download firefox

look inside

80% of mozilla revenue is from google

You can’t escape

Nah

Three if you count Webkit/Safari

Pfft. I’m going back to the og Netscape Navigator 😎

It feels very weird to say but

I think maybe

the world was better when Trident existed??

Safari

Why even make a desktop app at this point? I get doing that if it has some inherent advantage over the web version, but why go through the trouble of making another program if it’s just gonna be the same but in electron?

Why I dislike web apps. They make the devs lazy enough to not bother making a native app

Vivaldi contains Chromium, but it isn’t itself open-source, by the way.

They say of themselves that “for all practical purposes the Vivaldi source code is available for audit”. I would not fully agree with that either, but I guess, at that point the open-source purists have already lost interest anyways.

https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/privacy/is-vivaldi-open-source/

It’s still the same rendering engine. There are two browsers.

Is there a mobile Vivaldi counterpart? It doesn’t make sense for me that I can’t share history with desktop and mobile together

I tried Vivaldi, it’s a good browser but I prefer Brave because it has build it Tor. In my country most torrent sites are blocked so a built-in Tor is useful to me, it can open those sites without VPN.

It’s possible. But it’s a huge undertaking. If you just wanted to fully understand all of the specifications for HTTP, JavaScript and CSS, it’d take you days before having written a single line of code.

Then you need to write all that in a performant way.

Then you need to keep up with all the new features.

Then you need to keep up with all the new security threats.

Browsers nowadays are practically little operating systems. So the question is not that far off from asking what prevents you from writing an alternative to Windows.

You can. But it’ll cost millions, or maybe billions, to build something good.

Probably the fact that you could work for the rest of your life and never catch up to the current spec. It’s enormous, and they’re adding more things faster than you could ever keep up with.

Even MS couldn’t be bothered any more, and that’s a $3 trillion business.

Which is why there’s only three browser engines in any kind of use.

Because they’re giant applications that do a lot under the hood that you don’t see. Of course you can write your own, we did that during my degree but it was extremely basic.

a program like any other that just needs to be able to access each websites’ server and display its files right?

In software engineering “just” is often considered a dirty word.

Rendering HTML and CSS correctly is not trivial.

Doing JavaScript to spec also is not trivial.

Doing all your http verb network request stuff is also not trivial.

Plus the interface (probably graphical) is a lot of work.

There’s also probably a thousand other things that would eat up time. Displaying all the different image formats, for example.

The main thing is technical nuances, and a never ending list of them.

But you could start with something like lynx or elinks, but at that point you may as well just use lynx or elinks.

Time and knowledge. Browsers are basically almost an OS nowadays in capabilities. Yes you can build a basic HTML renderer quickly. But anything beyond that just takes a enormous amount of effort and time especially if you want to make it performant and secure. Like it’s very easy to accidentally introduce a vulnerability that can be exploited by someone. Like the last few generations of Nintendo consoles were hacked and jailbroken trough the browser. And that’s a browser build with WebKit by a team of engineers. Good luck doing it on your own, especially without Chromium or WebKit.

That’s what Ladybird is trying to do.

Plenty of alternative to Chromium already exist, not all good.

The only ones I know of are Ladybird and Verso, and they’re still far from being usable

Vivaldi is chromium

I haven’t checked out Vivaldi in a long time due to the distaste of what happened to Opera and I did not see any of Opera in Vivaldi. Has Vivaldi captured the magic that was Opera 12.04 yet?

I shall not stoop so low as to using a browser named ““floorp””.

why floorp??

Not even an option.

So Firefox, Chromium, or closed-source components…

tabs within tabs

I use the Firefox “Tab Groups” Extension to get a similar result and I have to agree, it is so nice to keep order

I prefer the Firefox “Tab Groups” Feature actually because I feel it’s more comfortable / has a more clear separation AND:

It automatically freezes tabs and integrates with containers (kind of like browser profiles on Chromium but in the same Window)

So, you haven’t used the “Dark Reader” extension on Firefox. It has “automatic”, “scheduled”, “system default” options. Also you can disable or enable dark mode for specific websites.

Dark Reader can do this, though it requires a little bit of tinkering. First you need to tick “Enable on restricted pages” in the Advanced section of Dark Readers settings (in the old design the settings can be found under “More > All Settings”). Then in about:config, all entries in extensions.webextensions.restrictedDomains need to be removed and privacy.resistFingerprinting.block_mozAddonManager needs to be set to “true”. If some of this doesn’t work, there’s also a GitHub Discussion with different solutions, but what I wrote here should do the trick.