I heard about the whole AI moderation thing and I’m trying to move to a new fedispace.
Back then I registered on KBin instead of Lemmy before I moved here on MBin because the KBin instance had issues. Didn’t care for the UI but the reason why I did that is because of whatever the hell Lemmy devs are heading to
Staff-wise yes but user count-wise no
Might wanna consider the admins response first:
- https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/42252997/20359964
- https://lem.lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/42212552/20347120
tl;dr: There is no AI moderation, the mod team built a tool to more conveniently get a user history in case a user needed some investigating based off reports they got. They tried a couple times to ingest what the tool returned into a local LLM for a summary but found in overall lacking. In one instance the local LLM’s finding matched what the mods had already found manually and seeing how the summary was concise just posted that.
This is not a problem of the lemmy software, this could as well happened on any fediverse instance. Your posts, your DMs, everything you do on the fediverse is federated and can therefore be seen by the instances it’s federated with.
But why even move, this is the fediverse, make accounts wherever you want and use them at the same time? I use this account for wider posting and have a hexbear as well as lemmy.ml account for local posting (although I sometimes confuse this account with the .ml account).
I can’t open the first link for some reason. But I also found this post to be useful: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/59687224
Yeah they lost the plot and just deleted the thread…
Here is the comment from db0 originally
Another hit piece from rimu against /0. Must be a day that ends with -y…
EDIT: Here’s rimu admitting that this is all based on a single modlog and him just making assumptions based on that and that alone.
Here’s the series of events as I understand it
- Rimu sees a two-week-old public modlog entry from unruffled banning a zionist as per our instance rules.
- Rimu visits the public evidence linked and discovers that it’s a dump of the comments of said zionist, and it includes an LLM summary of those
- Rimu sees the FAF logo on the pastebin. Rimu assumes that even though it’s clearly not a FAF domain, since it has the FAF logo, it’s an official FAF tool. This is false.
- Rimu sees the LLM summmary and assumes that the banning happened due to the LLM summary. This is false
- Rimu assumes that the tool that gathered these comments is automated. This is false
- Rimu assumes that because it looks like an official tool, and despite the fact that he can only find a single modlog entry, all of the instance admins are regularly using it. This is false.
- Rimu concludes that the instance is using an automated LLM judgement mechanism for instance moderation. This is egregiously false
- Rimu does not reach out to any of our instance admins for clarification, even though we exist in the same instance-cooperation matrix channels. Even though our instance admins explicitly reached out to him earlier this month and asked to contact them for any questions/cooperation in order to avoid further drama and escalations. Note that there’s a reason why journalists ask for comments before publishing information.
- Rimu doesn’t do any other due diligence.
- Rimu rushes to publish with a cross-post to mastodon, because he knows the knee-jerk GenAI-hate there is much stronger than on threadiverse.
- When called on any of the false and misleading statements he’s made by multiple people in the comments, Rimu completely ignores everyone countering him and all arguments, not to mention being so confused he doesn’t even know if he’s talking about mods or admins.
I’ll leave the fact of why Rimu was randomly going through 2-week old modlogs of banned zionists as an interesting open-ended question.
Nothing against Mbin, but how would it help with the AI moderation issue? From what I understand about the AI moderation, it was a group of mods that sent a user’s history into a model for analysis. That will still be possible with Mbin, and anywhere else
I have an Mbin account I don’t really use, because I prefer Piefed features (personal feed similar to multireddits, comments consolidation) compared to Mbin (microblogging support).
It’s really a personal decision.
Mbin, PieFed, Lemmy… They’re all part of the same federated network. If an admin or mod of some server does something you don’t approve of, you block their instance and jog on.
Well, I’m not an admin of nothing.
I like it but I don’t really have much of anything to compare it to. I chose it because I can easily delineate my lemmyverse stuff from my mastodon stuff but view both in one place. That’s about the best I can say about it.
It’s better than Lemmy because it’s compatible with all fediverse services, at least all of the ones I’ve tried
I went lemmy (very early, still with auto-refresh, etc.) for a very short time due to hating it to kbin, later mbin, and now piefed. I’m not sure if I like piefed better. I don’t care about mastodon or other similar platforms so that may change your decision.
I love Mbin, but it’s no alternative for your use case. That AI moderation will keep affecting you as long as you interact with those affected communities, no matter which software you use yourself.
I mostly like the Mbin UI better than the Lemmy UI and Piefed UI. It certainly looks better IMHO. There are a few annoying bugs in Mbin where images are sometimes not shown, or gifs are shown as static images. Not often, but it happens occasionally.
I tried out mbin via fedia.io for a while because it was one of the few Fedi microblog instances that wasn’t blocking Threads, because I wanted to get updates directly from USMLR league and teams, but that didn’t really an out (half the teams weren’t on Threads and of the accounts that were none had enabled the Fediverse compatibility). So I haven’t really continued on with that account.
I liked kbin a lot because earnest was pretty prolific with improvements. mbin felt a bit like maintenance mode. I went to piefed because it seemed to be very active with improved tools for the user and such.
I’ll give you my number one reason for why I stuck with kbin and mbin since the beginning. They have the best hot sort. It emulates Reddit much better than the other ways of sorting. I have fedia set up with pages, no unlimited doomscrolling, and large thumbnails so I can quickly peruse anime porn.
People don’t talk about this enough, Lemmy’s “Hot” sort is kinda garbage lol. It leans too heavily towards new posts. Same thing with sorting comments by Hot. “Active” is more in-line with what Reddit users expect, or something like Top 6 Hours. I haven’t tested Mbin’s “Hot” much.
I remember a user on Reddit saying that Lemmy is dead because they looked at All+Hot and saw very few comments. On Lemmy right now I go to All+Hot and the front page posts mostly have 0 to 3 comments. All+Active is showing mostly posts with 50 to 200 comments. All+Top 6 Hours mostly has 5 to ~30 comments.
I agree.
Compare https://lemmy.world/?dataType=Post&listingType=All&sort=Hot with https://piefed.social/home/hot/all for example.
Do you think it would make sense renaming
ActivetoHotand vice versa?I think maybe it would be better to just tweak the Hot algorithm slightly. Maybe either adjust the curve, or use
max(age, 1 hour)in the calculation so that new content is not favored quite as hard, aka new content is scored as if it were an hour old.But you could make a dedicated discussion post asking about this, so more people can see
I asked @dessalines@lemmy.ml about this as he is more familiar with the ranking algos:
Maybe not renaming active, but possibly renaming hot… but IMO they’re fine. Its just different from reddit, and more like the hackernews algorithm: join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html#hacker-news . It’s more new-focused to prevent the main problem of reddits which is rewarding first posts / comments, regardless of their quality
Oh no, what are these anime communities so I can make sure to avoid them?
After being used to mbin (and previously kbin), I can’t stand lemmy. Better layout, little bit better visibility into activity, reasonable federation/defederation choices with other instances, etc.
Just try it out for a while.
Honestly it just looks a bit different. Same community and people (one of the benefits of the fediverse). I remember it was a fork of another project (I want to say Kbin but im not sure).
More, as you have access to Mastodon/Misskey/Akkoma/etc. users too
Yes, it was /kbin. I liked it there.
Yeah, it’s KBin.
