A little maybe, but not much.
I’ve seen people say they left reddit to join Lemmy because of the toxic users. To each their own, but I personally think Lemmings aren’t much better. Some people over here can’t understand that sensitive questions can be asked without bad intent. People are way too defensive about their opinions.
It is disappointing, but it’s the better option.
The Lemmy userbase is human, which is more than I can say of Reddit’s.
lemmy world that you are on is full of influence agents, many of which are bots/chatbots, I noticed them pumping up support for the Iran war.
There’s a dozen or so that post constant propaganda against countries that don’t conform to US interests. Their approach is so similar that it’s hard to believe there isn’t something that links the accounts.
This type of behaviour is discoverable. There are probably much more subtle campaigns ongoing too. I’m undecided as to whether it is just the efforts of some ‘centrist’ zealots or there are some actual spooks in here.
There’s also a certain type of person that just… posts that shit. I’m not saying they’re bots or not bots or any damn thing, because there’s tons of bot spam anyway, but I think you’re underestimating how intensely shit some people’s meme game is
I feel like the “hilarious chaos” instance was (is? iirc .world defederated from them so idk if they’re still around) like that. They were already starting from behind with such a try-hard name, and then most of their posts were Facebook-level crap. I ran into them a lot browsing all top-hour, and my impression was that the posters were trying but had a… less refined palate than the average Lemmy user.
It’s both. The government pays for this type of thing. It’s not just me that noticed it either. With chatbots it’s never been cheaper to run these either, and apparently they do bother with little old lemmy, although it’s nothing like reddit which is owned by them and corporate influence ops.
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Oh don’t forget the tankies pushing russian (and chinese) propaganda. I can never tell are they bots or useful idiots, but I always know when I hit the nail in the head when I criticize russian propaganda and get a lot of downvotes
Yea, I’m grateful for that. But the humans are pretty awful too sometimes.
I just blocked one of those right in this post. Idk if you can see his comment anymore. His username was something like fisting lover.
FYI, when you block someone on the Fediverse you simply stop being able to see their comments and posts. They can still see and interact with anything you post.
Ok. Did you misspell FYI, or is this something new?
Oh you’re right I did.
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I don’t know why one would expect Lemmy to be different when it’s entire userbase consists of ex-redditors.
I don’t think there’s much difference between platforms. Everyone is performing to either get pats on the back or to stirr up something. The moment everyone around you seems nice is when you’ve entered the echo chamber.
it can be if you’re using your block list effectively. There’s a bubble of really chill people that have seperated themselves off from all the debate lords and with a platform this small you’ll find them pretty easy.
Just block any 3 instances of your choice, 20 of the most active accounts that specifically annoy you, and maybe all the porn comms (it’s mid anyway). You’ll be left with a feed that’s to your liking and nice comment sections
Because people who decide to leave something shitty are predisposed to wanting something better?
it’s entire userbase consists of ex-redditors.
I don’t know that there’s any decisive proof of that. There’s no reason people haven’t come from other social networks as well.
I accidentally posted a link to some right wing borderline racist article which sounded sensible on first skim reading it. Commentators noted this. I apologized for not reading it carefully or noticing the other associated articles and the other Lemmy users were understanding. Just my experience but I think a nicer atmosphere prevails.
I dont know. Not that Lemmy users are necessarily great all the time, but Reddit has decayed to the point that its barely better than a generic Facebook feed.
Yeah, my feed was pretty awful when I left reddit. Too many reposts.
Lemmy is better on that aspect.
But I feel that it should be possible for me to ask questions I couldn’t ask anywhere else without people jumping on me with their accusations
Like what question do people jump on you for on lemmy here?
Personally I don’t take that much offense, if someone is rude to me I give it back to them, or ignore them. It’s anonymous online communication so you have to expect getting flak.
Well, I asked the question : ‘Do you think strict 2 child policy be a thing?’ Mind you, I didn’t even say it should be. The only reason I asked that is because I wonder if it would become necessary in the future. And some guy accused me of wanting to control women and all that.
I hope you can see where, in the current political climate, questions like “Should 2-child policy be a thing?” “Should transgenders use the gender assigned at birth?” or “Should immigrants be immediately returned to their country of origin?” might seem disingenuous to the populations affected by those very real policy proposals.
Immediately proving their point with incendiary questions that aren’t really comparable
You asked if people should be forced to live a certain way and were surprised that you got a vitriolic response??? In this political climate??? Maybe know your audience a little better.
In this political climate???
I was online a decade before “Eternal September” started and having to check the “political climate” before making a post wasn’t a thing until sometime in the last 8 years or so.
This kind gatekeeping has had horrible consequences for the culture of the internet.
I grew up with lesbian parents in the south in the 90s. Checking the political climate is all I have ever done my entire life, internet or not. I don’t agree that there has ever been a time when that wasn’t a requirement online or offline.
Like for real? Obama’s tan suit happened 12 years ago and you think the Internet has only been politicized for 8? You must have managed to avoid pretty much all social media before Facebook, which is weird because Eternal September happened in the 90s and came from Usenet which has been political since the 80s.
and you think the Internet has only been politicized for 8?
I didn’t say the internet wasn’t politicized. I said that having to “check the political climate” before making a post, i.e. self censoring, is new(ish). You gonna tell me that you never posted online that having lesbian parents is okay before it became accepted to do so? I’ll bet you did and I’ll bet you did it more than once.
This idea that posts running counter to the current cultural / political climate shouldn’t be made is pure horseshit. Usenet was stuffed to the gills with counter culture of all kinds, it was expected and accepted. Yes there were epic flame wars but that’s because people didn’t self censor an unpopular opinion because of the “current political climate”. I was there.
Online discourse is a pale shadow of what it once was and I put the blame squarely on the rise of this idea that people should self-censor in order to avoid giving offense. Fuck that and fuck people who believe that’s how it should be.
Edit: One Usenet if a user really REALLY couldn’t stomach what another user was spouting then they put 'em in the kill file. That’s what “plonk” meant.
You poor little baby. Maybe you can pay someone for a hug or something
Hey that was a good idea. I swung by your house and got a few hugs from your mom. Thanks!
Religious people were apeshit about china’s two child policy. They hated it. I don’t doubt you got some flak bringing it up, but it’s also an issue of the government telling people what they can and can’t do, which may be where more of these people are coming from.
One thing is certain, there is zero chance of it happening in the US anytime soon, because of the religious people.
but it’s also an issue of the government telling people what they can and can’t do…
There’s a strong segment of Lemmy, perhaps even a majority, who have absolutely no problem with a government telling people what they can and can’t do. The only thing these people disagree on is the details.
Given the decline in birth rates, I don’t know why you’d think it’d be necessary tbh.
You should check out one or two talks by Hans Rosling, the Scandinavian statistics prof/king. Very interesting correlations between quality of life/healthcare and family size, and he makes the info digestible for a wide audience.
Also, I would advise you generously block anyone who proves to you that they are not interested in discussing, but only in… let’s say shouting.
I know what you mean…
those reposts are by AI bots, or spammers looking to warm up thier accounts. i see alot of people complain on those subs, but it usually fall on deaf ears most of the time, by mods, and certainly admins dont do anything about it, because its more advertisement potential for them. but they are quick to target accounts that arnt benefiting them.
reddits is dead internet theory come true, mostly run by propaganda bots(russia, israel, and PALINTIR). OF spammers, link/url.ad spammers. FACEBOOK is what reddit will become eventually.
Reddit has decayed to the point that its barely better than a generic Facebook feed.
That is certainly not the case for a well-curated personal feed.
My feeling is that if your feed is shitty, you can look in the mirror at the one who curated it.
Reddit has a perverse incentive to keep the user base frothing for engagement
There is no such incentive on Lemmy. We are toxic because we choose to be. All natural, free range, grassroots haters
I think you’re missing the point.
People are people everywhere you go. Nowhere is free of people unless you want to be by yourself.
Lemmy and the Fediverse is not about only being around people that are exactly perfect for you to associate with.
It’s about not giving your thoughts, your mental energy, and your time to build an empire for someone else to profit off of.
I have often wondered about it. I mean people are people. So why should it be? That you and I should get along so awfully?
Okay, so we’re different colors and we’re different creeds and different people have different needs.
It’s obvious you hate me though I’ve done nothing wrong. I’ve never even met you, so what could I have done?
I can’t understand. What makes a man.
the point is lemmy is ours, not some psycho billionaire’s.
Ik. Ik. I like that.
I was talking about the userbase.
Still love Lemmy. Despite its flaws, It’s still the best one out there.
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ffs, Lemmy’s strength is in it’s decentralised non corpo design, not that we users are a better quality of human. It went from Usenet, to the centralised shitiness of Reddit back to a decentralised system in Lemmy/Piefed more akin to Usenet
but, I’d also argue just by being here you’re a better person.
but, I’d also argue just by being here you’re a better person
Look, Lemmy is a little better than other social media. But, that’s taking it a bit too far. What social media a person uses says very little about their morals.
What social media a person uses says very little about their morals.
Yes. Obviously their choices of operating systems and text editors are the largest factors.
Lol
Yeah even without ads or profit incentives we still haven’t solved the social problems of social media, let alone the ethical problems in the hearts of people
Idk I kinda like it here. Everybody uses linux in this place.
I’m doing my part!
PSA: you can block users. Don’t be afraid to do it. There’s nothing you can say that will convince flat earthers or similar stupid people.
I blocked myself so if I make any spelling misteaks I can’t see the comment.
*speling
*beef
yup. people need to use block. I swear some people have this thing against it but they have no problem people subscribing to things and only viewing subscrived. Thats like blocking every community your not subscribed to. Its two sides of the same coin.
So far I’m having a lovely experience
It’s much calmer
Haven’t been there meaningfully in years, but when I was there regularly if I logged in and saw I had a bunch of new comments I’d have a mini panic attack. Did I say something clever or something stupid and get eviscerated?
I rarely get the number of comments here that I got there, but when I do get them they’re almost never toxic like the ones I got at reddit were, even when they are critical or disagreeing.
…I do still get a mini panic attack when I see I have a bunch of unread comments though. It’s less intense though as Lemmy seems to be slowly curing me of that reaction.
Same! Seeing replies on Reddit was always a coin flip. Are people happy or angry? Do I even want to click and find out?
Lemmy doesn’t dogpile the way Reddit did. I’m not anxious about people disagreeing with me on here, because even if they do, they’re more civil about it. They’ll bring up points to disagree on, which is fair and adds to discussion. Meanwhile on Reddit, you’ll more likely get ad hominem attacks that contribute nothing meaningful and seemingly only serve to make people feel bad for posting/commenting in the first place.
Lemmy doesn’t dogpile the way Reddit did.
It does. A bunch of us just happen to agree a lot more and the entire place is much smaller, so it doesn’t come up as often. It’s human psychology, people do this by default. Call me a cynic but there’s no place or case on Earth where that doesn’t happen in one way or another and it damn sure does here.
The coin flip was the reason I left Reddit more than anything else. I started noticing some irate comments for simple opinion stuff. Then one comment I made got a huge reaction of ‘that never happened, you fucking suck, kill yourself,’ in a much longer form. I was so flabbergasted that I finally gave up on Reddit in that moment. Twelve years of happily using that site slowly fell apart over the course of a few months.
If there’s a dogpile here, it usually just earns the user a -25 score on the comment and many blocks, usually just one or two comments push back, which can spiral out into a chain of dozens of replies, and a ban only if the user keeps being obnoxious or clearly breaks rules.
As an example, look at this political comment I made the other day, the first level replies were of sound quality, then in the second level someone decides to be the grammar police and immediately the nested conversation turns to a squabble that’s irrelevant, stupid, and not worth reading. Only the first level replies reach my inbox. My point is that good quality contributions get mostly decent quality comments back (including both praise and constructive criticism), while ragebait and flamebait begets a flame war.
There’s always going to be sad people who thrive on messing with others. I don’t think any social platform can avoid this problem, but it’s good that you’re finding a way to moderate your reaction.
I love it when I have a bunch of notifications, dopamine hit!
I’m agreeing more with this every day. Just yesterday some guy made fun of a genuine and reasonable concern I had then made of me again sandwiching in an “apology”, and when I told them it still seemed they were making light of it, they flipped the fuck out and told me I would die alone among other completely unnecessary and inappropriate insults.
I mean, I get overreacting sometimes, but it kinda feels like some days half the people you interact with are either actively shit humans or are having the worst day of their lives. I wish you could feel at least safe enough to challenge a viewpoint without some dickhead coming for your jugular. It’s pretty pathetic and I’ve gone through several rounds of wondering if I want to be here or not. I’ve definitely had to block a lot of people in order to stay.
I have been called a Nazi and zionist for literally no reason. Once I responded to a comment from someone saying Nazis aren’t human to say “I hate the things they believe and do, and I think they should be punished harshly for their crimes, but they are still indeed human”. You would’ve thought I said “Nazis just have an opinion and do nothing wrong,” which of course I was not even slightly hinting at or thinking. I was told I was a Nazi sympathizer who should kill himself. Then the zionist accusations will come at the drop of a hat. I literally think Israel is evil yet if I say something as innocuous as “trump is hurting Gaza even more than any Democrat” that makes me a “sHiTlIb zIoNiSt”. I’m probably in the left-most 15% in the US. And yeah I know that’s not saying much globally but how about we understand that people live in a context and you cannot scream them into being on the exact same page as your own personal politics? People can be so self righteous it’s painful to think about. It’s really taxing to my mental health when I think “this space where I relate to people more than anywhere else on the Internet is also full of people who will wish death or suffering on me if I mention one thing they don’t like.”
Yeah just block em dude. I enjoy your comments. Including this one.
There’s a fair percentage of people I’d say are mentally ill or at least like you say… Seem to be constantly experiencing the worst day of their lives here. I just block them and move on with life - I’m not their therapist.
My experience of Lemmy after blocking just 40 or so users, (and shit communities that I don’t want to see posts from) has changed greatly for the positive. Don’t let them drag you down, there’s plenty of room here for reasonable opinions.
Thank you for this, good to know people enjoy my input on occasion! I have increased my quickness to block. Which sucks in a way because I do want to see even bad opinions (as long as they aren’t heinous), but I cannot be raged at by these kinds of users so often.
I’m beginning to think half of these people are foreign bad actors, come across from Reddit et al ironically enough.
They’re my only complaint with this place. They’re so irrational you have to wonder how they get by daily and the conversations are always pushed the same way; once the accusations of Zionism and genocide supporter run out of steam, they move to attempting quotes you never made or deliberate attempts to confuse the conversation.
For the genuine ones among them, I think there’s a bit of cope because they’ve realised they’ve been played at the top political level and used, now their ego won’t let them admit that.
They’re not worth engaging with. These are at an honest level, pedophile and genocide enablers and at the dishonest one, bad actors working for the interests they project. I think that’s a lesson a few of us need to learn here.
I feel much the same way. In the past 48 hours I have been called a pro-genocide fascist and Blue MAGA, amongst other similar things, for 1. making a comment about the aggressive behavior of Grad users and how similar it can be to 4chan users aka those who fell into the MAGA pipeline, and 2. explaining to somebody why somebody else asked them who they voted for when they made a comment to the extent of “both sides support genocide.”
I came here to find a new egg_irl and traaaa, and what I’ve gotten is politics and leftist infighting.
You’re a decent reasonable person.
A lot of lemmy users, especially the .ml nutjobs, think that makes you a horrible person. They are extremists and only support other people who support their extremist views, including the use of violence towards those who don’t agree with their political opinions.
Is there a reason why an instance with so many people has the most dikheads?
Yes, because the instance(s) themselves are there to promote their beliefs and serve as safe havens for them. Just like the one you are on is about promoting books and writers. But they come into generalist instances and act like dickheads because they can’t help themselves, and/or unsuspecting folks post in their instances and they lose their minds.
Thanks. Yeah, that’s what I gather too.
Some people just need the first stupid loser saying stupid shit to be verbose and pompous. They wouldn’t mind if he was wrong, they’d join in to attack you
Yeah, I have thought that too. Often I will get several downvotes on something I think is pretty benign, and many of them tend to show up after some asshole is rude/insulting about that benign viewpoint.
I disagree, Karl. Zionists are out of effing control on reddit today, and they pollute threads with denials of whats clearly shown in the news, or else make wild claims without evidence.
You are of course, wle come to your opinion, but what you are saying makes no sense to me.
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How do we know you aren’t a Zionist?
you can read my comment stream and its pretty obvious.
sounds like something a zionist would say.
Whereas on Lemmy antisemitism is widespread.
Your calling anti zionist stuff “antisemitic” is the real lie here, you just wont admit it because you’re a propogandist liar.
Antizionism and antisemitism aren’t the same but one masks as the other all the time.
Cut the shit.
I hate the government of Israel and those in it that are fine with their warmongering, genocidal ways. If you don’t fall under that camp, you’re generally alright. Just like with Russia, China, even the USA. It’s not anti-semitism, that’s what the neo-nazis do.
Antisemitism exists across the political spectrum.
Not true for me.
I made a joke, and someone got upset. I explained that I didn’t mean it seriously and apologized. Then they told me they were in a bad mood and apologized for their reaction.
