose.
There are ads on Lemmy? I’ve never seen one.
That’s on their specific client.
Which I’m pretty sure I paid for too, its Sync for Lemmy.
Because some people do click it. Children, old people, tech illiterate people. The exact target market for those wanting to exploit people.
They would be banned in a world where human happiness was the priority, but we live in a world where profits is the priority. I think in 50 years, there are two scenarios. Either humanity has learned to value happiness over profits, or we live in actual dystopia, with robots patrolling against “rebels”, implants, surveillance, Ai… Entire package from sci-fi.
I mean, given the problems the world currently faces, both are fairly optimistic. 50 years is a long time now. Nuclear treaties are expiring and the people in charge of the nuclear powers don’t seem the kind to decrease their nuclear armament, or make rational decisions regarding their use. A shifting climate could (not necessarily definitely will but certainly could) destroy our ability to feed ourselves at scale, creating a world where people are too concerned about food to worry about building robots or self-actualization. Clean water sources are becoming rarer and harder to access, so people might be too focused on fighting over water to worry too much about anything else. And the fun part is none of these are mutually exclusive. We could have a future where part of the world is a glowing crater, the equator is a sun blasted hell, and the Canadians and Siberians are the only survivors, fighting each other over what’s left of the bioaccumulating-poison-laden arctic fish as they shout their battlecries, words with a meaning no one remembers anymore; ‘SORRY!’ ‘BLYAT!’
Better be. Also, fuck chrome.
I am honestly sad and sick of the sheer volume of ads, well, everywhere and in everything. Internet, tv, even in the real world you are bombarded by ads from every angle. Every time any free app or service gains traction, boom, there are ads now.
It is absolutely unavoidable, even when using adblock and similar services, and what is even worse is that this doesn’t even feel like marketing now, but just a coercion tactic to force you to subscribe to “premium”, because the ads do not really often feel like trying to sell you something but just annoy the hell out of you.
I am just so tired of it…
even in the real world you are bombarded by ads from every angle
I despise the digital billboards that now litter highways and roads that gets congested during rush hours. And especially at night when they just ignore brightness laws and blinding everyone and endangering drivers.
And gas station ads, especially ones on max volume. Obnoxious ads blaring so loud that even if you sit in your car you can still hear them.
Depending on the model of the pump, you can usually turn off the sound with one of the buttons on the right. The ones I have seen have four buttons on each side, and the second or third (or maybe bottom? I forget) button on the right will at least mute the ad. It’s worth a shot. It’s so obnoxious, it’s almost worth soaking it in gasoline.
I’m so glad all the pumps that do that shit around me have a very large ‘<- MUTE’ sticker next to that button. I’ve gotten in the habit of just mashing that button as the gas starts flowing so I don’t have to hear that bullshit.
I’ve been meaning to learn how to sabotage the pump to get the ads to not even play. It’s on the list of anarchist things to do.
Most gas stations have disabled the mute button at least in my area.
That’s when you disable the speakers, permanently
Digital billboards suck, but everyone using those obnoxious, bright-ass LED headlights is way worse.
I once slept in an apartment directly across the street from a broadway-sized LED billboard. It was a comparable experience to staring into those LED headlights. You could see it change >>through<< the blackout curtains.
Yeah, that’s pretty fucking bad. You ever watch Seinfeld? I imagine that was like the Kenny Rogers Roasters episode. 😂
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Literally though! This is literally the entire reason I got fed up with ads! What’s the point if I’m too poor to buy the junk they’re hawking?!
Who the fuck is still using Chrome?!
Oh, you know. Just 3.6 billion fucking people (73% of web users). But definitely not you and me. I’ve been on Firefox since 1.0 (2004) and switched to Librewolf a few years ago when Mozilla lost it.
While we are making recommendations use IronFox for Android. Also, blah, blah, blah, Linux better, blah blah.
Absolutely. I’m also a faithful IronFox user on my GrapheneOS devices. We’re definitely preaching to the choir here, but I feel its always good to spread the good word. I tip my Fedora to you, good sir.
I’ve been using Fennec and it’s been pretty solid as a Firefox replacement. Librewolf on my home PC and Vivaldi on the work machine.
That counts android (which never had adblock as a plugin) and or chrome based (edge, brave)?
Over my cold, dead hands. Fuck you and your shitty worldview,
Most of the time I dont see any ads on YT and I watch a lot of content there. It’s getting harder to not get ads there on all my devices but it’s doable.
But when I go see my parents, I use their smartTV to watch YT. And I realize how horrible the experience is with all the interruptions and the impossibility to just focus on what you are watching.
And yesterday I got multiple time ads for a crypto scam called Ryxero or something. The scam was using AI clones of Bernard Arnault, a french billionaire, pretending you could win 1000€ a day…
The scam also had deepfakes of news outlets pretending that people in France were “queuing to ATM” to get their money…
I think it’s absolutely unacceptable that YT let them serve crypto scams to millions in complete impunity.
I will try to report the scam to authorities. I also reported it to YT but I dont expect them to act. The 3mn long ad was paid by an american business called “EX” which I think serves their scam abroad through YT in complete impunity.
For me the scam and AI clones is obvious but how many got scammed with the complicity of YouTube ? Hundreds ?
Watching TV of any kind at other people’s homes, and especially my parents’ place, can feel like some real black mirror shit.
We find everything we need on Tubi and Mubi…
BTW you can/should install an alternative YT frontend on smart TVs, if you want to watch YT and are forced to use a smart TV. Even something semi-suitable like Pipepipe will do, but there are also frontends more suited for TV use, e.g. SmartTube
Interesting ! Thanks for the suggestion.
Although I usually have issues with third party clients all the time.
On Android for example I used the following clients so far :
- Vanced YT
- Revanced YT
- Freetube
- Newpipe
- Morphe
- Grayjay
All of them eventually failed or were down for extended durations. Point is, these third party apps are always vulnerable to YT purposefully sabotaging them.
But I will try it out anyway I don’t have much to lose.
PS : Hmmm, on Smart Tube’s Github :
My development environment was infected by unknown malicious software, as a result of which a few builds may have been affected. Once the issue was detected, I secured everything with a full disk wipe, restored a clean setup, and now all builds are scanned with VirusTotal. The F-Droid version will also be verified before release.
PS2 : My SmartTV is on WebOS, LG’s proprietary OS…
Well, yeah, the dev environment was compromised but the author restored everything and checked that it all works.
Personally I use Pipepipe and Outertube on my android phone, and just watch through a browser with adblock on my Linux phone. Although I don’t watch youtube too often, especially on my phone (maybe twice a month or so), I didn’t notice any issues with either of those methods, and never got any ads either.
I’ll be honest that’s a bit of a red flag to me. Anyone can get hacked, sure, but we don’t know what malware was shipped with the builds, we don’t know what vector the hackers used to infect the builds.
So I’m not sure I would be willing to give my YT credentials in this context.
Anyway, since I have a WebOS TV :( I guess I will have to endure the official WebOS app for now…
Is it?
I used vanilla Chrome with “Ublock lite” in someone else’s computer for a bit, and was shocked by how many ads got through, not to speak of annoyances and what I suspect was a malware link. We also got a related ad on TV soon after browsing for something.
I think Google’s having their cake and eating it. It blocks enough for users to feel like they’re getting Adblock, yet it’s not much skin off Google’s back.
Was the slider turned up all the way?
I dunno. Whatever the default was, so perhaps not?
But whatever Ublock Lite’s default is is probably what 99% of folks are using.
If you dont have an adblocker… you’re guaranteed to get that fake “Virus found” notification from a website that has bad ads.
I can’t think of a single reason why I would want or need a website to be able to send me notifications. Whomever invented that is on my time machine list, just after the guy who made webpage elements move around right before you click them.
Probably something tertiary to PWAs.
The trick is to not use chromium
If you ever use the web without an adblocker you see why people have such a hard time with it and why apps took over. It’s almost entirely unusable except for some of the data farming social media sites (which also try to funnel you to their apps).
So weird that companies waste so much time trying to find ways to stop me from stopping them from wasting my time.
Maybe they should do a study in exactly where the ad revenue comes from. I strongly suspect that people who use ad blockers, and people who potentially generate revenue from ads, are two non-intersecting sets.
Honestly, if people successfully using adblockers were a worthwhile market, we’d have seen laws against adblockers years ago.
“Chrome?” People still using this shit?
