“Unremoval of Piracy Communities” https://lemmy.world/post/6018317

This post needs to be updated to reflect the current policy.

Six months later, a new Removal of piracy communities announcement confirmed that these communities had been removed. !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, which was the most popular piracy community, is still inaccessible to lemmy.world users. This is misleading: users see the old post, sign-up, and then find out they cannot access the community.

Please edit the original post to include the new removal announcement.

  • theblurstoftimes@leminal.spaceEnglish
    81·
    6 days ago

    That’s rich coming from fedi. On pexelfed there’s a guy that takes pictures of people’s faces, cars, license plates, and homes with addresses and nothing can be done about it. I just flat out blocked this ugly looking fucker but he still shows up on my feed. You can’t report him so it dawns on me that there’s also nothing that can be done on Pixelfed or other platforms on fedi about harassment or doxxing.

    • pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
      2·
      5 days ago

      Okey you can defederate completaly this kind of illegal things.

      But for political reasons we shouldn’t do that

    • anon_8675309@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      5 days ago

      Wait what? Just random people or does he target certain people? Not that one is better or worse but this is just…. I dunno sounds like an angry person with untreated neurological issues.

      • theblurstoftimes@leminal.spaceEnglish
        2·
        5 days ago

        I’m sorry if this goes against any rules, i don’t know but on pixelfed they go by iZone and Zf@c.im he’s not doing anything wrong against users but the pics he takes are what a stalker would take.

  • pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
    5·
    6 days ago

    I didn’t mean this post would make people talk about whole federation and censorship. Looks like we really need to talk about Federation and Censorship

    • pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
      2·
      7 days ago

      so why don’t lemmy.today block them :D

      I’m suprised someone on lemmy.today says that

      • whaleross@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        6 days ago

        I’m just speculating, but maybe the owner is in a different country? Not everything is America and even the EU varies somewhat in laws and regulations. Then there is the entire rest of world. And finally different people have their individual morals and stances and what risks they are willing to take for others. Regardless I don’t see any need to bash anybody else over this. Just switch to an instance by your own preference and be done with it. If it is really that important; run an instance of your own, private or public, and deal with it yourself.

        • pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zipOPEnglish
          1·
          6 days ago

          It’s not about where is the owner it’s about where is the server and there is hundreds of instances but only lemmy.world did this.

          Just switch to an instance by your own preference and be done with it. If it is really that important; run an instance of your own, private or public, and deal with it yourself.

          Yeah I did but still this don’t justify the outdated “unremoval of Piracy communities” post they should update this

    • REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish
      11·
      6 days ago

      By law, you cannot host and distribute licensed/copyrighted content, not talk about it. Not even reddit bans piracy related subs. Pretty sure FitGirl (was that the one?) uses a subreddit as official community.

  • mesa@piefed.socialEnglish
    551·
    7 days ago

    I had no idea this was a thing. Interesting. I can see from liability why this is not something they dont want to touch, being a general purpose instance.

    I think lemmy/fediverse needs a place where if you try and subscribe to something blocked, you get a post/page explaining why they did the thing. Its going to confuse new users otherwise.

    • jqubed@lemmy.worldEnglish
      33·
      7 days ago

      IIRC when it was implemented in the first place, it seemed like lemmy.world had actually been contacted by some stakeholder with a DMCA-style request, even though the community was not actually originating on lemmy.world. Explaining how federation worked to lawyers didn’t matter much and with .world at the time becoming one of the larger and more visible instances that seemed like the best way to avoid the headaches. Initially they defederated with dbzer0 entirely before developing a way to block just the community.

      • azuth@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        223·
        7 days ago

        Considering the bullshit spewed by them to justify their ban of pro-Luigi comments, claiming they consulted a lawyer, I doubt this ever happened.

        • Cris@lemmy.worldEnglish
          7·
          7 days ago

          Is it a known thing that they were dishonest about speaking to a lawyer with that situation?

          I’ve been meaning to change instances and find a new home, if it’s known that they lied or mislead their users thats something I’d love to know more about

          • Ænima@lemmy.zipEnglish
            8·
            6 days ago

            I’ve been on a few instances. Was on lemm.ee before owner-fatigue. Joined a couple since, but lemmy.zip felt closer to my old instance than any other. Super transparent admin and one of the reasons I have a monthly donation set up. Got good quality folks here, also!

          • azuth@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            4·
            7 days ago

            They did not admit it. I don’t think anyone could have have proof they didn’t. Only the ridiculousness of their arguments.

        • LedgeDrop@lemmy.zipEnglish
          6·
          7 days ago

          Thanks for sharing.

          Have you had any issues with other, larger instances not federating with you? (just because your small, they don’t want to risk being spammed by trolls/bots/etc)

          This would be my only concern in hosting my own instance.

        • Evotech@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          7 days ago

          Much appreciated. Seems very detailed

          Just an odour question from me because I don’t know. How does federation work? Do you need to specifically federate with everyone or just those you don’t want to federate with

    • Fedditor385@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      6 days ago

      But so you can decide for others what you want to censor for them on your instance. Because I can name a few things that you would probably want ASAP removed from your instance, if someone posted such things.

      Everyone would do the same if they personally were exposed to legal liability.

    • xvertigox@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      7 days ago

      So you run your own instance and federate with other instances as you please? How are you hosting it / is it doable via docker?

      • Blaze@piefed.zipEnglish
        811·
        7 days ago

        People have had 2 years to switch to another instance. Lemmy.zip, used by OP, is nice.

        • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
          36·
          7 days ago

          Personally I think if LW wants to ban a certain kind of content, more power to them. But they should be transparent about it.

          If they’ve said they’ll unban pirate content, then pirate content should be allowed. If they want it banned, fine, but make a statement clarifying that that is the case.

          OP is doing good work by pointing this out.

          • Die4Ever@retrolemmy.comEnglish
            51·
            7 days ago

            Then they’re the same as the Reddit users who refuse to move. It’s not hard to move to a different Lemmy/PieFed instance, that’s our strength. You can export your account data and import it to your new instance so your subscriptions transfer.

              • Die4Ever@retrolemmy.comEnglish
                5·
                7 days ago

                Sure but IDK that just doesn’t seem important. That’s the same issue we had switching from Reddit to Lemmy. My Reddit posts aren’t gone and neither are my programming.dev posts, I’m here on retrolemmy.com now and I’m fine leaving my old account behind. If I need to edit an old post then I’ll open programming.dev but that doesn’t bother me.

                • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  41·
                  7 days ago

                  IDK that just doesn’t seem important.

                  I’m fine leaving my old account behind.

                  Then we have different viewpoints. I’m very much NOT ok with leaving my old account behind.

                  If AI hadn’t banned me on reddit, I’d be much happier over there. I’d have my old account, and all my post history going back 10 years. Which by this point would be more like 12 or 13 years.

                  It’s not important to you, but it’s important to me. Just because youhave an opinion doesn’t make it “the right way”. Everyone can have different opinions, and thats ok.

                  Literally 3 months after I got here, and started figuring out how the fediverse worked, I was calling for changes. Quite frankly, what I thought the fediverse was is a lot cooler than what it actually is.

                  I can post a picture here from pixelfed, but it’s no different than posting a picture from imgur.

                  So the account history is all I have to look back at.

              • Blaze@piefed.zipEnglish
                27·
                7 days ago

                People also wanted API access on Reddit in 2023, and here we are

                • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  16·
                  7 days ago

                  Reddit refused access to API, and people left reddit.

                  Lemmy.world is refusing access to the pirate instances.

                  By your logic, people should leave Lemmy.

    • Luci@lemmy.caEnglish
      4617·
      7 days ago

      Wait until I tell you about .ml

      Oh wait…. Shit, sorry.

        • Godric@lemmy.worldEnglish
          82·
          6 days ago

          As nice as those anticommercial ideals are, I generally just see shills that enjoy downplaying Russia’s invasion and justifying Iran’s mass-murdering of protesters out of .ml. Some really, really bizarre cyberstalking weirdos too.

          Might be survivorship bias because only the assholes get noticed, but .ml has a pretty shitty reputation because of them.

          • Shatur@lemmy.mlEnglish
            21·
            5 days ago

            I generally just see shills that enjoy downplaying Russia’s invasion and justifying Iran’s mass-murdering of protesters out of .ml

            From your post on YPTB https://lemmy.ml/post/43198332, I think you’re tend to misinterpret things. Even people from .world pointed it out.

        • ayyy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          21·
          6 days ago

          That wall of text could be summarized as “but what about the other guys” without addressing a single criticism.

      • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        132·
        7 days ago

        Hi, I am from an instance no one ever seems to talk about and when reading these kinds of threads I am glad I made that choice. 😁

        • Ænima@lemmy.zipEnglish
          13·
          6 days ago

          In case you aren’t aware, there is a comment chain below the first reply to your comment that adds some light-hearted teasing to your reply. Nothing but love for our German lemmings! ❤️

        • HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth
          82·
          7 days ago

          To be fair to others less knowledgeable, I’ve seen first hand someone admitting they joined .ml because it was the first/largest server they learned about, not knowing it was a marxist-leninist joint, and they were asking how to transfer their account up on outta there. That was a fun thread lol

          My point is, just like we can’t judge people based on their national origin, we shouldn’t judge people from their home instance. But as a general rule, yeah .ml reeks lol

          • FundMECFS@anarchist.nexusEnglish
            32·
            7 days ago

            I agree but think its also different depending on context.

            Like if someone has thousands of contributions and their account is 6 months + old. Hell yeah I can judge them on the instance they use. Because they have had plenty of time and opportunity to learn and change.

            A new user on the otherhand. I won’t.

            I myself have both a defunct world and ML account from a long time ago when I first joined the threadiverse.

      • FundMECFS@anarchist.nexusEnglish
        6·
        7 days ago

        My flair on that account from presumably another thread is “neoliberal troll”

        So I think it’s just bait.

        • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          7 days ago

          As I am a Lemmy n00b, can you direct me on what to do to be able to flair users? I like most of the Lemmy method of things, but as an old.reddit user using RES… I’m finding the options a little limited over here so far. :)

          • FundMECFS@anarchist.nexusEnglish
            3·
            6 days ago

            I use the voyager front end which lets me flare users. I believe you can also do this natively on the piefed default frontend (my instance is piefed). I’m not sure it’s possible on lemmy.

          • Ænima@lemmy.zipEnglish
            31·
            6 days ago

            For you and @Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world, if flair, in this case, is similar to tagging users in other clients, it’s a setting and feature set of clients like Voyager. You can tag users by going to their profile, selecting the three dots or whatever to get things like block user, and selecting tag. You can even change the vote total for them if you enable the setting to track vote totals for accounts.

            I personally only modify the votes for accounts that I negatively tag. A super negative total is dark red and stands out!